Current Events > UK brexit minister: 'I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this'

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"I hadnt quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing"

damn

that's reminds me of "nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated"

what a world we are living in

article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46142188
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but i thort brexit woz jus kikin out da foriners??
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So? The dude apparently voted against it. Doesnt change the fact the majority of people are pro brexit.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit
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solosnake posted...

Doesnt change the fact the majority of people are pro brexit.

You don't know that.
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what the fuck is a Shadow Brexit
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This isn't surprising at all from the research and opinions I've read about it. Basically you had a rag tag group aligned from the far left to far right that wanted to do something dramatic to push back against what they perceived as a weakness without any real plan of how to get that done. So the people on the far right and far left were never going to come to an agreement on specifics of Brexit as there's multiple groups that all want different things. It's why basically all the "leaders" of it have seen their popularity tank as nothing gets done and its dragging May down as well.
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The government needs to swallow its pride and have a new referendum because voters and politicians alike clearly were ignorant to all of the details. They could frame it differently to not look like dictators and give people multiple choices to rank. "Brexit by any means", "remain", "Brexit with a deal only"...
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Joenage posted...

but i thort brexit woz jus kikin out da foriners??

lol

some people hate foreigners so much theyre willing to do self harm with brexit

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The government needs to swallow its pride and have a new referendum because voters and politicians alike clearly were ignorant to all of the details. They could frame it differently to not look like dictators and give people multiple choices to rank. "Brexit by any means", "remain", "Brexit with a deal only"...

as much as i hate brexit, im not sure a second vote is the right way to go
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Brexit in a nutshell
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I don't fancy another referendum, why should I trust the same people who got us into this mess again?

Just cancel it.
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They once ruled an empire... now they can't figure out how to run their own country by themselves. Smh
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Oatcakes posted...

I don't fancy another referendum, why should I trust the same people who got us into this mess again?

Just cancel it.

also it feels like lets have another vote because we didnt like the outcome of the first one

ideally it would be great to have politicians realise that brexit is a symptom of poor policy decisions by conservatives and a decade of austerity

people dont really want to leave the EU but just want a better funded NHS, more school places, an actual real time wage increase, affordable housing, etc that has unfortunately been blamed on immigrants by the right wing press
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As stupid as I find Brexit, the Dover calais agreement predates the EU and France have already said they will uphold it.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The government needs to swallow its pride and have a new referendum because voters and politicians alike clearly were ignorant to all of the details. They could frame it differently to not look like dictators and give people multiple choices to rank. "Brexit by any means", "remain", "Brexit with a deal only"...

Why should Europe recognize that? The UK had a practical sweetheart deal in the EU, they still bitched about it nonstop, held a referendum that they were told would mean they would be out if they voted for it, still voted for it, and now whoops they aren't getting a good deal and want it undone?

The EU should just say they're out full stop and force them to negotiate from a position of extreme weakness now where they're forced to concede on every issue almost entirely. Either that or rejoin without their previous exceptions like having a separate currency.

Elections have consequences, and the British made a generational fuckup. Good job, enjoy the mess of your own making. Would other countries remotely accept it if the US came out of 2020 acting like the Trump administration never happened? Nope, we fucked up and will have hell to pay.
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solosnake posted...

So? The dude apparently voted against it. Doesnt change the fact the majority of people are pro brexit.

Get the fuck out of town

Do you know how close the vote was

and how many people have expressed they've changed their mind since

This is a prime example of "old man yells at clouds" only its more like "old man tears burns down house because he doesn't like the curtains"
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rikasa posted...

what the fuck is a Shadow Brexit

The UK has a "Shadow Cabinet" for the opposition. They follow the government's work and criticize it as appropriate. The Shadow Brexit Minister is a mirror of the government's Brexit Minister.
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solosnake posted...

So? The dude apparently voted against it. Doesnt change the fact the majority of people are pro brexit.

it seems only 50+ year old people did

i remember reading about the age of those who voted

most of those between 18-50 voted to remain
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marc55 posted...

it seems only 50+ year old people did

i remember reading about the age of those who voted

most of those between 18-50 voted to remain

i only know 3 people who voted exit, and they were over 40

but then again i live in london which is v strongly remain
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Oatcakes posted...

I don't fancy another referendum, why should I trust the same people who got us into this mess again?

Just cancel it.

I agree, but it seems less "democratic", which doesn't really bother me ethically here because I feel like it happens to be in the best interests of the country, but that's a slippery slope... I'm just pissed it passed because of fuckery like my passport losing a lot of weight and stuff like people in my family being from different EU countries and now they're like "uhh... thanks for that" and not sure what their future will hold.
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Brexit.

The people who gave it to us resigned/fled
Those leading it admit they didn't know what it would mean or were against it to begin with
Those who campaigned for admit they lied

Good times.
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Parappa09 posted...

"I hadnt quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing"

damn

that's reminds me of "nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated"

what a world we are living in

article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46142188

How did brits ever conquer the world? They seem so... incompetent now

Brexit happened because old people think we still can.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Oatcakes posted...

I don't fancy another referendum, why should I trust the same people who got us into this mess again?

Just cancel it.

I agree, but it seems less "democratic", which doesn't really bother me ethically here because I feel like it happens to be in the best interests of the country, but that's a slippery slope... I'm just pissed it passed because of fuckery like my passport losing a lot of weight and stuff like people in my family being from different EU countries and now they're like "uhh... thanks for that" and not sure what their future will hold.

My gf is an EU mainlander, currently trying to buy a house together but no idea what's going to happen regarding her right to remain etc.

Looking forward to dealing with it.
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The entire Brexit fiasco is just so incredibly Britain. Trying to fix a problem with a drastic measure that they have no real plan in what that measure means and now regretting that decision and wanting to go back to the way things were.

Just....you guys are so wonky
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Coastal_elite posted...

Parappa09 posted...

"I hadnt quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing"

damn

that's reminds me of "nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated"

what a world we are living in

article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46142188

How did brits ever conquer the world? They seem so... incompetent now

Back then naval forces were more important and the British had a bitchin one. That's basically how.
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Nice.
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Funkydog posted...

Brexit.

The people who gave it to us resigned/fled
Those leading it admit they didn't know what it would mean or were against it to begin with
Those who campaigned for admit they lied

Good times.

Politics
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It's mental the amount of "nobody told me that X would happen" that I hear from people who voted for Brexit, when "X will happen" was said a million times to them throughout the referendum campaign.
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Oatcakes posted...

It's mental the amount of "nobody told me that X would happen" that I hear from people who voted for Brexit, when "X will happen" was said a million times to them throughout the referendum campaign.

Yeah but.....but.... project fear.
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Oatcakes posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Oatcakes posted...

I don't fancy another referendum, why should I trust the same people who got us into this mess again?

Just cancel it.

I agree, but it seems less "democratic", which doesn't really bother me ethically here because I feel like it happens to be in the best interests of the country, but that's a slippery slope... I'm just pissed it passed because of fuckery like my passport losing a lot of weight and stuff like people in my family being from different EU countries and now they're like "uhh... thanks for that" and not sure what their future will hold.

My gf is an EU mainlander, currently trying to buy a house together but no idea what's going to happen regarding her right to remain etc.

Looking forward to dealing with it.

I've posted about this on the UK board before but you'll both want to look in to this:

https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families
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