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darkphoenix181
11/08/18 11:46:22 AM
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It has never worked before outside of being dependent on a capitalist economy in a hybrid (the nordic countries have privatized business which fuels social programs).

So what is the missing key?
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FightingFefnir
11/08/18 11:47:58 AM
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It's not what's missing it's what is in overabundance. Selfishness, greed, exploitation, slothfulness, etc.
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prince_leo
11/08/18 11:49:15 AM
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A post-scarcity economy like Star Trek would clear up most issues
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Rimmer_Dall
11/08/18 11:49:49 AM
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Bread.
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pinky0926
11/08/18 11:49:55 AM
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Human nature.
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A_Good_Boy
11/08/18 11:50:23 AM
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byron posted...
Nobody wants socialism. They want better social programs.

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darkphoenix181
11/08/18 11:51:39 AM
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byron posted...
Nobody wants socialism. They want better social programs.


This is a misconception.

There are people who want to sieze the means of production.
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glitteringfairy
11/08/18 11:53:19 AM
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@Antifar
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Rad_Chad
11/08/18 11:54:46 AM
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Balance, like in western europe where it's working? Fuck. Not hard to figure out.
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darkphoenix181
11/08/18 11:54:51 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/

Do these people just want social programs?

But in any case, what do we label those who just want social programs?

Socialist would be a misnomer. Capitalist philanthropist?
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Darksaber310
11/08/18 11:56:08 AM
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How about a management system that isn't the family and friends network? How about things being led by people who have 1/5 of a clue as to what's going on?

When corporations do this the CEO is out on his ass at the first quarterly review and they're down. When Socialism does this you have to hope your resourceless ass outlives that emperor.

That's what socialism is missing. The ability to say I know nothing and maybe these people got here by more than appointment.
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darkphoenix181
11/08/18 11:56:21 AM
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Rad_Chad posted...
Balance, like in western europe where it's working? Fuck. Not hard to figure out.


By balance do you mean allowing private business that is able to obtain great wealth for individuals?
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Were_Wyrm
11/08/18 11:59:04 AM
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Faith, trust, and pixie dust.
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Thatuser
11/08/18 12:00:17 PM
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Socialism is too idealistic and assumes the people that ultimately end up controlling things like food production and industry will also be uncorrupt and idealist. Most people when given a choice of having more, and better things will seize the opportunity.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/08/18 12:05:59 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
byron posted...
Nobody wants socialism. They want better social programs.


This is a misconception.

There are people who want to sieze the means of production.


"Seize the means of production" is a buzz-saying.
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lightwarrior78
11/08/18 12:08:39 PM
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Common sense. Systems always seek more to seize the flow of capital and money, thinking that once they control it, they can buy everything they want, only to find they want to feed the people, but can't force people to farm. They want medical care for all, but can't force people to be doctors. They promise an easier ride, but the reality is, to give more, you have to produce more, not just be able to pay for it.

Shit doesn't get done, corruption sets in to make things happen for those with money on in favor, and the rest get the shaft.
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GreatEvilEmpire
11/08/18 2:16:05 PM
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It would work if humans were obedient and devoid of emotion. In other words, it would work if we're all robot-like.
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