Current Events > Two more people mauled by pit bulls in Cleveland

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http://amp.news5cleveland.com/2892951437/cle-pit-bull-attack-residents-suffer-significant-injuries-protecting-neighborhood-children.html

Two residents in Cleveland's West 58th Street neighborhood suffered significant injuries, while protecting neighborhood children from an Oct. 7 pit bull attack.

Becky Barker and Jay Anderson responded after hearing the screams of children who were being chased by three pit bulls they said were part of a one hour rampage in their neighborhood.

Barker told News 5 the pit bulls had children trapped on top of a car that was parked in front of her home, and when she stepped out to help, the pit bulls bit her multiple times in three areas of her body.

"They could have killed me, they really could have, if they would kept ripping me open like they did," Barker said.

"The children were screaming, and the dogs are just like clawing up this ladies car to get at these kids," she said.

Jay Anderson also suffered several dog bites on the backs of his legs and back.

Anderson said he tried to use a screwdriver to fend-off the attacking dogs, but one of the dogs was able to disarm him.

"Just terrible, it was a horrible thing, kind of scary," Anderson said.

"So I turned around and looked at the dog that took my screwdriver, and a second one started attacking me" he said.

Cleveland EMS, the fire department, and the Cleveland dog warden responded to the scene.

Residents told News 5 the owner of the dogs was cited, and one of the pit bulls was confiscated.

According to city law, the owner could be fined up to $1,000, but Barker believes the irresponsible owner should face even tougher penalties.

"It isn't the breed of the animal, it's the owners of these animals that have them," Barker said.

"The owner of these dogs they should be held accountable, and really pay for what they did," she said.

News 5 contacted the City of Cleveland about the case, but it said it couldn't comment on an on-going investigation.

So these pit bulls mauled two people and put an entire neighborhood and its children at risk, and at most the owners might be liable for a $1000 fine? Seriously?

When are we going to start holding this destructive breed - and more importantly, these terrible owners - accountable? This kind of gross negligence deserves a probation sentence, if not a stint in jail.
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Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

the bait has been set

Ban the pits
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ugly shit dogs
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iClockwork posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

the bait has been set

Its not bait. Its facts.
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iClockwork posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

the bait has been set

it was set in the original post. every pitbull topic on CE gets 100+ posts of stupid arguing
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

iClockwork posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

the bait has been set

Its not bait. Its facts.

oh yeah yeah my bad, facts

;)

Imagine losing your screwdriver to a dog. They don't even have thumbs, what they gonna use it for?!

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

and this applies to any dog breed equally
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iClockwork posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

iClockwork posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

the bait has been set

Its not bait. Its facts.

oh yeah yeah my bad, facts

;)

Shut the fuck up troll.

https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls

tl;dr - people who breed and raise their dogs to be a piece of shit will likely have dogs that are a piece of shit. People who breed and raise their dogs to be friendly will likely have dogs that are friendly.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

that's right.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

tl;dr - people who breed and raise their dogs to be a piece of shit will likely have dogs that are a piece of shit. People who breed and raise their dogs to be friendly will likely have dogs that are friendly.

Its like raising a kid then?
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SH_expert44 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

tl;dr - people who breed and raise their dogs to be a piece of shit will likely have dogs that are a piece of shit. People who breed and raise their dogs to be friendly will likely have dogs that are friendly.

Its like raising a kid then?

yeah, the shitty dog owners probably had shitty parents
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I don't even trust when the media calls a dog a pit bull. It's probably not even a pit breed.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So these pit bulls mauled two people and put an entire neighborhood and its children at risk, and at most the owners might be liable for a $1000 fine?

No. They will most likely be sued and be liable for much, much more damages. Criminal penalties=/=civil penalties. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
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Were not detroit!!
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

Yeah I think the penalties for negligent owners like this should absolutely be much harsher. A $1000 fine is a joke for a situation like this. The two people that got mauled could easily have been killed, not to mention the children that the dogs were terrorizing before the adults stepped in.

That said I think we also still need to recognize that pits and other large, powerful breeds are exponentially more dangerous than an average dog, and need to be regulated accordingly.
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where's the bingo card i think i already have bingo
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

That said I think we also still need to recognize that pits and other large, powerful breeds are exponentially more dangerous than an average dog, and need to be regulated accordingly.

No.
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Nice
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

Not all guns are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.
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People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

ProfessorKukui posted...

Imagine losing your screwdriver to a dog. They don't even have thumbs, what they gonna use it for?!

I fully expected the next sentence to be "and then the pit bull pulled out a gun".

Also, the victims even state they don't blame the dogs, but something tells me that won't stop CE.
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vocedelmorte posted...

People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

If you say so

I've met many pitbulls that were lovable and harmless. Because they were trained right.

Seems dumb to want to cull the breed because of idiot owners.
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vocedelmorte posted...

People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

Yep, plenty of stories out there of pitbulls being raised right by loving families and someone still ends up dead or crippled or disfigured because it snapped for no reason.
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voldothegr8 posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

Yep, plenty of stories out there of pitbulls being raised right by loving families and someone still ends up dead or crippled or disfigured because it snapped for no reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVR485txX8" data-time="
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vocedelmorte posted...

Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

Source?
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voldothegr8 posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

Yep, plenty of stories out there of pitbulls being raised right by loving families and someone still ends up dead or crippled or disfigured because it snapped for no reason.

Thats the exact problem with them. They can never show any sign of aggression, but then just snap out of nowhere cause thats in their genetic code for generations. They were bred as figthings dogs and less aggressive species even wasn't allowd to breed

andel posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Not all pit bulls are dangerous. Just ones with shitty owners who should be held more accountable.

and this applies to any dog breed equally

Yeah you really gotta watch out for those roaming packs of yorkies and chihuahuas.
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"We need to regulate guns, a tool that people have total agency over while it's in their control, but dogs that can lash out at any moment? Let them roam freely."
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Ugh these topics are just troll bait
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yall realize most pit bulls that people own arent even pure breeds, let alone if they have any pit in them at all.

any dog can be aggressive and violent. i was almost killed by a german shepherd who just snapped for no reason (but he was an ex cop dog).

quit being racist.
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Animals of peace
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UnfairRepresent posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

People who saying that pitbulls are the same as any other breed, but just have shitty owners, are sentimental fools.
Pitbulls have genetic predisposition to aggressive behaviour

Yep, plenty of stories out there of pitbulls being raised right by loving families and someone still ends up dead or crippled or disfigured because it snapped for no reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVR485txX8" data-time="

SpongeBob is a fictional cartoon character and a video of him is not a relevant response to a discussion about Pit bull attacks.
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@SSJCAT posted...

any dog can be aggressive and violent

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"Guys, just because they look like ducks, act like ducks, quack like ducks, I assure you they're not genetically pure breed ducks, that's a distinction that matters!!!!!"
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One disarmed a man while the other attacked. Theyre evolving!
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Is there actually anyone here advocating for destroying all pitbulls?
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Fossil posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

That said I think we also still need to recognize that pits and other large, powerful breeds are exponentially more dangerous than an average dog, and need to be regulated accordingly.

No.

Might I ask why you disagree @Fossil? Its especially telling of your stubborn, close-minded disposition that youve wholeheartedly rejected this without even knowing what I would suggest.

As a society, weve decided to regulate things that can be dangerous to more than just the people who partake. Driving a car, owning a gun, and operating heavy machinery are just a few of the things that are regulated thanks to the potential danger they pose if not undertaken by people with can meet a minimum level of responsibility and understanding.

Why should owning a pit bull be any different? Endless stories like these demonstrate that negligent, thoughtless owners put countless lives at risk every day. To own a pit bull (or any other large, potentially deadly breed) I would propose that aspiring owners would need to pass a basic safety course showing that they can handle their animals responsibly.

After obtaining their license to own deadly dogs, I would impose very low tolerance for negligent behavior. If a minor incident arises - like the owner carelessly allowing their pit to get loose, but no one gets attacked - the owner gets one warning. If a subsequent event like that happens, their dangerous animal license is suspended for a number of years, if not indefinitely until they can prove that theyre fit to own pits again.

Measures like this would not only help keep the public safe, but would also clean up the bad reputation of pits. If pit bull apologists are correct in saying that bad owners are the problem, then taking action against the bad owners should be an effective solution.

This doesnt seem like an unreasonable course of action. There wouldnt be any wholesale ban on pits, and the good, careful owners would still be free to keep their dangerous animals responsibly. Thoughts?
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ban the bull
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Might I ask why you disagree @Fossil? Its especially telling of your stubborn, close-minded disposition that youve wholeheartedly rejected this without even knowing what I would suggest.

The last thing we need is more regulation on things people don't understand. The breed isn't the problem, it's the owners. When you have a breed as well known as the Pitbull (which isn't an actual breed) for being aggressive, that creates the mindset in every potential dog owner of what to expect. Especially those with the sole intention of owning a Pit simply for protecting the house. Lots of people do it. When you buy a dog and leave it chained up all day, what do you expect? A dog grown up in that environment is obviously going to be unhinged, aggressive and know any better. But guess what? Same exact thing could be said for people (I'm still waiting for vocedelmorte to post his source, btw).

People buy certain breeds of dogs generally because of what is suggested to them. You want a good family dog? Golden Retriever, Black Lab, German Shepherd, etc. How about a farm dog good for herding? Australian Sherpherd. How about a dog for protection? Rottweiler, Pitbull, Boxer, etc. That's my point is that people already have a predisposition towards the breed of dog they are going to get. So is it unusual that Pitbull is ranked high up the list of dog bites? No, actually it's not when you consider the role a Pitbull is expected to play.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steffen-baldwin/the-lies-damn-lies-and-st_b_8112394.html

Good informative article regarding Pitbulls.

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As a society, weve decided to regulate things that can be dangerous to more than just the people who partake. Driving a car, owning a gun, and operating heavy machinery are just a few of the things that are regulated thanks to the potential danger they pose if not undertaken by people with can meet a minimum level of responsibility and understanding.

Let's be honest for one second, there's not enough regulation on owning a vehicle or a gun. It's easy to get your license and easy to pay money to carry a gun. Just because you pass a basic course of driving around a block or learning what a safety is doesn't mean you're qualified to handle either. It's just an old archaic system in place that leads to countless deaths every year due to negligence, improper training and handling or quite simply, a lack of intelligence that should've banned you from doing either thing from the get go. There needs to be a complete reform on testing for both things, imo.
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