Poll of the Day > In Return of the Jedi, why does random Ewok #47 know how to operate a hoverbike?

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It's my first time watching the sixth movie in years, and the logic behind this utterly confounds me.

Why does a member of a race that has had no contact with any sort of Imperial technology whatsoever know how to ride a hoverbike? I must have these answers.
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They read the easy to use manual.
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TheGreatNoodles posted...

They read the easy to use manual.

So simple, an Ewok could do it!
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You dont know what those Ewoks do they fuck with all sortsa shit
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LinkPizza posted...

TheGreatNoodles posted...

They read the easy to use manual.

So simple, an Ewok could do it!

"If a storm trooper can use it fine, why can't an Ewok!"
Ewok's can probably also shoot better on 'em too.
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I thought all they did is find the go button and then turn it and hope for the best?
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Leia taught them.
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It was the force. It was all played out as per the force wanted it to be played out to bring back the balance.

They probably had some contact with Imperial technology since there was a base on the planet and Imperals were never really known to have a cleanup crew collect things left behind.
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pressing random things and then holding on for dear life doesn't mean they know how to use speeders
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aDirtyShisno posted...

They probably had some contact with Imperial technology since there was a base on the planet and Imperals were never really known to have a cleanup crew collect things left behind.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

pressing random things and then holding on for dear life doesn't mean they know how to use speeders

I figure it's a combination of these two. Prior experience with other Imperial forces and/or sheer luck.
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So in The Force Awakens, the salvager girl and the former stormtrooper can somehow use lightsabers to a degree despite having no training and actually perform decently against the main bad guy. I get that Ben defeated the stormtrooper, but it's still a bit absurd that the latter can keep up with a trained user of the lightsaber despite having no actual training in swordplay (unless stormtrooper training involved swordplay). And the girl actually overpowered Han's son, who's supposed to be the grandson of one of the most Force-sensitive humans in the galaxy. What's the logic behind this? It doesn't really make Ben look good, being defeated by someone who just started using a lightsaber for the first time.

InfestedAdam posted...

Prior experience with other Imperial forces and/or sheer luck.

Okay, that makes more sense than how I saw it.
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Force Awakens girl probably has experience swinging around a pipe or something during salvaging trips.

And in fairness, Luke was a farmer with ZERO potentially dangerous lifestyle elements to that point (with the exception of apparently shooting "wamp rats" with an armed flying vehicle somewhere along the line), yet he was able to at least hold his own against Vader for a fair amount of time before his first loss. With Vader's only real concern being that he probably didn't want to inflict a wound that would outright kill Luke in a single hit (which thanks to the cauterizing effect of light sabers, pretty much only means "don't stab a vital organ with the beam-sword and he will live").

Up to that point: Vader: Is a veteran of the Clone Wars and has been in many battles since then as well, and has fought against numerous Sith and/or Jedi up and has usually won or stalemated against them. Luke: Has been trained for a couple days by Obi-wan with no actual combat experience, and used a Yoda as a backpack for, what, a week at most?

In comparison, in Force Awakens we have a protagonist who is a salvager with unknown combat experience (likely centered around melee weapons if anything, though she also seems to know how to fly stuff), and just no training in the Force itself. Verses a sith guy who is frankly a mental mess himself for most of that film (and if not for a dramatically timed change in a scene's lighting, may well have even turned away from the dark side), and likely has very limited combat experience when compared to Vader, and may well have never even fought against another force user regardless of whatever Sith training he got up until then.

The guy is a NOOB compared to Vader and is suffering substantial instability issues throughout the Force Awakens. And he even has the same issue that Vader has on top of this, if not worse, where he likely doesn't want to kill her. As for her, even assuming zero prior combat experience, she differs from Luke in only about a week of some semblance of training.

Frankly, its more reasonable that the funny-nosed Sith wannabe who is very unstable would lose to a scavenger girl than it is that a highly experienced veteran of a war with lots of combat against actual lightsaber-wielding force users would even have a little trouble with a farmer kid who just sometimes flew an old fighter or something around shooting oversized rodents instead of just parrying the lad within the first few moves and lopping off a hand or something.
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Because Starwars were all pretty much terrible campy bullshit movies that people seem to think were much better than they actually are.

EclairReturns posted...

So in The Force Awakens, the salvager girl and the former stormtrooper can somehow use lightsabers to a degree despite having no training and actually perform decently against the main bad guy.

The former Stormtrooper clearly doesn't have a clue what he's doing, and gets his ass handed to him almost immediately the moment he tries to use it - he's pretty much lucky he doesn't lop one of his own limbs off.

The salvager girl has spent a large portion of her life fighting with a staff - which they basically only put into the movie solely to justify why she's better at melee combat - and she's also pretty much bursting at the seams with the Force, which is sort of the entire point of her character. As per Luke and Obi-Wan's conversations in the original film, the Force "guides your actions, but also obeys your will" - the moment Luke allows himself to give in to the Force, he pretty much becomes a master swordsman in about 30 seconds. In Return of the Jedi, the moment he gives in to his anger, he pretty much triples his combat skill and beats the living shit out of Vader.

In Force Awakens, Rey actually startles Kylo with how good she is - because the entire point is that she's tapping into the Force on an almost instinctive level, and she's REALLY pissed off at him. So she's like 120% Force boosted at that point, on top of the fact that she's already spent years fighting with sticks.

There are plenty of stupid ideas in the sequels, but all of that pretty much makes perfect sense.


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probably he saw them being used and he just jumped on and tried it himself. like I have no clue how to drive a motorcycle but it won't stop me from trying. (I won't get far because I know motorcycle are manual engines. I'm guessing speeder bike are automatic engines.)
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omg what if she taught them sex
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Rey didn't even use any fancy techniques. She was swinging the saber around as if it were a baseball bat.
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Why could the Ewoks defeat the Empire in general.

The Ewoks were designed to sell toys, so they were given a prominent role in the movie. They don't really make sense in general.
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TigerTycoon posted...

Why could the Ewoks defeat the Empire in general.

The Ewoks were designed to sell toys, so they were given a prominent role in the movie. They don't really make sense in general.

the ewoks win because george lucas likes the whole low tech beating advanced forces. gungans did the same thing.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Why could the Ewoks defeat the Empire in general.

The Ewoks were designed to sell toys, so they were given a prominent role in the movie. They don't really make sense in general.

the ewoks win because george lucas likes the whole low tech beating advanced forces. gungans did the same thing.

Well, George Lucas is on record saying the Battle Droids were meant to be pathetic and non threatening, so I'm not sure that counts.

Although I question the decision to make the main enemies that are fought intentionally pathetic and non threatening.
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Also, the Gungans did NOT do the same thing. They actually still had actual technology what with the energy-shield...shields and the energy...spears, and the electro-ball slingshots or whatever, and the giant mount-carried energy dome shield emitter. Hey, before you laugh, those awesome wookie bowcasters are also a sort of weird "old-fashioned yet high tech" weapon, and Jedi like using SWORDS.

Oh, right. Even with this, the Gungans LOST. They were basically captured and in the midst of being escorted away somewhere by the droids when some kid just happened to blow up the one ship the Trade Federation thought to leave behind which also happened to be contain the mega-droid AI that controlled ALL the droids remotely. Which then let the Gungans get all happy and just walk up to the inert droids and push them over with their hands.
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