Current Events > Star Trek TNG season 1 was pretty gruesome.

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We seek peaceful coexistence.
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pretty sure *that* scene is actually worth a warning even though its aried during the day when kids could watch

Plus wesley got stabbed. He's like 12 in the show and he gest stabbed on camera

And then they never did an episode about them again

The end
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One of my favorite episodes.
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Star Trek Next Generation Season 1 it was like you were still watching the old Star Trek show.

These days now, Season 1 of Next Generation its pretty bad and outdated etc

UnfairRepresent posted...

And then they never did an episode about them again

The end

The reception to that episode was apparently bad enough that they never bothered.

But some of the books apparently connected them to the Trill, making them a genetically modified symbiote that didn't turn out to well.
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probably the best episode of the season tbh
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I general I hated S1. So much of the crew was just assholes.
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bevan306 posted...

probably the best episode of the season tbh

I would agree with that based on how much I remember of season one which is basically:

The pilot.
The dumb drunk virus episode.
The super racist one.
The "Picard is a dick to some people frozen from the past" one.
The bug one.
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Captains Day was Season 1, right?
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pegusus123456 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

And then they never did an episode about them again

The end

The reception to that episode was apparently bad enough that they never bothered.

But some of the books apparently connected them to the Trill, making them a genetically modified symbiote that didn't turn out to well.

I remember someone telling me that they actually were going to revisit it, but budgetary constraints meant they had to change them, and thus, they created the Borg.

Still, would have been cool to see some organic hijackers with ships and technology pieced together from the people they infiltrated.

But yeah, that episode was a bit messed up. It reminds me of 90's sitcom Halloween specials, where they just got away with basically low grade horror movie/slasher stuff on primetime.

While TNG S2 is probably one of the best things to have ever graced TV, I actually end up muchly preferring the later seasons of TNG where the camaraderie between the crew members have mostly solidified. Like Deanna and Riker always smiling and laughing to each other every time Data does something unintentionally goofy, funny, or heartwarming, or when Worf can't help but show his human sides and the whole crew evidently being aware of his humanity despite his deep respect for his heritage. You don't really get that level of fun character dynamic in the earlier season.

Of course not to mention Picard pretty much is a consistent slope upwards in quality. He teaches his crew members and other races valuable lessons in being human but is fully capable of observing and learning from his crew. Early on, he only really comes across as stuffy and awkward but capable, which I think is a "boring" Picard.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I remember someone telling me that they actually were going to revisit it, but budgetary constraints meant they had to change them, and thus, they created the Borg.

Still, would have been cool to see some organic hijackers with ships and technology pieced together from the people they infiltrated.

The Borg were supposed to be an insect-type race, but I don't think they were meant to be this insect race.
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legendarylemur posted...

While TNG S2 is probably one of the best things to have ever graced TV, I actually end up muchly preferring the later seasons of TNG where the camaraderie between the crew members have mostly solidified. Like Deanna and Riker always smiling and laughing to each other every time Data does something unintentionally goofy, funny, or heartwarming, or when Worf can't help but show his human sides and the whole crew evidently being aware of his humanity despite his deep respect for his heritage. You don't really get that level of fun character dynamic in the earlier season.

Of course not to mention Picard pretty much is a consistent slope upwards in quality. He teaches his crew members and other races valuable lessons in being human but is fully capable of observing and learning from his crew. Early on, he only really comes across as stuffy and awkward but capable, which I think is a "boring" Picard.

I honestly don't think I remember someone saying they preferred Season 2 to the later stuff. Generally speaking, Riker's beard is when the show got great.

season 1 had no idea what the characters were
michael dorn even said he was just told to snarl a lot
patrick stewart thought it was a one season show

the only good part of season 1 was mariana sirtis' great acting

Dash_Harber posted...

I honestly don't think I remember someone saying they preferred Season 2 to the later stuff. Generally speaking, Riker's beard is when the show got great.

S2 is when he grew the beard tho
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pegusus123456 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I honestly don't think I remember someone saying they preferred Season 2 to the later stuff. Generally speaking, Riker's beard is when the show got great.

S2 is when he grew the beard tho

Fairly certain it was S3. At least, I could have sworn that. My mistake. Either way, Pulaski sort of soured S2 for me. One of the worst Star Trek main characters I can think of. Up there with Neelix.

I think despite Pulaski, S2 had some really high highs and had consistently high quality episodes. But tbh I personally consider S2~ of TNG to all be some of the best things on TV ever. I have a hard time saying which seasons are better than others though
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pulaski was amazing
in one episode where data plays the game with the cocky alien guy she just looks at him and he agree to play

imagining being able to teach data facial expression recognition of human emotions in a split second

nobody else came close to that
pulaski is a genius

I kinda of liked Pulaski, but she was definitely a huge bitch.
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hotcegaI posted...

pulaski was amazing
in one episode where data plays the game with the cocky alien guy she just looks at him and he agree to play

imagining being able to teach data facial expression recognition of human emotions in a split second

nobody else came close to that
pulaski is a genius

The problem is that she immediately invalidates herself. She thinks Data is a cold machine and can't possibly have emotions or have human relationships, then falls in love with a mother fucking hologram.

I mean, when McCoy picked on Spock, it felt like they had a friendly rivalry going because he gave it back to him. Picking Data, who is unfailingly polite and incapable of being a jerk, is just fucking mean.

Oh god, when she calls him Dah-ta.
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ce i was being sarcastic
pulaski should have been repeatedly phazered

hotcegaI posted...

ce i was being sarcastic
pulaski should have been repeatedly phazered

My bad. You never know. I mean, some people openly endorse Nazis and the KKK and ... *shudder* ... Dr. Pulaski.

I think Pulaski slowly learning to accept Data as a person would have been a decent arc, but they didn't really do arcs that early in TNG.

And also everyone else already accepted Data as a person so she'd still be a super King Kamehameha bitch.
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I think if she was there from the start she would have come off as better. She was this outsider attacking this person(?) that fans came to love.
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Maybe it would have worked better, but again, everyone else was fine with him and she was a jerk to Data, who was established as incredibly nice and polite from the beginning.

Really, though, all Star Trek characters suck before character development. Look at Tasha Yar. I was talking to my mom about the show the other day and she mentioned how she hated that character, yet I pointed out that if she stayed on the show, she would have probably become a really good character because when she showed up in various alternate realities/times, she was great. Even Worf was pretty much a joke in the first season. Another great example is Ro Laren. Or Seska.

Most of everyone in season 1 had no idea what was going on since there was no actual plot
Worf snarled, Picard hated everyone, Wesley got stabbed, Deanna orgasmed when she felt emotions, Crusher, Geordi, Riker were whatever

hotcegaI posted...

Most of everyone in season 1 had no idea what was going on since there was no actual plot
Worf snarled, Picard hated everyone, Wesley got stabbed, Deanna orgasmed when she felt emotions, Crusher, Geordi, Riker were whatever

Technically, Riker creeped on everything with a pulse.

That actually continued through the whole story, though.

Dash_Harber posted...

Technically, Riker creeped on everything with a pulse.

That actually continued through the whole story, though.

oh yeah the episode were Weslehy was senteced to die had him basically living his dream on that planet

I never liked Tasha Yar and her Planet of the Rapes backstory.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Technically, Riker creeped on everything with a pulse.

That actually continued through the whole story, though.

They don't call it the Riker maneuver for nothing.
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Jagermeister513 posted...

I never liked Tasha Yar and her Planet of the Rapes backstory.

When they fleshed it out later, it was actually sort of cool. A planet that used to be associated with the Federation, but the government fell apart and there was no authority left to deal with them so they just sort of abandoned the planet into basically tribal gang warfare. It had some potential, and Tasha was amazing in Yesterday's Enterprise and as her future half-Romulan daughter, but yeah, lack of development.

cjsdowg posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Technically, Riker creeped on everything with a pulse.

That actually continued through the whole story, though.

They don't call it the Riker maneuver for nothing.

I mean, technically, the Riker Maneuver is when you sit down in a chair by throwing your leg over it from behind, but yeah.

Is there a character in fiction that gets shit on more than Tasha Yar?

Raised on a constantly warring planet where "rape gangs" are an every-day threat. Pointlessly killed by being sucked into the pure essence of evil. Resurrected via time travel so she could have a meaningful death, but is instead captured and forced into sexual slavery on an enemy planet. Eventually has a kid from the rape that she loves regardless. After years of this sexual slavery, she finally manages to escape with her child only for the kid to betray her to a guard which ends in her being executed.

And if that's not enough, her kid grows up to be fanatically loyal to the government she was combating and enslaved by, going so far as to lead (and engineer?) an attack against Earth and specifically against her crew.

Dash_Harber posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Technically, Riker creeped on everything with a pulse.

That actually continued through the whole story, though.

They don't call it the Riker maneuver for nothing.

I mean, technically, the Riker Maneuver is when you sit down in a chair by throwing your leg over it from behind, but yeah.

It's the same thing, you just throw you leg over the woman from behind.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Is there a character in fiction that gets shit on more than Tasha Yar?

Raised on a constantly warring planet where "rape gangs" are an every-day threat. Pointlessly killed by being sucked into the pure essence of evil. Resurrected via time travel so she could have a meaningful death, but is instead captured and forced into sexual slavery on an enemy planet. Eventually has a kid from the rape that she loves regardless. After years of this sexual slavery, she finally manages to escape with her child only for the kid to betray her to a guard which ends in her being executed.

And if that's not enough, her kid grows up to be fanatically loyal to the government she was combating and enslaved by, going so far as to lead (and engineer?) an attack against Earth and specifically against her crew.

Yeah, she rivals Worf for the series whipping dog.

pegusus123456 posted...

Is there a character in fiction that gets shit on more than Tasha Yar?

Miles "Human Suffering" O'Brien

Dash_Harber posted...

Jagermeister513 posted...

I never liked Tasha Yar and her Planet of the Rapes backstory.

When they fleshed it out later, it was actually sort of cool. A planet that used to be associated with the Federation, but the government fell apart and there was no authority left to deal with them so they just sort of abandoned the planet into basically tribal gang warfare. It had some potential, and Tasha was amazing in Yesterday's Enterprise and as her future half-Romulan daughter, but yeah, lack of development.

Yeah, she was great in Yesterday's Enterprise and I really liked Sela and wished they had used her more.
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hotcegaI posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Is there a character in fiction that gets shit on more than Tasha Yar?

Miles "Human Suffering" O'Brien

Miles got shit on like once a year, but he still got a happy ending and had more than his fair share of happy moments. Yar got shit on, and Worf is incredibly sad;
- Falls for Kayhlar. She rejects him after a one night stand. She fathers a child and doesn't tell him. She comes back to try and reconcile, and she gets killed.
- His father is killed in a Romulan attack and blamed for betraying them. He gets excommunicated and accepts it to protect the people that really did get his family killed and tried to kill him and his brother.
- He falls for Deanna and starts dating her, but basically gets strung along so that Riker and Troi can love/hate each other.
- He has a secret brother who he meets after he is grown up, the brother has to hid his heritage, then later after his brother becomes suicidally depressed for getting kicked out of the empire, Worf is forced to agree to have his mind wiped to prevent him from killing himself, never seeing him again.
- He tries to raise his son alone on a military ship, fails miserably, and when his son grows up he hates him and never really reconciles much.
- Falls in love with Dax. She dies shortly after marrying him. He is forced to watch her next host fall in love with the man he was competing with Dax for in the first place.
Honestly, I'm surprised Worf wasn't just a big sad lump by the end of the series.