Current Events > Trump thinks Ex order can end birthright citizenship.

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So he literally believes he is a god king. Fuck him and his army of fascist cultists.
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Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

I live in China (Canada, wife is Thai). If I had another child while living here do you think they'll be able to get Chinese citizenship? Not a fucking chance. Same goes for most places in the world.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

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is this actually going to go anywhere or is it him barking again
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Trump is a sack of shit who wants to transform the US for long after hes dead. Fuck this noise.
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PostCrisisJ2 posted...

is this actually going to go anywhere or is it him barking again

It'll get struck down hard in the SC if it even makes it nearly that far

45 is a fucking piece of shit, fuck him and every person that supports him. I'm voting D across the board next week, taking a picture, and showing it to ever Trump humper I work with
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fuck this guy
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that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

The inevitable next step is that this will lead to thousands of native citizens being deported to nations they have never lived in.

Anyway, executive orders can ve undone with the next president. Not saying he should or legally can, but, if he does and can, it can immediately be undone in 2020.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

The inevitable next step is that this will lead to thousands of native citizens being deported to nations they have never lived in.

Robert's would never let it happen.
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This wont hold up in the courts for a second, hes just saying this to fire up assholes for the midterms.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

The inevitable next step is that this will lead to thousands of native citizens being deported to nations they have never lived in.

How is that an inevitable step? Having birthright citizenship and deporting people whos visas have expired (amongst others) are two different things

You know most countries in the world dont have birthright citizenship. I think the only 2 western countries are Canada and the US.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

Mhmm. And going off a quick glance of the 14th, it seems to focus on whats states cannot do, instead of the executive branch
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rookieplayer03 posted...

asagi_mode_gone posted...

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

The inevitable next step is that this will lead to thousands of native citizens being deported to nations they have never lived in.

How is that an inevitable step? Having birthright citizenship and deporting people whos visas have expired (amongst others) are two different things

You know most countries in the world dont have birthright citizenship. I think the only 2 western countries are Canada and the US.

Okay
Step 1) people who are born here, if neither parent is a citizen or granted legal residence at the time, are not granted citizenship
Step 2) rather than grandfathering in those who already are citizens through the older interpretation, the government will revoke the citizenship of people whose parents weren't citizens at the time of birth
Step 3) as they're not citizens, it'll lead to them being subject to removal from our country as they have no legal claim through which to stay

We've already seen the deportation of how many veterans who served with the promise of citizenship?

MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere

Is doesn't matter what line we're talking about, the problem is that Trump thinks he can take a sharpie to the Constitution.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

rookieplayer03 posted...

asagi_mode_gone posted...

treewojima posted...

that would require a significant reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment

With how he's stacked the courts, it isn't a matter of if but when it'll go through.

The inevitable next step is that this will lead to thousands of native citizens being deported to nations they have never lived in.

How is that an inevitable step? Having birthright citizenship and deporting people whos visas have expired (amongst others) are two different things

You know most countries in the world dont have birthright citizenship. I think the only 2 western countries are Canada and the US.

Okay
Step 1) people who are born here, if neither parent is a citizen or granted legal residence at the time, are not granted citizenship
Step 2) rather than grandfathering in those who already are citizens through the older interpretation, the government will revoke the citizenship of people whose parents weren't citizens at the time of birth
Step 3) as they're not citizens, it'll lead to them being subject to removal from our country as they have no legal claim through which to stay

We've already seen the deportation of how many veterans who served with the promise of citizenship?

Judging from your interpretation of your first point, the people youre referring too are here illegally already. I feel youre speculating on the second point as the article doesnt address the specifics.

Only the US and Canada have unrestricted birthright citizenship. Most European countries require at least 1 parent to be a citizen.
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My first point is literally what Trump is saying he intends to do, deny citizenship to people born here. This would in turn allow them to revoke the citizenship of people who were granted citizenship through the interpretation that Trump is trying to destroy.

So, to put it another way...

There's thousands of citizens in the United States who are citizens because the current interpretation of the 14th amendment says that as they were born here, even if their parents were deported they (even as an infant) were granted full citizenship and weren't able to be deported. Even as babies, they were legally allowed to be here because they were born here.

If Trump changes the current interpretation, those who were granted citizenship through that interpretation would have their birth certificates and other files looked through and when it's determined that neither of their parents were citizens at the time of their birth, their citizenship will be revoked.

Meaning that born citizens will have their citizenship revoked. And that will allow them to be removed from the country (deported).

And revoking the citizenship of people born here is itself precedent to revoking the citizenship of other undesirables (lgbt, racial minorities, leftists, etc.).

MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere.

Why not?

King_Hellebuyck posted...

This wont hold up in the courts for a second, hes just saying this to fire up assholes for the midterms.

This is the most accurate take on this issue.
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rookieplayer03 posted...

I think the only 2 western countries are Canada and the US.

Not really, basically most of the americas have it, while most of the rest of the world have restrictions of some sort.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

I live in China (Canada, wife is Thai). If I had another child while living here do you think they'll be able to get Chinese citizenship? Not a fucking chance. Same goes for most places in the world.

So no one is a legal citizen?
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MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

I live in China (Canada, wife is Thai). If I had another child while living here do you think they'll be able to get Chinese citizenship? Not a fucking chance. Same goes for most places in the world.

Nothing you said explains why it shouldn't exist.
It exists if we want it to
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There's a bigger issue here. He wants free reign to overwrite the Constitution. It's not even about Jus Sanguinis or Jus Soli. If Congress allowed this to happen, he'd be able to stab away at practically anything in the Constitution. The freedom of black people. Women's voting rights. Whatever the Hell he wants.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

I live in China (Canada, wife is Thai). If I had another child while living here do you think they'll be able to get Chinese citizenship? Not a fucking chance. Same goes for most places in the world.

So life in the rest of the world is like Starship Troopers? Yeah, I'm OK with avoiding that.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Birthright citizenship shouldn't exist anywhere. Only way you should have birthright citizenship to any country is if one of your parents is a citizen of that country. Most countries don't allow you to be a citizen simply because you were born there.

I live in China (Canada, wife is Thai). If I had another child while living here do you think they'll be able to get Chinese citizenship? Not a fucking chance. Same goes for most places in the world.

Translation:
Me and my Asian waifu are doing fine so who the fuck cares? BTW you shouldnt get things we dont get.
P.s. fuck you I got mine, build the wall, MAGA, theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime...

"Obama needs to stop acting like a king and start acting like a president"

"No country handles citizenship like the US. Who cares if Trump tries to shit on the constitution?"

#EconomicAnxiety
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I don't see any issue with birthright citizenship. I think that's how everything should go. Countries are just arbitrarily decided blocks of land, if you are born within it then you are from there.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

"Obama needs to stop acting like a king and start acting like a president"

"No country handles citizenship like the US. Who cares if Trump tries to shit on the constitution?"

#EconomicAnxiety

Seriously, I think no matter what party you are, blatant power grabs of executive power should TERRIFY you. We have three branches for a reason.

ITT : OP was never told the meaning of "fascism". I mean I know schools are bad in the US of A but still, gosh darn.
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I dont think he can do that. In any event its idiotic to spew that shit right before the mid terms.
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