Current Events > How do you propose we stop school shootings?

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I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.
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Make everyone wear spandex bodysuits with clear backpacks, and lock the doors and set up turrets
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i thought many schools already had metal detectors and bag checks and armed guards? mine did and i went to high school ten years ago.

if not then more should.
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Use metal detectors in mostly white schools like they do in poor neighborhoods. But...but my white rights
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you ever considered not bitching about liberals all the time

it ain't healthy man
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Ban guns. But we all know that's never going to happen. :/
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ban schools

Institute a national healthcare system so that everyone with mental disabilities can have access to the care they need

More carefully regulate who can buy a gun

I'm not a liberal or conservative but I'd imagine that's their stance
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only cops should have guns
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Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.
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Arm every teacher and schoolboy and have armed guards at every desk and also turrets at every school

And then just to be safe, strap explosives to the corner of every single room
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Mandatory therapy and community service.
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I say we just get rid of all the walls so no one can hide anywhere if they have a gun. If we can make all the children see-through as well that would be a real step in the right direction.
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kingdrake2 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.

Yeah...That's why we should hire veterans instead of civilian mall cops who can't handle a real situation.
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SSJCAT posted...

i thought many schools already had metal detectors and bag checks and armed guards? mine did and i went to high school ten years ago.

if not then more should.

I heard white/rich schools don't have them. Mine did in the inner city too as well 10 years ago. You had to swipe an ID card to enter and there was a metal detector you had to walk through. You also put your bag into a conveyor belt and an armed guard looked at it. I just thought it was normal in a post 9/11 world went to college and mentioned it and all the white kids looked at me like I was crazy. They never had to go through that.
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Pepys Monster posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.

Yeah...That's why we should hire veterans instead of civilian mall cops who can't handle a real situation.

What if they have undiagnosed PTSD and are around a bunch of kids. Not to mention most veterans wouldn't want their
post-war life to be babysitting kids
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MC_BatCommander posted...

you ever considered not bitching about liberals all the time

it ain't healthy man

The regressive left halts progress.

-Unowninator- posted...

Ban guns. But we all know that's never going to happen. :/

You're right, that's never going to happen. So it's time to come up with sensible solutions instead of fantasy solutions.
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Mental health focus and some kind of media ban on talking about the perpetrators so we stop glorifying and worshiping them. Any high profile shooter basically needs their entire life dissected to the point where the average person knows more about them than their grandma.

better counseling and serious notifications of potential problems. armed guards and metal detectors would be decent deterrents while armed teachers along with bullet proof locks and doors would be the best line of defense if something did occur.

Flockaveli posted...

Mandatory therapy and community service.

This actually sounds like a good idea.
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nemu posted...

Mental health focus and some kind of media ban on talking about the perpetrators so we stop glorifying and worshiping them. Any high profile shooter basically needs their entire life dissected to the point where the average person knows more about them than their grandma.

You're 100% right. If a kid anywhere in this country shoots someone at his school, CNN tells the nation about it, says the shooter's name, shows the shooter's picture, talks about him, and inspires more of these tragedies. Because suicidal/homicidal/mentally ill people who want to be household name know that doing a shooting is a way to be remembered.
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Pepys Monster posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.

Yeah...That's why we should hire veterans instead of civilian mall cops who can't handle a real situation.

He wasn't a "rent a cop" security guard. He was an actual police officer coward.
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You skipped me poking holes in your solution...hmm
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get rid of schools

problem solved
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.

Yeah...That's why we should hire veterans instead of civilian mall cops who can't handle a real situation.

He wasn't a "rent a cop" security guard. He was an actual police officer coward.

i'm aware. running away makes him rent a cop. still a goddamn coward.
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Colorahdo posted...

Institute a national healthcare system so that everyone with mental disabilities can have access to the care they need

More carefully regulate who can buy a gun

I'm not a liberal or conservative but I'd imagine that's their stance

Pretty much, yeah. And since 'regulation' is such a four letter word, most liberals like myself are going to recommend something politically viable like background checks, and legislation prohibiting the selling of guns to people with a history of mental illness and people who have recently committed a violent offense including domestic abuse.

But even this is apparently radical under the current political climate.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You skipped me poking holes in your solution...hmm

This?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

What if they have undiagnosed PTSD and are around a bunch of kids. Not to mention most veterans wouldn't want their
post-war life to be babysitting kids

Security isn't really babysitting. Some might not want to do it, but for some, a job is a job. And a lot of people have PTSD without you realizing it.
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Online schooling.
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kingdrake2 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I havent heard a single actual idea from liberals. The right has suggested allowing teachers to carry on campus, or hiring armed security to protect schools. The left wont budge and doesnt want any changes.

that rent a cop security guard who was paid to protect the school at the time of the shooting ran away like a goddamn coward :(.

Yeah...That's why we should hire veterans instead of civilian mall cops who can't handle a real situation.

He wasn't a "rent a cop" security guard. He was an actual police officer coward.

i'm aware. running away makes him rent a cop. still a goddamn coward.

That's a blatantly wrong way to use that idiom. Spreading misinformation, smh.
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Ban schools
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hollow_shrine posted...

Pretty much, yeah. And since 'regulation' is such a four letter word, most liberals like myself are going to recommend something politically viable like background checks, and legislation prohibiting the selling of guns to people with a history of mental illness and people who have recently committed a violent offense including domestic abuse.

thats largely already in the system. a lot of the problems come from human error in not reporting what they should.

Pepys Monster posted...

-Unowninator- posted...

Ban guns. But we all know that's never going to happen. :/

You're right, that's never going to happen. So it's time to come up with sensible solutions instead of fantasy solutions.

Thinking that arming teachers is suddenly going to decrease school shootings is just as much a fantasy solution as banning guns entirely is.
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I love that Americans are so defensive over guns and their 'freedom' that they can't see the irony of turning their school system into some kind of military dystopia, with cameras everywhere, armed guards, metal detectors etc.

The fact is, America is both unique in their gun rights and amount of mass and school shootings. Do the maths.
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Who the fuck is glorifying and worshiping school shooters? Reporting the news isnt either of those things. A media blackout is not the solution its fascism.

Stronger and more comprehensive gun ownership requirement, greater oversight in gun show sales, stronger penalties for straw buyers, and mandatory reporting and inspection of home gun storage. Mandatory psychological evaluation for a gun owner and all those who live in their household. More accessible mental health resources.
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Pepys Monster posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You skipped me poking holes in your solution...hmm

This?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

What if they have undiagnosed PTSD and are around a bunch of kids. Not to mention most veterans wouldn't want their
post-war life to be babysitting kids

Security isn't really babysitting. Some might not want to do it, but for some, a job is a job. And a lot of people have PTSD without you realizing it.

Are you saying cause people can't spot it it makes it safe to be around children? What happens when the case is "Veteran has PTSD triggered and kills kid"? I agree with a job is a job tho. There is always somebody willing to do it. I just think you'd really have to search.
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In the 2015-2016 school year there were only 11 nationwide school shootings.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

How many times per year does a gun go off in an American school?

We should know. But we don't.

This spring the U.S. Education Department reported that in the 2015-2016 school year, "nearly 240 schools ... reported at least 1 incident involving a school-related shooting." The number is far higher than most other estimates.

But NPR reached out to every one of those schools repeatedly over the course of three months and found that more than two-thirds of these reported incidents never happened. Child Trends, a nonpartisan nonprofit research organization, assisted NPR in analyzing data from the government's Civil Rights Data Collection.

We were able to confirm just 11 reported incidents, either directly with schools or through media reports.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Pretty much, yeah. And since 'regulation' is such a four letter word, most liberals like myself are going to recommend something politically viable like background checks, and legislation prohibiting the selling of guns to people with a history of mental illness and people who have recently committed a violent offense including domestic abuse.

thats already in the system. a lot of the problems come from human error in not reporting what they should.

But those regulations are not currently in place. In addition to what's being sold in normal venues, large quantities of guns are sold at shows, given as gifts, or simply inherited whose owners never under went a background check. And which of the proposed laws prohibiting the sale of guns to people with a history of mental illness or people with a violent record are currently on the books?

And if our problem is sellers not enforcing the law, then it only makes sense that failure to enforce the law should carry a penalty to compel compliance. Is it a fine, is it the loss of one's seller license? I don't know, we can debate that after we agree on the kinds of regulations we want to place on the sale of firearms.
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josifrees posted...

and mandatory reporting and inspection of home gun storage. Mandatory psychological evaluation for a gun owner and all those who live in their household.

This is where you really went off the deep end. Do you want some cop coming in to your house to inspect your guns? How often do you want this to happen? And then your non-gun-owning roommate(s) are REQUIRED to have a psychological evaluation when they have things to do like go to work? That's dumb.
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GregShmedley posted...

Now this is actual fascism.

It's not. Since 2008 Heller Decision we've ruled that the 'right to bear arms' does not entitle one to own firearms, effectively making it a privilege. Furthermore, there are conditions under which the privilege to own firearms may be suspended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

EDIT: My mistake. I've got this precisely wrong. "The Supreme Court struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the Regulations Act was an unconstitutional ban..."

Admittedly I'm not thinking of this in the context of someone searching your home, though there's nothing as yet preventing the state from obligating this. I'm thinking more in the vein of needing to regularly renew your license with regularly markmanship and safety training or, more reasonable still, passing a background check.
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hollow_shrine posted...

It's not. Since 2008 Heller Decision we've ruled that the 'right to bear arms' does not entitle one to own firearms, effectively making it a privilege.

is this satire
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hollow_shrine posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Now this is actual fascism.

It's not. Since 2008 Heller Decision we've ruled that the 'right to bear arms' does not entitle one to own firearms, effectively making it a privilege. Furthermore, there are conditions under which the privilege to own firearms may be suspended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

That isn't what the case determined.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee

It merely determined that the 2nd amendment was not unlimited. Not that it isn't a right at all.
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Pepys Monster posted...

josifrees posted...

and mandatory reporting and inspection of home gun storage. Mandatory psychological evaluation for a gun owner and all those who live in their household.

This is where you really went off the deep end. Do you want some cop coming in to your house to inspect your guns? How often do you want this to happen? And then your non-gun-owning roommate(s) are REQUIRED to have a psychological evaluation when they have things to do like go to work? That's dumb.

It isnt anything new. Its pretty much what you have to do if you want to own a hunting rifle in japan. And no, it wouldnt be a cop it would be a government bureaucrat
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Raise your children better
Lock up your guns

Pepys Monster posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Now this is actual fascism.

It's not. Since 2008 Heller Decision we've ruled that the 'right to bear arms' does not entitle one to own firearms, effectively making it a privilege. Furthermore, there are conditions under which the privilege to own firearms may be suspended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

That isn't what the case determined.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee

It merely determined that the 2nd amendment was not unlimited. Not that it isn't a right at all.

You're correct. I'm reading this backwards. The law distinguishing firearms are being arms in excess of what the 2nd Amendment protects is what was ruled unconstitutional here.
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josifrees posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

josifrees posted...

and mandatory reporting and inspection of home gun storage. Mandatory psychological evaluation for a gun owner and all those who live in their household.

This is where you really went off the deep end. Do you want some cop coming in to your house to inspect your guns? How often do you want this to happen? And then your non-gun-owning roommate(s) are REQUIRED to have a psychological evaluation when they have things to do like go to work? That's dumb.

It isnt anything new. Its pretty much what you have to do if you want to own a hunting rifle in japan.

Other countries that aren't that extreme and totalitarian still have less school shootings.
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Murdering someone is more extreme and totalitarian than any of these policies.

Honestly, dont care about comparative political statistics. Its how you solve the problem without taking peoples rights away
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