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Ryetoast 10/04/18 6:04:37 PM #1:	By 1530 the native population is estimated to be less than 200.. Think about that next time you're celebrating your day off on Indigenous People's day! --- The user formerly known as 626 <cite>Ryetoast posted [p:909965318] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>By 1530 the native population is estimated to be less than 200.. Think about that next time you're celebrating your day off on Indigenous People's day!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 10/04/18 6:05:17 PM #2:	White people in "colonizing" shocker! <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:909965347] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>White people in "colonizing" shocker!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Two_Dee 10/04/18 6:05:39 PM #3:	i wish i got off school on columbo day --- https://imgur.com/Pn74HRp <cite>Two_Dee posted [p:909965366] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>i wish i got off school on columbo day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/04/18 6:05:52 PM #4:	Yea Columbus was an asshole <cite>Zikten posted [p:909965379] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>Yea Columbus was an asshole</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryetoast 10/04/18 6:05:56 PM #5:	ArchiePeck posted... White people in "colonizing" shocker! You WON"T BELIEVE THIS STORY! --- The user formerly known as 626 <cite>Ryetoast posted [p:909965383] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>White people in "colonizing" shocker!</quote> You WON"T BELIEVE THIS STORY!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:06:21 PM #6:	To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909965403] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kuwab0 10/04/18 6:06:46 PM #7:	ArchiePeck posted... White people in "colonizing" shocker! The Spanish are Black --- https://imgur.com/QfpP05s https://imgur.com/vdnZ1o6 https://imgur.com/zTgf822 <cite>kuwab0 posted [p:909965420] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>White people in "colonizing" shocker!</quote> The Spanish are Black</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryetoast 10/04/18 6:08:34 PM #8:	K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. I was gonna extend the topic to whether you think Columbus committed genoicide, but I didn't want to open that whole can of worms. If you go by the definition of Genocide it's "Intentional", but yes like you said Ferdinand and Isabelle did try to protect the natives as much as possible. --- The user formerly known as 626 <cite>Ryetoast posted [p:909965494] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> I was gonna extend the topic to whether you think Columbus committed genoicide, but I didn't want to open that whole can of worms. If you go by the definition of Genocide it's "Intentional", but yes like you said Ferdinand and Isabelle did try to protect the natives as much as possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:09:41 PM #9:	Ryetoast posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. like you said Que? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909965543] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryetoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> like you said</quote> Que?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryetoast 10/04/18 6:10:18 PM #10:	K181 posted... Ryetoast posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. like you said Que? I meant to add.. --- The user formerly known as 626 <cite>Ryetoast posted [p:909965572] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryetoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> like you said</quote> Que?</quote> I meant to add..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 10/04/18 6:10:32 PM #11:	before the late 19th century and even into it the entire world was down with conquest and colonization, europe just did it by far the most effectively --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:909965587] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>before the late 19th century and even into it the entire world was down with conquest and colonization, europe just did it by far the most effectively</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:11:38 PM #12:	K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909965643] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 10/04/18 6:14:27 PM #13:	andel posted... before the late 19th century and even into it the entire world was down with conquest and colonization, europe just did it by far the most effectively Yep, one of Japan's many mistakes in World War II was thinking to world would look the other way while they colonized their neighbors, because they were aware of the attitude that was displayed before when Europeans did it. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:909965778] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>before the late 19th century and even into it the entire world was down with conquest and colonization, europe just did it by far the most effectively</quote> Yep, one of Japan's many mistakes in World War II was thinking to world would look the other way while they colonized their neighbors, because they were aware of the attitude that was displayed before when Europeans did it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:20:56 PM #14:	EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909966093] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:21:58 PM #15:	K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. Diseases brought by the white people. --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909966140] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> Diseases brought by the white people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:27:59 PM #16:	EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. Diseases brought by the white people. Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909966460] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> Diseases brought by the white people.</quote> Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:30:51 PM #17:	K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. Diseases brought by the white people. Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans. The diseases mostly started after the conquests. Coincidence? --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909966630] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> Diseases brought by the white people.</quote> Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans.</quote> The diseases mostly started after the conquests. Coincidence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 10/04/18 6:32:47 PM #18:	Ryetoast posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. I was gonna extend the topic to whether you think Columbus committed genoicide, but I didn't want to open that whole can of worms. If you go by the definition of Genocide it's "Intentional", but yes like you said Ferdinand and Isabelle did try to protect the natives as much as possible. Well, Isabelle did, anyway. All of the New World colonies were technically under the auspices of the Crowns of Castille and Leon(i.e. hers). (On a side note, the fact that he was essentially the junior partner of the union really bothered Ferdinand, enough that Isabelle always made sure his name was placed before hers in official documents and decress). In any case, they did not and could not do very much about it. Emperor Charles V also ordered Pizarro not to harm Atahualpa(Charles was all about the divine right of kings, so even though Atahaulpa was a heathen, Charles still believed he was the divinely-appointed leader of the Inca). Also, while it's true Europeans had little to do with most of the natives dying, their treatment of them was undeniably brutal to the point that even some contemporary observers were horrified and disgusted. And it's well-documented. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:909966744] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryetoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> I was gonna extend the topic to whether you think Columbus committed genoicide, but I didn't want to open that whole can of worms. If you go by the definition of Genocide it's "Intentional", but yes like you said Ferdinand and Isabelle did try to protect the natives as much as possible.</quote> Well, Isabelle did, anyway. All of the New World colonies were technically under the auspices of the Crowns of Castille and Leon(i.e. hers). (On a side note, the fact that he was essentially the junior partner of the union really bothered Ferdinand, enough that Isabelle always made sure his name was placed before hers in official documents and decress). In any case, they did not and could not do very much about it. Emperor Charles V also ordered Pizarro not to harm Atahualpa(Charles was all about the divine right of kings, so even though Atahaulpa was a heathen, Charles still believed he was the divinely-appointed leader of the Inca). Also, while it's true Europeans had little to do with most of the natives dying, their treatment of them was undeniably brutal to the point that even some contemporary observers were horrified and disgusted. And it's well-documented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 10/04/18 6:34:24 PM #19:	K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. Diseases brought by the white people. Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans. This. Keep in mind: These diseases were decimating people who had had lots of exposure to them and built up a significant degree of resistance. You don't need to be a genius to see what'll happen when the slightest trace of it meets a population with zero previous encounters with it, and thus zero resistance whatsoever. --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:909966832] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> Diseases brought by the white people.</quote> Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans.</quote> This. Keep in mind: These diseases were decimating people who had had lots of exposure to them and built up a significant degree of resistance. You don't need to be a genius to see what'll happen when the slightest trace of it meets a population with zero previous encounters with it, and thus zero resistance whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 10/04/18 6:34:25 PM #20:	I haven't had it off in years lol --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:909966835] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>I haven't had it off in years lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/04/18 6:35:46 PM #21:	K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Diseases that were willfully spread by colonizers and made worse by actions like forced migration, purposely slaughtering indigenous food supplies, and forcefully removing children from their homes for 'education'. So ... <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:909966910] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Diseases that were willfully spread by colonizers and made worse by actions like forced migration, purposely slaughtering indigenous food supplies, and forcefully removing children from their homes for 'education'. So ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:36:25 PM #22:	Butterfiles posted... I haven't had it off in years lol Incel? --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909966949] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>Butterfiles posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't had it off in years lol</quote> Incel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:37:36 PM #23:	EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... EliteLevel posted... K181 posted... To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority. Damage control. Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there. Diseases brought by the white people. Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans. The diseases mostly started after the conquests. Coincidence? Not even remotely the case. For a few Caribbean islands and the Aztecs, maybe, though diseaes were a big factor even in those, but beyond that the diseases spread out of control following limited interactions. The pre-Columbian Mississippian culture made limited contact with the Spanish along the gulf coast and when the Spanish came back a few years later, they were all fucking gone. And that contact lead to a spread of infections throughout North America, eradicating entire people long before they even heard of Europeans. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909967018] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the whites only intentionally murdered a fraction of the lost population. The diseases killed the vast, vast majority.</quote> Damage control.</quote> Not really, whites were murderous assholes back then, but the diseases are the reason why something like 95% of the population died. Hell, I'm part Afrikaner, there's plenty of very recent historical guilt there.</quote> Diseases brought by the white people.</quote> Yes, but aside from the British giving smallpox blankets to one tribe, the vast majority of that was not an intentional infection or anything. Most tribes were annihilated by smallpox and TB and other diseases long before they even made contact with Europeans.</quote> The diseases mostly started after the conquests. Coincidence?</quote> Not even remotely the case. For a few Caribbean islands and the Aztecs, maybe, though diseaes were a big factor even in those, but beyond that the diseases spread out of control following limited interactions. The pre-Columbian Mississippian culture made limited contact with the Spanish along the gulf coast and when the Spanish came back a few years later, they were all fucking gone. And that contact lead to a spread of infections throughout North America, eradicating entire people long before they even heard of Europeans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 10/04/18 6:38:24 PM #24:	Wah wah humans advance and conquer --- Fear the Beast / she will return > https://tinyurl.com/yb2parlb https://imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:909967068] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>Wah wah humans advance and conquer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xMythic 10/04/18 6:39:34 PM #25:	Anyone interested in the history of colonization of the Americas should read about the Doctrine of Discovery and the Treaty of Tordesillas. Very interesting stuff. --- GT: xMythic Go Gators! <cite>xMythic posted [p:909967149] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote>Anyone interested in the history of colonization of the Americas should read about the Doctrine of Discovery and the Treaty of Tordesillas. Very interesting stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 10/04/18 6:40:20 PM #26:	ManBeast462 posted... Wah wah humans advance and conquer Dude, the depopulation of the Americas is without equal and almost assuredly the single greatest human tragedy in history. Debate over responsibility and intent are completely valid, and downplaying their significance is outright idiotic. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:909967205] in So the nat... [t:77067788]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManBeast462 posted...</cite> <quote>Wah wah humans advance and conquer</quote> Dude, the depopulation of the Americas is without equal and almost assuredly the single greatest human tragedy in history. Debate over responsibility and intent are completely valid, and downplaying their significance is outright idiotic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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