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ChainedRedone 10/13/18 4:08:48 PM #1:	Both sides have a different way of looking at the issue. Pro-choicers see it as bodily autonomy and feel a woman has the right to remove anything from her body. Pro-lifers see a fetus as a human and abortion as unnecessary killings of a human. They think the law should give fetuses protections. So when pro-choicers claim that pro-lifers are misogynistic or whatever, I don't really agree. It's simply 2 different perspectives. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910468745] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>Both sides have a different way of looking at the issue. Pro-choicers see it as bodily autonomy and feel a woman has the right to remove anything from her body. Pro-lifers see a fetus as a human and abortion as unnecessary killings of a human. They think the law should give fetuses protections. So when pro-choicers claim that pro-lifers are misogynistic or whatever, I don't really agree. It's simply 2 different perspectives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/13/18 4:11:36 PM #2:	But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910468881] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 4:15:09 PM #3:	hockeybub89 posted... But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. Also, only 1 of the two is supported by rational pro-versus con analysis. There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society. Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910469040] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit.</quote> Also, only 1 of the two is supported by rational pro-versus con analysis. There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society. Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheKentster 10/13/18 4:16:31 PM #4:	Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. <cite>TheKentster posted [p:910469106] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rikasa 10/13/18 4:18:23 PM #5:	They should just redo Planned Parenthood and say they can now only do abortions when life threatening and medically necessary but then just classify every abortion as such and give the pro-lifers another 5-10 years of entertainment uncovering the ruse. --- you are not alone <cite>rikasa posted [p:910469176] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>They should just redo Planned Parenthood and say they can now only do abortions when life threatening and medically necessary but then just classify every abortion as such and give the pro-lifers another 5-10 years of entertainment uncovering the ruse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 10/13/18 5:02:59 PM #6:	hockeybub89 posted... But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action. This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed" --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910471041] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action.</quote> This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/13/18 5:47:53 PM #7:	TheKentster posted... Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. Even if she was raped and got pregnant? --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910472975] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> Even if she was raped and got pregnant?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 10/13/18 5:49:16 PM #8:	Good OP --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:910473034] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>Good OP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbreakable 10/13/18 5:50:43 PM #9:	TheKentster posted... Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. You're not. You're removing a fetus. --- But Wait... there's more <cite>Unbreakable posted [p:910473095] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> You're not. You're removing a fetus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 10/13/18 5:53:28 PM #10:	ChainedRedone posted... hockeybub89 posted... But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action. This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed" Did you even read the post? --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:910473220] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action.</quote> This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed"</quote> Did you even read the post?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbreakable 10/13/18 5:54:18 PM #11:	BLAKUboy posted... ChainedRedone posted... hockeybub89 posted... But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action. This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed" Did you even read the post? I don't think he did. That post was actually a rather good explanation on why you can't have both and it HAS to be one or the other. --- But Wait... there's more <cite>Unbreakable posted [p:910473258] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action.</quote> This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed"</quote> Did you even read the post?</quote> I don't think he did. That post was actually a rather good explanation on why you can't have both and it HAS to be one or the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheKentster 10/13/18 5:56:28 PM #12:	Solar_Crimson posted... TheKentster posted... Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. Even if she was raped and got pregnant? That has nothing to do with the discussion. <cite>TheKentster posted [p:910473354] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solar_Crimson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> Even if she was raped and got pregnant?</quote> That has nothing to do with the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/13/18 6:09:30 PM #13:	TheKentster posted... Solar_Crimson posted... TheKentster posted... Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. Even if she was raped and got pregnant? That has nothing to do with the discussion. It does, actually. If a woman got pregnant against her will via rape, why should she not be able to terminate the pregnancy that she did not want? Some on the pro-life side have seriously argued that such a woman should keep the child, since it could be considered a "gift from God" to have something "good" from a horrible situation. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910473912] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solar_Crimson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> Even if she was raped and got pregnant?</quote> That has nothing to do with the discussion.</quote> It does, actually. If a woman got pregnant against her will via rape, why should she not be able to terminate the pregnancy that she did not want? Some on the pro-life side have seriously argued that such a woman should keep the child, since it could be considered a "gift from God" to have something "good" from a horrible situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dreamvoid 10/13/18 6:12:58 PM #14:	i understand it. pro-lifers want to restrict the rights of others, and that is often met with zealousness. --- https://imgur.com/2Qfzt9X https://imgur.com/qlXpj2E https://imgur.com/rPe48jC https://imgur.com/5xltd3r <cite>dreamvoid posted [p:910474072] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>i understand it. pro-lifers want to restrict the rights of others, and that is often met with zealousness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheKentster 10/13/18 6:20:29 PM #15:	Solar_Crimson posted... TheKentster posted... Solar_Crimson posted... TheKentster posted... Howl posted... There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child. Even if she was raped and got pregnant? That has nothing to do with the discussion. It does, actually. If a woman got pregnant against her will via rape, why should she not be able to terminate the pregnancy that she did not want? Some on the pro-life side have seriously argued that such a woman should keep the child, since it could be considered a "gift from God" to have something "good" from a horrible situation. You're just moving the goalposts. <cite>TheKentster posted [p:910474451] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solar_Crimson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solar_Crimson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There are no viable alternatives to abortions. Without them being legal, the consequences of women seeking back alley, and dangerous illegal abortions is a much greater cost to society</quote> One alternative I can think of is not murdering your child.</quote> Even if she was raped and got pregnant?</quote> That has nothing to do with the discussion.</quote> It does, actually. If a woman got pregnant against her will via rape, why should she not be able to terminate the pregnancy that she did not want? Some on the pro-life side have seriously argued that such a woman should keep the child, since it could be considered a "gift from God" to have something "good" from a horrible situation.</quote> You're just moving the goalposts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 10/13/18 6:47:11 PM #16:	Unbreakable posted... BLAKUboy posted... ChainedRedone posted... hockeybub89 posted... But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action. This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed" Did you even read the post? I don't think he did. That post was actually a rather good explanation on why you can't have both and it HAS to be one or the other. Did you guys even read the OP? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910475752] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbreakable posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But only 1 perspective can be supported with legislation. One side has to win out. You can't really compromise anymore than you can compromise between taking a shit and not taking a shit. If everyone just respected all views equally, we wouldn't even have a society. There have to be winners and losers when it comes to actually putting ideas into action.</quote> This post is exactly what I'm talking about. "The other side is a mysgonistic piece of shit side. No other explanation needed"</quote> Did you even read the post?</quote> I don't think he did. That post was actually a rather good explanation on why you can't have both and it HAS to be one or the other.</quote> Did you guys even read the OP?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 10/13/18 6:49:13 PM #17:	Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. Neither side has the moral high-ground, this debate has no "hero" as both sides are "monstrous" in the eyes of the other as it all comes down to whether you care more about the woman or the "child". The key difference though is that pro-choice owes up to their dismissal of the "child", to the point we readily won't even acknowledge it as truly human, whereas pro-life does the same to the woman, but still likes to pretend this somehow makes them good and righteous. At the end of the day, both sides are willfully dehumanizing and disposing of something, it's just a matter of whether or not you can be honest with that fact. I can be, so I remain pro-choice no matter what arguments exist against it, and morality as a whole be damned as it pertains to this debate. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:910475846] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh.</quote> Neither side has the moral high-ground, this debate has no "hero" as both sides are "monstrous" in the eyes of the other as it all comes down to whether you care more about the woman or the "child". The key difference though is that pro-choice owes up to their dismissal of the "child", to the point we readily won't even acknowledge it as truly human, whereas pro-life does the same to the woman, but still likes to pretend this somehow makes them good and righteous. At the end of the day, both sides are willfully dehumanizing and disposing of something, it's just a matter of whether or not you can be honest with that fact. I can be, so I remain pro-choice no matter what arguments exist against it, and morality as a whole be damned as it pertains to this debate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 10/13/18 6:50:58 PM #18:	Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though --- https://i.imgtc.com/jUodQdE.jpg <cite>YUHH posted [p:910475932] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is technically genocide by definition though</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 10/13/18 6:56:35 PM #19:	I would agree that saying pro-lifers are misogynistic is kinda hyperbolic, but they really don't help themselves when they try to pass laws like forcing women to get a sonogram before getting an abortion, making a woman who was raped get consent from the rapist before she can get an abortion, or making them personally bury the remains of an aborted fetus. What reason is there to make those kind of laws other than to be cruel? --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:910476209] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>I would agree that saying pro-lifers are misogynistic is kinda hyperbolic, but they really don't help themselves when they try to pass laws like forcing women to get a sonogram before getting an abortion, making a woman who was raped get consent from the rapist before she can get an abortion, or making them personally bury the remains of an aborted fetus. What reason is there to make those kind of laws other than to be cruel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 10/13/18 6:59:45 PM #20:	jborgan posted... I would agree that saying pro-lifers are misogynistic is kinda hyperbolic, but they really don't help themselves when they try to pass laws like forcing women to get a sonogram before getting an abortion, making a woman who was raped get consent from the rapist before she can get an abortion, or making them personally bury the remains of an aborted fetus. What reason is there to make those kind of laws other than to be cruel? Ding ding ding --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:910476352] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>jborgan posted...</cite> <quote>I would agree that saying pro-lifers are misogynistic is kinda hyperbolic, but they really don't help themselves when they try to pass laws like forcing women to get a sonogram before getting an abortion, making a woman who was raped get consent from the rapist before she can get an abortion, or making them personally bury the remains of an aborted fetus. What reason is there to make those kind of laws other than to be cruel?</quote> Ding ding ding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 8:13:19 PM #21:	YUHH posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910479842] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though</quote> </quote> genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 10/13/18 8:49:52 PM #23:	Howl posted... YUHH posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide. That's not what genocide is by any serious academic definition. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910481508] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though</quote> </quote> genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide.</quote> That's not what genocide is by any serious academic definition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 10/13/18 8:50:55 PM #24:	Howl posted... YUHH posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide. --- https://i.imgtc.com/jUodQdE.jpg <cite>YUHH posted [p:910481554] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though</quote> </quote> genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 9:04:16 PM #25:	ChainedRedone posted... Howl posted... YUHH posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide. That's not what genocide is by any serious academic definition. What does that even mean? I posted the literal definition of the word. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910482116] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though </quote> </quote> genocide noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Deliberately killing a large group of people is what abortion is. By definition abortion is genocide.</quote> That's not what genocide is by any serious academic definition.</quote> What does that even mean? I posted the literal definition of the word.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 10/13/18 9:11:57 PM #26:	My view is that abortion should be legal. It is a moral grey area (when exactly should a fetus be considered a human?) and there are many societal downsides to making it illegal. However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You may not believe in God, but if you get an abortion or support your gf/wife in getting an abortion you will surely have to answer for that after you die. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:910482477] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>My view is that abortion should be legal. It is a moral grey area (when exactly should a fetus be considered a human?) and there are many societal downsides to making it illegal. However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You may not believe in God, but if you get an abortion or support your gf/wife in getting an abortion you will surely have to answer for that after you die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/13/18 9:14:16 PM #27:	Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:910482590] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh.</quote> If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/13/18 9:14:29 PM #28:	Damn_Underscore posted... However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You may not believe in God, but if you get an abortion or support your gf/wife in getting an abortion you will surely have to answer for that after you die. This assumes that--even if there is an afterlife--it is that sort of afterlife. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910482598] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>However, just because you can doesn't mean you should. You may not believe in God, but if you get an abortion or support your gf/wife in getting an abortion you will surely have to answer for that after you die.</quote> This assumes that--even if there is an afterlife--it is that sort of afterlife.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbreakable 10/13/18 9:15:10 PM #29:	Damn_Underscore posted... you will surely have to answer for that after you die. Not if there is no God, which is by far the most likely scenario. I honestly don't get how believing there's an all powerful being who even controls you after you die is still so prevalent. --- But Wait... there's more <cite>Unbreakable posted [p:910482622] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>you will surely have to answer for that after you die.</quote> Not if there is no God, which is by far the most likely scenario. I honestly don't get how believing there's an all powerful being who even controls you after you die is still so prevalent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 10/13/18 9:19:36 PM #30:	OK, then you have to answer to your own conscious. If you have no other viable choice than to get an abortion, then that is doable. But obviously all abortions aren't the only viable choice. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:910482838] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>OK, then you have to answer to your own conscious. If you have no other viable choice than to get an abortion, then that is doable. But obviously all abortions aren't the only viable choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 10/13/18 10:02:54 PM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910484924] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh.</quote> If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite.</quote> @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 10:05:50 PM #32:	ChainedRedone posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one. I don't understand why you would think I would be against using such a term as it is true by definition. The fact that it is true really has no relation to anything I've posted in this topic and does not in any way refute anything that I've said. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910485054] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. </quote> If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. </quote> @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one.</quote> I don't understand why you would think I would be against using such a term as it is true by definition. The fact that it is true really has no relation to anything I've posted in this topic and does not in any way refute anything that I've said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 10/13/18 10:11:40 PM #35:	Conflict posted... What's more braindead Every post you've ever made. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910485363] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>What's more braindead </quote> Every post you've ever made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/13/18 10:16:13 PM #36:	Conflict posted... darkjedilink saying that anti-discrimination laws are basically slavery What. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910485605] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>darkjedilink saying that anti-discrimination laws are basically slavery</quote> What.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 10/13/18 10:18:38 PM #40:	ChainedRedone posted... Did you guys even read the OP? The post you responded to had nothing to do with demonizing one side or the other, only stating, quite factually, that one of them has to win out. So, again, did you even read it before getting pissy over nothing? --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:910485731] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Did you guys even read the OP?</quote> The post you responded to had nothing to do with demonizing one side or the other, only stating, quite factually, that one of them has to win out. So, again, did you even read it before getting pissy over nothing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 10:20:49 PM #41:	Conflict posted... Hairistotle posted... Conflict posted... What's more braindead Howl saying abortion is genocide or darkjedilink saying that anti-discrimination laws are basically slavery theyre both trolls so it doesnt matter. the point of those statements is to be dumb I don't even think so, that's the scary part. I think they legitimately believe the insane shit they post I think you legitimately believe that what I've posted is incorrect but have no actual argument or even have thought for a second why what I've posted is wrong. That does not ever stop you from having meltdowns over it and freaking out everytime I tell you that you can't argue against what I've posted though. Your normal tactic is just to: 1. Insult me, in this case it's calling what I've posted insane. 2. Double down on #1 without adding anything else. 3. Leave the topic entirely. It's really pathetic that you do this over and over. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910485838] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote> What's more braindead Howl saying abortion is genocide or darkjedilink saying that anti-discrimination laws are basically slavery </quote> theyre both trolls so it doesnt matter. the point of those statements is to be dumb </quote> I don't even think so, that's the scary part. I think they legitimately believe the insane shit they post</quote> I think you legitimately believe that what I've posted is incorrect but have no actual argument or even have thought for a second why what I've posted is wrong. That does not ever stop you from having meltdowns over it and freaking out everytime I tell you that you can't argue against what I've posted though. Your normal tactic is just to: 1. Insult me, in this case it's calling what I've posted insane. 2. Double down on #1 without adding anything else. 3. Leave the topic entirely. It's really pathetic that you do this over and over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 10/13/18 10:23:11 PM #43:	Conflict posted... Lol, now the guy's getting upset because I'm joining in on literally everyone else in the topic in pointing out how insanely stupid "Abortions are genocide" is. Lol literally just moved on to #2 exactly how I described and didn't even notice that that's what he did. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910485962] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, now the guy's getting upset because I'm joining in on literally everyone else in the topic in pointing out how insanely stupid "Abortions are genocide" is.</quote> Lol literally just moved on to #2 exactly how I described and didn't even notice that that's what he did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 10/13/18 10:24:03 PM #44:	BLAKUboy posted... ChainedRedone posted... Did you guys even read the OP? The post you responded to had nothing to do with demonizing one side or the other, only stating, quite factually, that one of them has to win out. So, again, did you even read it before getting pissy over nothing? And the OP never had anything to do with whether you can legislate both. How braindead do you have to be to go to a political discussion and point out "guys, one side has to win!" What's the point of such a post, I'm legitimately curious. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910486003] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Did you guys even read the OP?</quote> The post you responded to had nothing to do with demonizing one side or the other, only stating, quite factually, that one of them has to win out. So, again, did you even read it before getting pissy over nothing?</quote> And the OP never had anything to do with whether you can legislate both. How braindead do you have to be to go to a political discussion and point out "guys, one side has to win!" What's the point of such a post, I'm legitimately curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 10/13/18 10:27:36 PM #47:	This topic sure took an interesting turn --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:910486170] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>This topic sure took an interesting turn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/13/18 10:31:57 PM #49:	Howl posted... ChainedRedone posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Howl posted... Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one. I don't understand why you would think I would be against using such a term as it is true by definition. The fact that it is true really has no relation to anything I've posted in this topic and does not in any way refute anything that I've said. Because killing parasites isn't genocide. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:910486401] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Abortion is technically genocide by definition though, so there's not really winning the morality portion of the argument for the pro-choice side tbh. </quote> If you're going to get fucky with "definitions" than I'm just going to say a fetus is a parasite. </quote> @Howl Let's see how Mr. Genocide reacts to this one.</quote> I don't understand why you would think I would be against using such a term as it is true by definition. The fact that it is true really has no relation to anything I've posted in this topic and does not in any way refute anything that I've said.</quote> Because killing parasites isn't genocide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 10/13/18 10:32:25 PM #50:	Howl's also said that women who are proud of getting an abortion are just as bad as ISIS terrorists, so yeah, definitely no stranger to saying really dumb things. --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:910486433] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote>Howl's also said that women who are proud of getting an abortion are just as bad as ISIS terrorists, so yeah, definitely no stranger to saying really dumb things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/13/18 10:32:26 PM #51:	Conflict posted... Every time you post that stupid shit you get destroyed, whether it's by me, or one of the countless individuals on here who find that shit stupid. You already had your shit picked apart before I even posted in here. If you need someone to explain to you why it's stupid every single time you make that incredibly stupid statement, then that's more of a sign of your impressively low cognitive ability and God help the kid you're apparently raising. Once again you literally have not answered why it's incorrect and just continued to insult me. You have never once offered an answer to why it's wrong or even made any attempt to make an argument for why it's wrong. You've literally done this exact same thing every time. I'm actually surprised you haven't left this topic yet as you certainly will. Let me reiterate your argument against me for you so I can spare you the time of reposting the same invalid crap over and over again. Your argument is that abortion is obviously not genocide and it's insane to call it as such. My argument is that the definition of genocide applies directly to abortion by definition. You have never offered a rebuttal to such argument and the only argument anyone iti has made is "no serious academic definition of genocide would apply to abortion." No serious academic definition? That doesn't even make any sense. What's the difference between what I said and a serious "academic definition". A definition is by namesake the definition of a word. Anyway I'm sure you'll run away now as always. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910486434] in As a pro-c... [t:77094558]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote> Every time you post that stupid shit you get destroyed, whether it's by me, or one of the countless individuals on here who find that shit stupid. You already had your shit picked apart before I even posted in here. If you need someone to explain to you why it's stupid every single time you make that incredibly stupid statement, then that's more of a sign of your impressively low cognitive ability and God help the kid you're apparently raising.</quote> Once again you literally have not answered why it's incorrect and just continued to insult me. You have never once offered an answer to why it's wrong or even made any attempt to make an argument for why it's wrong. You've literally done this exact same thing every time. I'm actually surprised you haven't left this topic yet as you certainly will. Let me reiterate your argument against me for you so I can spare you the time of reposting the same invalid crap over and over again. Your argument is that abortion is obviously not genocide and it's insane to call it as such. My argument is that the definition of genocide applies directly to abortion by definition. You have never offered a rebuttal to such argument and the only argument anyone iti has made is "no serious academic definition of genocide would apply to abortion." No serious academic definition? That doesn't even make any sense. What's the difference between what I said and a serious "academic definition". A definition is by namesake the definition of a word. Anyway I'm sure you'll run away now as always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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