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ledbowman 10/01/18 5:12:38 PM #51:	nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... It's called being a bad person. Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing. She has presented credible evidence. Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those. The evidence she has presented is credible. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909781859] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote> It's called being a bad person.</quote> Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing.</quote> She has presented credible evidence.</quote> Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those.</quote> The evidence she has presented is credible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 5:19:45 PM #52:	ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... It's called being a bad person. Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing. She has presented credible evidence. Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those. The evidence she has presented is credible. Nope. Not a single person exists who can confirm it happened. The only one person who could says she is unable to corroborate it at all, but "still believes her account." That's a whole lot of nothing. The other people can only corroborate on the idea that she has been talking about an assault for several years now, but do not have any details that can help the idea of the actual assault. She is without anything other than her own word, which is not enough to put someone in jail or get them labeled as an attempted rapist for a job interview. <cite>nemu posted [p:909782219] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote> It's called being a bad person.</quote> Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing.</quote> She has presented credible evidence.</quote> Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those.</quote> The evidence she has presented is credible.</quote> Nope. Not a single person exists who can confirm it happened. The only one person who could says she is unable to corroborate it at all, but "still believes her account." That's a whole lot of nothing. The other people can only corroborate on the idea that she has been talking about an assault for several years now, but do not have any details that can help the idea of the actual assault. She is without anything other than her own word, which is not enough to put someone in jail or get them labeled as an attempted rapist for a job interview.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 5:24:10 PM #53:	nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... It's called being a bad person. Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing. She has presented credible evidence. Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those. The evidence she has presented is credible. Nope. Not a single person exists who can confirm it happened. The only one person who could says she is unable to corroborate it at all, but "still believes her account." That's a whole lot of nothing. The other people can only corroborate on the idea that she has been talking about an assault for several years now, but do not have any details that can help the idea of the actual assault. She is without anything other than her own word, which is not enough to put someone in jail or get them labeled as an attempted rapist for a job interview. That's not all the evidence. Here's more: Ford says she did not talk about the allegations with anyone until 2012, during a couples therapy session with her husband. She provided the Post with notes from therapy sessions in 2012 and 2013 when she described a sexual assault that she experienced while she was in high school. In these notes Kavanaugh is not named, but Ford describes an attack by students from an elite boys school. These students are now highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington, she said. Ford also took a polygraph test, which indicated the veracity of her claims. (Its worth noting that the reliability of polygraph tests has been heavily scrutinized in recent years.) Fords husband confirms, too, that she mentioned the attack in their 2012 therapy sessions. He said he recalled her mentioning Kavanaugh by last name. Friends of Fords have said shes spoken about the attack and note that theyve witnessed the lasting impact its had on her life. Jim Gensheimer told the Los Angeles Times that Ford discussed her struggle to come forward with him in early July and added that Ford was averse to purchasing a master bedroom that does not have a second exit. Obviously, something happened that traumatized her so much that shes afraid of being trapped, Gensheimer said. On Wednesday, Ford entered four sworn statements into the record from her husband and three close friends, which show that shes been telling the same story for years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX_w_6XZHMo" data-time=" --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909782440] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote> It's called being a bad person.</quote> Once again, better than being a bleeding heart. Beyond being nice to a victim you personally know and keeping basic human decency with victims of any crime, "listen and believe" is a crock of shit. Not believing someone who has presented no credible evidence is not a bad thing.</quote> She has presented credible evidence.</quote> Nope. Time, date, place, corroborator, one of the assailants admitting to it, etc. Those are credible. She has none of those.</quote> The evidence she has presented is credible.</quote> Nope. Not a single person exists who can confirm it happened. The only one person who could says she is unable to corroborate it at all, but "still believes her account." That's a whole lot of nothing. The other people can only corroborate on the idea that she has been talking about an assault for several years now, but do not have any details that can help the idea of the actual assault. She is without anything other than her own word, which is not enough to put someone in jail or get them labeled as an attempted rapist for a job interview.</quote> That's not all the evidence. Here's more: Ford says she did not talk about the allegations with anyone until 2012, during a couples therapy session with her husband. She provided the Post with notes from therapy sessions in 2012 and 2013 when she described a sexual assault that she experienced while she was in high school. In these notes Kavanaugh is not named, but Ford describes an attack by students from an elite boys school. These students are now highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington, she said. Ford also took a polygraph test, which indicated the veracity of her claims. (Its worth noting that the reliability of polygraph tests has been heavily scrutinized in recent years.) Fords husband confirms, too, that she mentioned the attack in their 2012 therapy sessions. He said he recalled her mentioning Kavanaugh by last name. Friends of Fords have said shes spoken about the attack and note that theyve witnessed the lasting impact its had on her life. Jim Gensheimer told the Los Angeles Times that Ford discussed her struggle to come forward with him in early July and added that Ford was averse to purchasing a master bedroom that does not have a second exit. Obviously, something happened that traumatized her so much that shes afraid of being trapped, Gensheimer said. On Wednesday, Ford entered four sworn statements into the record from her husband and three close friends, which show that shes been telling the same story for years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX_w_6XZHMo" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 5:29:02 PM #54:	Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Any insane person could start going to therapy and telling loved ones things. You need a person who can put them at the same place at the same time at very minimum. Polygraphs are complete bunk and prove nothing, daytime TV fodder at best. Even if they weren't bunk, she was only asked two broad questions. Show me a test where she is gone over at length on every little detail. <cite>nemu posted [p:909782677] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote>Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Any insane person could start going to therapy and telling loved ones things. You need a person who can put them at the same place at the same time at very minimum. Polygraphs are complete bunk and prove nothing, daytime TV fodder at best. Even if they weren't bunk, she was only asked two broad questions. Show me a test where she is gone over at length on every little detail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 5:32:47 PM #55:	nemu posted... Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Yes it does. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909782860] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story.</quote> Yes it does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 10/01/18 5:35:33 PM #56:	Shes made almost $1 million dollars on GoFundMe. (It may have even exceeded that by now. Last time I heard it was ~$700,000 and counting.) --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:909782986] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote>Shes made almost $1 million dollars on GoFundMe. (It may have even exceeded that by now. Last time I heard it was ~$700,000 and counting.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 5:36:32 PM #57:	ledbowman posted... nemu posted... Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Yes it does. No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "on a personal level, that makes me more inclined to believe her." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless. <cite>nemu posted [p:909783029] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story.</quote> Yes it does.</quote> No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "on a personal level, that makes me more inclined to believe her." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhyGiveUp 10/01/18 5:40:49 PM #58:	Nomadic View posted... Shes made almost $1 million dollars on GoFundMe. (It may have even exceeded that by now. Last time I heard it was ~$700,000 and counting.) What does that matter? It's just people being stupid with their money --- Be Wonderful <cite>WhyGiveUp posted [p:909783211] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Shes made almost $1 million dollars on GoFundMe. (It may have even exceeded that by now. Last time I heard it was ~$700,000 and counting.)</quote> What does that matter? It's just people being stupid with their money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 5:43:35 PM #59:	nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Yes it does. No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "on a personal level, that makes me more inclined to believe her." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless. On a personal level, that makes me believe her so don't want him on the Supreme Court. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909783349] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story.</quote> Yes it does.</quote> No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "on a personal level, that makes me more inclined to believe her." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless.</quote> On a personal level, that makes me believe her so don't want him on the Supreme Court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 5:47:35 PM #60:	I think testifying under oath and naming him in it 100% is compelling evidence too. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909783533] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote>I think testifying under oath and naming him in it 100% is compelling evidence too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 5:49:53 PM #61:	ledbowman posted... nemu posted... ledbowman posted... nemu posted... Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story. Yes it does. No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless. On a personal level, that makes me believe her so don't want him on the Supreme Court. OK, perfectly fair. I have no opinion either way, other than that I don't think she has met her burden of proof whatsoever. I don't think that should be used to decide anything, and that if the allegations are true that it's just an unfortunate situation for her that she can do nothing about. Unless someone is able to come forward to help corroborate, the only thing she has is her word. Kavanaugh being sketchy does nothing to prove or disprove her claims, though if the vote went south because of him being sketchy, completely fair. There are plenty of circumstances where guilty people go free because there's not enough evidence, but that's the unfortunate reality of life. <cite>nemu posted [p:909783635] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Her telling people decades later adds no credence to her story.</quote> Yes it does.</quote> No, it does not. It proves nothing other than that she did not make this up last week. You can say "." That's fine. But we're talking about something just short of a court of law here. Any random Joe can say "well, I told my therapist, my lover, and best friend that 'random celebrity' raped me and that I frequent parties that person also frequents." If there are no other details they can provide, then it's completely useless.</quote> On a personal level, that makes me believe her so don't want him on the Supreme Court.</quote> OK, perfectly fair. I have no opinion either way, other than that I don't think she has met her burden of proof whatsoever. I don't think that should be used to decide anything, and that if the allegations are true that it's just an unfortunate situation for her that she can do nothing about. Unless someone is able to come forward to help corroborate, the only thing she has is her word. Kavanaugh being sketchy does nothing to prove or disprove her claims, though if the vote went south because of him being sketchy, completely fair. There are plenty of circumstances where guilty people go free because there's not enough evidence, but that's the unfortunate reality of life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 5:56:29 PM #62:	nemu posted... I have no opinion either way nemu posted... I think she personally seems like a gigantic drama queen faker from her testimony, but that can easily just be personal bias. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909783953] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I have no opinion either way</quote> <cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I think she personally seems like a gigantic drama queen faker from her testimony, but that can easily just be personal bias.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 5:58:26 PM #63:	ledbowman posted... nemu posted... I have no opinion either way nemu posted... I think she personally seems like a gigantic drama queen faker from her testimony, but that can easily just be personal bias. Sorry, meant on Kavanaugh. I don't care if he gets in or not. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of the claims and how they're being used to affect his possible position. <cite>nemu posted [p:909784031] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I have no opinion either way</quote> <cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I think she personally seems like a gigantic drama queen faker from her testimony, but that can easily just be personal bias.</quote></quote> Sorry, meant on Kavanaugh. I don't care if he gets in or not. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of the claims and how they're being used to affect his possible position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 6:01:35 PM #64:	Lol you're so bad at this. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909784193] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote>Lol you're so bad at this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/01/18 6:05:24 PM #65:	ledbowman posted... Lol you're so bad at this. No, you just have a very stubborn mindset that seems to be mostly based on the idea of vehemently siding with alleged rape victims regardless of them being legitimate or not. <cite>nemu posted [p:909784397] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote>Lol you're so bad at this.</quote> No, you just have a very stubborn mindset that seems to be mostly based on the idea of vehemently siding with alleged rape victims regardless of them being legitimate or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/01/18 8:53:33 PM #66:	nemu posted... ledbowman posted... Lol you're so bad at this. No, you just have a very stubborn mindset that seems to be mostly based on the idea of vehemently siding with alleged rape victims regardless of them being legitimate or not. No, I just looked at the evidence and find it credible enough that I believe her. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909793458] in A little b... [t:77057773]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote>Lol you're so bad at this.</quote> No, you just have a very stubborn mindset that seems to be mostly based on the idea of vehemently siding with alleged rape victims regardless of them being legitimate or not.</quote> No, I just looked at the evidence and find it credible enough that I believe her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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