Current Events > Super Mario RPG, my favorite game of all time, is unbalanced as FUCK >_>

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Questionmarktarius posted...

If Geno Whirl worked on bosses, he'd be way better.

doesn't matter when he's stupid strong and gets a buffing spell to get even stronger (and it patches up what's supposed to be his "weakness", his defense)

and yet that didn't stop them from fucking up exor
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Questionmarktarius posted...

If Geno Whirl worked on bosses, he'd be way better.

It does work on that one boss, but that was probably a glitch >_>
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NeverOffended posted...

Super Mario RPG is probably the most fun RPG I've ever played (and I've played a ton) despite it's balance flaws

I think it's great because it's short like Chrono Trigger. It only takes like 15 hours to beat the game and maybe another 3 at most if you do all the sidequests too. That's why it's so replayable to me.
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hollow_shrine posted...

It is. Game balance is hard.

You ever play Sailor Moon Another Story?

I attempted to play that. I figured it had to be better than the shit they were airing on Cartoon Network and several people said "It's actually pretty good!"

I got to the fourth girl's part and just couldn't put up with the dialogue anymore. The gameplay was solid but that's it.

I never really found Geno that interesting tbh.

Storywise he's just the plot exposition guy and once he does his schtick explaining what the main quest is supposed to be about(all of ONE SINGLE SCENE in the whole game!) he turns invisible and almost never interacts with the rest of the game ever.

Mechanics-wise, again, bleh. In the overworld, you're best off fielding Mallow and spamming his cheap lightning bolts to take care of large groups of mooks, saving FP(and less tedium to heal it back up with items). For smaller groups of tougher mooks, Mario's so strong already that any character combo can beat them up with a few basic attacks. Oh sure, Geno Whirl is a guaranteed OHKO, but what difference does it make when any mook is a 2HKO at best anyway?
His only value is boosting stats in boss battles, which to be honest is nifty but the game is easy enough that it doesn't make for a noteworthy difference. And for the one boss battle where it might actually come in handy, his very schtick is stripping any buffs you have all the time.

At least his specials look cool I guess. But then again, so do Mallow's, so, bleh.
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Southernfatman posted...

I like the game, but I have a question. Why do people like Geno so much? I never particularly found the writing or characters that great. What makes him appeal to so many people.

Also, this is an underrated VG song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQYCu5EZOGI" data-time="

After reading the comments about how it sounds like the song in Pulp Fiction during that scene, I can't think of that section of the game the same again.

I just opened up that scene on YouTube, muted it and then played it synced up to your link.

VerisimiIitude posted...

He was the strongest character in the game attack-wise which meant that most people probably used him.

He had really flashy moves which contributed to his coolness

He had a somewhat interesting character design

Its kind of odd how many people want him in Smash but I can see the appeal.

Sure, but there's a lot of folk who act like he's a deep character and one of the greatest VG characters ever. Seriously.

SaithSayer posted...

I just opened up that scene on YouTube, muted it and then played it synced up to your link.

Ha, wow. That must be something.
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This game just isnt very good.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

If Geno Whirl worked on bosses, he'd be way better.

Geno Whirl.

I think I called it Geno Blade.

It works on Exor.

I brought it up because it's another RPG from that era with awful game balance. You're characters are either too weak to kill anything, or so strong they kill everything with several hundreds (and later thousands) of points damage overflow. And the difference often utter defeat or victory falls within the boundary of one or two levels or a single equip (the red pupil).

Certain characters stats work in ridiculous ways. All viable DPs have no defense and die instantly to a stray gust of wind, while all of the balanced characters deal less than 5% of the damage of the DPS to such a degree that it's impossible for them to win without a dps who is kept on constant life support. Mercury @ lv20 has the damage of Mars/Jupiter/Uranus @ lv10, and it get exponentially worse from there.

From the gameplay perspective the game is almost boring. It's a super linear numbers game with no strategy beyond grind levels, kill enemy. Despite this, I think I've played through the whole thing like ten times.
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The first time I played this game I got stuck at that clock boss and didn't have enough healing items to get through it. Felt bad

I beat it 8 years ago though
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NeonOctopus posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

I mean, it's not as good as any of the first 3 paper mario or first three mario and luigi games, but it set the stage for them, so to speak.

SMRPG > PM: TTYD > PM > M&L: BiS > M&L: SS > M&L: PiT

I haven't played any others. Super Paper Mario is also good, but it's way different from the others

Well as long as we're ranking things, here's my own list.

1. Bowser's Inside Story
2. Thousand Year Door
3. Super Mario RPG
4. Superstar Saga
4.5 Super Paper Mario (if we're counting it)
5. Paper Jam
6. Paper Mario 64
7. Dream Team
8. Color Splash
9. Partners In Time
10. Sticker Star

TBQH I really don't care for the original Paper Mario. I liked it at the time, but everytime I go back and play it I like it less and less. Also Partners In Time didn't do it for me either. Game had bad pacing and felt really short compared to most others. Time travel theme was wasted too...

Sticker Star makes sense since I literally bought it, hated it, and sold it on eBay without finishing it in the span of 4 days. At least Color Splash I was able to make it to the end of the game.
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Learning posted...

The first time I played this game I got stuck at that clock boss and didn't have enough healing items to get through it. Felt bad

I beat it 8 years ago though

The clock boss is in the final dungeon tho lol
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SMRPG and both Paper Marios are significantly better than any of the Mario and Luigi games in my opinion. And Superstar Saga is a really good game too. It just doesn't compare to those three games.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

SMRPG and both Paper Marios are significantly better than any of the Mario and Luigi games in my opinion. And Superstar Saga is a really good game too. It just doesn't compare to those three games.

I feel the same way.
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NeonOctopus posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

SMRPG and both Paper Marios are significantly better than any of the Mario and Luigi games in my opinion. And Superstar Saga is a really good game too. It just doesn't compare to those three games.

I feel the same way.

The first GBA game was spectacular though, maybe even the second one. Just not as good as PM 1 or 2.
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I enjoy the Mario & Luigi RPGs more than the Paper Mario games since they feel closer to SMRPG.

Another thing I forgot for Bowser is all his defensive armor is fucked too. You get Bowser around the halfway point of the game, but literally his best armor for 90% of the game is this weak universal armor you can buy one of the earlier towns called "work pants". All his specialty armor that you get, right until the 2nd to last dungeon, is inferior to this piece of shit universal armor you get in the town before him. Everyone else's equipment outclasses the work pants by the next town, but Bowser doesn't until near the end of the game. That's pathetic >_>
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Can't wait for Geno to be revealed for Smash
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Southernfatman posted...

I like the game, but I have a question. Why do people like Geno so much? I never particularly found the writing or characters that great. What makes him appeal to so many people.

He's just a cool guy <_< He wears a cape, literally fights people with rocket punches and arm cannons, has very high stats in almost everything, and all his specials are really flashy DBZ-esque energy beams lol.

He's certainly not a deep character, that's for sure >_> He has maybe 15 lines of dialogue in the whole game and only 1 plot cutscene involving him. He probably talks every 3 hours at most.
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I believe there's a hack that makes it more balanced.

<_>
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Killmonger posted...

I believe there's a hack that makes it more balanced.

I messed around with the Lazy Shell rom editor. It's pretty neat.

The most I did was just change a shop in Seaside to sell Super Suits lol.
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Yeah, Geno beam was only useful for the archer boss. Afterwards, once I got the finger shot, I never used it again except on dry bones.
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I had a hard time with it the first time because it was the only RPG I had ever played at that point. Once you know where to spend the bonus points when you level up, it's holy shit easy.

I will be playing this game soon as it's on my SNES Classic. Can't wait!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-QKs3gl_o#t=22m0s
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SaithSayer posted...

I had a hard time with it the first time because it was the only RPG I had ever played at that point. Once you know where to spend the bonus points when you level up, it's holy shit easy.

Fun fact: certain levels have a bonus for specific stats if you chose them (ie: lvl 2 gives more special than normal, lvl 3 gives more attack than normal, lvl 4 gives more HP than normal, etc.)
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Lathissamus posted...

I will be playing this game soon as it's on my SNES Classic. Can't wait!

Don't let all this easy, unbalanced talk skew your enjoyment of it, the game is still fantastic overall! And it's short, so there almost no filler, kinda like Chrono Trigger.

Plus there's definitely a few spots that first timers will probably find tough too >_>
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I had a feeling something like that was going on, but I focus entirely on extra attack power for Mario, entirely on magic for Mallow, attack for Bowser and Geno and Peach. I don't give anybody extra HP.

Conflict posted...

I started a replay recently and getting through the forest maze seemed more annoying than I remember

Are you talking about the 4-way part? You just follow Geno >_>
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NeonOctopus posted...

Lathissamus posted...

I will be playing this game soon as it's on my SNES Classic. Can't wait!

Don't let all this easy, unbalanced talk skew your enjoyment of it, the game is still fantastic overall! And it's short, so there almost no filler, kinda like Chrono Trigger.

Plus there's definitely a few spots that first timers will probably find tough too >_>

Yeah, I've seen others play it and it seems like it probably won't challenge me too much but I'll still really enjoy it. I like RPGs more when they have personality and character than when they're just really challenging.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Conflict posted...

I started a replay recently and getting through the forest maze seemed more annoying than I remember

Are you talking about the 4-way part? You just follow Geno >_>

That's a fine tactic if you're quick and an enemy doesn't touch you. One fight and you lose him.

SaithSayer posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Conflict posted...

I started a replay recently and getting through the forest maze seemed more annoying than I remember

Are you talking about the 4-way part? You just follow Geno >_>

That's a fine tactic if you're quick and an enemy doesn't touch you. One fight and you lose him.

As long as you see where he was before he disappeared, you can still go through that door after you get in a fight and continue on.

Plus he only goes through either the upper-right or lower-right doors until the very last square. On the last square he goes through the upper-left, but he stays there longer than the others, so you'll definitely see him when he's there.
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Even as a little kid I realized that game was really unbalanced. Still super fun though and one of my favorite games.
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SMRPG is extremely charming and that shouldn't be forgotten imo.

I played Paper Mario after TTYD but actually think I prefer it partly because it relies on more 'normal' Mario worlds and enemies to fill its world while TTYD obviously uses a lot of new material. Both are obviously great though.

After TTYD though I felt like every about the series took a dive. Super Paper Mario is literally not good, the aesthetic of the whole series began to get far too cleancut and sort of boring and the writing got a bit too zany for my liking too.
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One thing I'll criticize it for is that the isometric psuedo-3D makes the few times the game requires you to do platforming a chore. Especially with moving platforms.
Still a classic.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

One thing I'll criticize it for is that the isometric psuedo-3D makes the few times the game requires you to do platforming a chore. Especially with moving platforms.
Still a classic.

Yeah, some of the Bowser rooms are really hard. You get used to it, but it's still feels janky at times >_>
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NeonOctopus posted...

Killmonger posted...

I believe there's a hack that makes it more balanced.

I messed around with the Lazy Shell rom editor. It's pretty neat.

The most I did was just change a shop in Seaside to sell Super Suits lol.

I should get around to playing this game, now that you make a topic about it.

I like how Peach has a porno magazine in her room in this game.
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@hollow_shrine posted...

It is. Game balance is hard.

You ever play Sailor Moon Another Story?

level 15 mercury deals 1 digit damage to her solo boss
level 16 mercury one shots her solo boss

yeah that game was unbalanced
but really fun overall

fun fact. mercurys shabon spray has an added effect the game doesnt tell you about
everytime she uses it your opponents attack/special attack goes down

so a couple hits from it will even make the final boss start doing joke damage

so the best party is moon, saturn, pluto, mercury with the 5th slot being anyone you want
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

SMRPG is extremely charming and that shouldn't be forgotten imo.

I played Paper Mario after TTYD but actually think I prefer it partly because it relies on more 'normal' Mario worlds and enemies to fill its world while TTYD obviously uses a lot of new material. Both are obviously great though.

After TTYD though I felt like every about the series took a dive. Super Paper Mario is literally not good, the aesthetic of the whole series began to get far too cleancut and sort of boring and the writing got a bit too zany for my liking too.

That's the reason I like Paper Mario 64 more than SMRPG or TTYD personally. I think it does the best job of feeling like a mario game due to the characters and settings feeling a lot more traditionally mario

shouldn't matter as much as it does to me but it really pulls everything together for me in a way
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Mario Peach Geno

Best part, give Peach the Lazy Shell armor lol
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SexyPonyMagic69 posted...

Mario Peach Geno

Best part, give Peach the Lazy Shell armor lol

Mario Peach Mallow.

Two healers makes the game cakewalk mode.

I usually go Bowser Geno for the challenge of no healers. Sometimes Mallow Geno.

Peach is way too broken >_>
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NeonOctopus posted...

I usually go Bowser Geno for the challenge of no healers. Sometimes Mallow Geno.

Peach is way too broken >_>

the game sells you pick me ups for 5 coins which revive dead party members for full health
eve without peach there is no challenge in the game

its a game made for little kids to get them interested in jrpgs and it does that job fine
but your party doesnt matter because other the cake boss every boss is easily beaten by any combination of characters
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