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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:31:41 PM
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Im asking this not to sound like a dick but to ask why. Logically you should report the offense as soon as possible. Waiting years upon years isnt going to help your case and invalidates it. You cant claim the system is unfair towards alleged victims if you wait 20 years to bring attention to the case.
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LightningAce11
09/27/18 10:32:54 PM
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Fear. Disgust. Embarrassment. Being called a liar and a slut. Many reasons.
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09/27/18 10:33:27 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth
09/27/18 10:33:56 PM
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They're scared. Imagine being assaulted and being told that if you tell anyone your entire family will die. That's what a lot of them go through.
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Nidhoggr
09/27/18 10:34:31 PM
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Convenient timing too. What's up with that?
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Samurontai
09/27/18 10:35:10 PM
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Nidhoggr posted...
Convenient timing too. What's up with that?


Its almost as if she didnt want a rapist being sworn in to the SC

Surprising, I know
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:35:21 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Fear. Disgust. Embarrassment. Being called a liar and a slut. Many reasons.

Why fear though? Youd be bringing your assaulter to justice. And as for being called a liar, you can be accused of that for anything. But you arent giving yourself credibility by taking years to do something about it.
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Antifar
09/27/18 10:35:35 PM
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Brett Kavanaugh's mom was a prosecutor in their Maryland County at the time
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:38:54 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
They're scared. Imagine being assaulted and being told that if you tell anyone your entire family will die. That's what a lot of them go through.

It should be obvious that its an empty threat though. Even if you are scared the authorities would be the ones to handle that.

A death threat is a serious one especially coupled with having assaulted someone.
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Son Of Spam
09/27/18 10:39:56 PM
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It's a traumatizing experience. The last thing you want to deal with while recovering from something like this is deal with an ugly legal battle. It's also scary to do when your perpetrator has more social power than you.
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SomeLikeItHoth
09/27/18 10:41:31 PM
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OffTempo posted...
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
They're scared. Imagine being assaulted and being told that if you tell anyone your entire family will die. That's what a lot of them go through.

It should be obvious that its an empty threat though. Even if you are scared the authorities would be the ones to handle that.

A death threat is a serious one especially coupled with having assaulted someone.

Do you really think someone who sexually assaults someone would not be also willing to kill someone?
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yillin
09/27/18 10:43:43 PM
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Imagine being a female
Imagine understanding (especially 36 years ago) that a female is not even considered a full scale human being in regards to a male
Imagine having this super embarrassing, soul destroying, life altering experience forced upon you.
Imagine having to relive this traumatic experience in detail to a male authority who most likely doesn't even believe you as you tell him your tale.

How can you not understand having something considered to be one of the most vile things one human being can do to another be the most embarrassing thing that can happen to you? How are you that non empathetic to their plight? All you people who say, "why didn't she report it sooner." You act like it just so flippin easy. All it shows me is that you've never had it happen to you (thank god because I'd never wish it on anyone) nor do you know anyone in your life that it has happened to. Maybe if you did you'd be more understanding.
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Squall28
09/27/18 10:45:30 PM
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Because it's fucking embarassing?

Imagine if some disgusting guy fucks you in the ass. Are you going to be dying to tell people?
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:45:37 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
OffTempo posted...
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
They're scared. Imagine being assaulted and being told that if you tell anyone your entire family will die. That's what a lot of them go through.

It should be obvious that its an empty threat though. Even if you are scared the authorities would be the ones to handle that.

A death threat is a serious one especially coupled with having assaulted someone.

Do you really think someone who sexually assaults someone would not be also willing to kill someone?

Think about it like this though. You kill the person you raped and bam you become a (even more of) prime suspect in the case.

This seems simple enough to piece together and again reporting the crime asap would mean youre also protecting yourself from your assaulter.
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Number090684
09/27/18 10:46:13 PM
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I agree TC. Although, a lot of victims have legit reasons for not reporting it right after it occurs, because depending on the perp and their status, they could face considerable issues. On the other hand, some of the victims can be selfish and petty and use it to blackmail and extort the perp into doing all sorts of things to keep the knowledge from becoming public.

All you can really do these days is be very cautious about who you get involved with, try to get the know who they really are deep down and make sure they are at least a decent, somewhat law abiding human being that likes you signifcantly enough, and ask for consent every single time you want to do anything sexual with them. Hell, if it is someone you're getting involved with for the first time, make sure to be ready to stop at a moment's notice if they aren't comfortable and revoke consent too. You can never be too safe these days.
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yillin
09/27/18 10:47:56 PM
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Number090684 posted...
I agree TC. Although, a lot of victims have legit reasons for not reporting it right after it occurs, because depending on the perp and their status, they could face considerable issues. On the other hand, some of the victims can be selfish and petty and use it to blackmail and extort the perp into doing all sorts of things to keep the knowledge from becoming public.

All you can really do these days is be very cautious about who you get involved with, try to get the know who they really are deep down and make sure they are at least a decent, somewhat law abiding human being that likes you signifcantly enough, and ask for consent every single time you want to do anything sexual with them. Hell, if it is someone you're getting involved with for the first time, make sure to be ready to stop at a moment's notice if they aren't comfortable and revoke consent too. You can never be too safe these days.


Are you serious? Are you f***ing serious? Good golly I've never had an easier time ignoring someone. I'm so happy for you that you've never had trials or tribulations in your life that even approach the magnitude of that of a rape victim. Continue living in your bubble.
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Nidhoggr
09/27/18 10:49:46 PM
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yillin posted...
Number090684 posted...
I agree TC. Although, a lot of victims have legit reasons for not reporting it right after it occurs, because depending on the perp and their status, they could face considerable issues. On the other hand, some of the victims can be selfish and petty and use it to blackmail and extort the perp into doing all sorts of things to keep the knowledge from becoming public.

All you can really do these days is be very cautious about who you get involved with, try to get the know who they really are deep down and make sure they are at least a decent, somewhat law abiding human being that likes you signifcantly enough, and ask for consent every single time you want to do anything sexual with them. Hell, if it is someone you're getting involved with for the first time, make sure to be ready to stop at a moment's notice if they aren't comfortable and revoke consent too. You can never be too safe these days.


Are you serious? Are you f***ing serious? Good golly I've never had an easier time ignoring someone. I'm so happy for you that you've never had trials or tribulations in your life that even approach the magnitude of that of a rape victim. Continue living in your bubble.

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Panthera
09/27/18 10:49:59 PM
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Number090684 posted...
I agree TC. Although, a lot of victims have legit reasons for not reporting it right after it occurs, because depending on the perp and their status, they could face considerable issues. On the other hand, some of the victims can be selfish and petty and use it to blackmail and extort the perp into doing all sorts of things to keep the knowledge from becoming public.

All you can really do these days is be very cautious about who you get involved with, try to get the know who they really are deep down and make sure they are at least a decent, somewhat law abiding human being that likes you signifcantly enough, and ask for consent every single time you want to do anything sexual with them. Hell, if it is someone you're getting involved with for the first time, make sure to be ready to stop at a moment's notice if they aren't comfortable and revoke consent too. You can never be too safe these days.


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BigSLM1993
09/27/18 10:50:50 PM
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I'm pretty sure most men here wouldn't tell a soul if someone sexually assaulted them, especially if they were sodomized.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:53:20 PM
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yillin posted...
Imagine being a female
Imagine understanding (especially 36 years ago) that a female is not even considered a full scale human being in regards to a male
Imagine having this super embarrassing, soul destroying, life altering experience forced upon you.
Imagine having to relive this traumatic experience in detail to a male authority who most likely doesn't even believe you as you tell him your tale.

How can you not understand having something considered to be one of the most vile things one human being can do to another be the most embarrassing thing that can happen to you? How are you that non empathetic to their plight? All you people who say, "why didn't she report it sooner." You act like it just so flippin easy. All it shows me is that you've never had it happen to you (thank god because I'd never wish it on anyone) nor do you know anyone in your life that it has happened to. Maybe if you did you'd be more understanding.

Not saying that Id feel no empathy for someone who is an alleged assault victim but you also would have to understand that youre greatly diminishing your credibility if you are to wait years and to report it at the peak of your alleged assaulter's career. Now Im also not saying that all people who do this are flat out liars, Im just saying that it seems too convenient to not call into question. This wouldnt be the case if you didnt take care of the issue sooner, it would also mean that your assaulter wouldnt have a chance to be given such a good position of power.

Now what I dont understand why you would be embarrassed to speak up. Say you were taken advantage of. Im sure that would definitely leave deep emotional scars but that should be reason enough to bring attention to it. You shouldnt ever let someone do something terrible to you and let them get away with it. Avoiding the issue wont help you and most certainly shouldnt help you heal.
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Squall28
09/27/18 10:54:25 PM
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BigSLM1993 posted...
I'm pretty sure most men here wouldn't tell a soul if someone sexually assaulted them, especially if they were sodomized.


I like how they're ignoring us.
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Panthera
09/27/18 10:55:52 PM
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OffTempo posted...

Now what I dont understand why you would be embarrassed to speak up.


Have you fucking seen what happens whenever someone moderately popular is accused of anything? "Oh my god that lying bitch is out to screw him over! What's her REAL reason? She must be doing it for some sort of personal gain. I bet she's just bitter he turned her down" and so on. Wait and people insist you should have done it earlier, do it immediately and people just freak out that <name> can't possibly have done anything wrong, I hung out with him the other day, that must mean he's never done anything wrong!
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Houston
09/27/18 10:56:20 PM
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It speaks volumes that after 6 years of uttering the words that Mr. Kavanaugh did that she finally decides to suddenly come forward once he was a Supreme Court pick. Nevermind the 30 years before that. 6 years after she allegedly made these claims against him, now is the time.

Does what happened to her not matter if he wasn't a Supreme Court pick? Would she have eventually come forward regardless?

I think Ford's untimeliness of her accusations should very well be called into question.

After all these years, she first told her therapist and husband in 2012. That was 6 years ago. They already knew he was a prominent person at that time. Why not go forward with the accusations or pursue legal options then? Or even a couple years later?

She's a literal pink ***** hat wearing liberal. It took her 30 years to say anything. Then once she said something, only now, 6 years later, is she coming forward.

Kavanaugh should be appointed.
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yillin
09/27/18 10:56:21 PM
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OffTempo posted...
Now what I dont understand why you would be embarrassed to speak up. Say you were taken advantage of. Im sure that would definitely leave deep emotional scars but that should be reason enough to bring attention to it. You shouldnt ever let someone do something terrible to you and let them get away with it. Avoiding the issue wont help you and most certainly shouldnt help you heal.


If you don't understand then it sounds like you need to go educate yourself. Their are tons of materials online, research studies, and diaries on victims of this caliber who share their experiences and why they didn't come forward. Go educate yourself. Don't expect to be spoon fed your questions that you don't really want answer to. Many scientific studies have been done on this exact question. Your choice to ignore what psychological science has shown us is no ones fault but your own.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:56:28 PM
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BigSLM1993 posted...
I'm pretty sure most men here wouldn't tell a soul if someone sexually assaulted them, especially if they were sodomized.

I cant speak for you or anyone else but I sure as hell wouldnt. For one Id probably kick my assaulters ass and two even if I failed at that Im calling the cops.
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Valesa
09/27/18 10:57:05 PM
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OffTempo posted...
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
They're scared. Imagine being assaulted and being told that if you tell anyone your entire family will die. That's what a lot of them go through.

It should be obvious that its an empty threat though. Even if you are scared the authorities would be the ones to handle that.

A death threat is a serious one especially coupled with having assaulted someone.

Say they reported it anyway, nothing comes of it, and their assaulter wasn't fully bluffing? A lot of the time, rape and sexual assault cases go without a conviction, or something similar to Brock Turner where the rapist gets off with almost no repercussions. Or there's instead repercussions for the victims, being called a liar or a slut, all the way up to death threats if the rapist was a well-known person. Plus, to report it, the victim has to tell exactly what happened, to the best of their ability, with all of the gory details.

So, nothing comes of it, they have to relive the trauma each time that they have to talk to an officer, they have to deal with all the slander and judgment along with the trauma of their assault, and their assaulter may or may not actually have been bluffing--meaning that their family could even be in danger just because they were assaulted.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:57:17 PM
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Btw just saying some of these responses are getting kinda heated. Tone it down a bit, just asking a simple question with some polite discourse.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 10:58:15 PM
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Revnir posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUD2Jznt8c" data-time="

Ill watch this in a bit then give my thoughts on it. Thanks.
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Funbazooka
09/27/18 10:59:41 PM
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There can be scenarios where decades long reporting of a crime to the authorities might still get someone brought up on charges... that is if there isn't a statue of limitations in the state and the investigation brings up anything substantial.

By all means report the assault (though Ford didn't even report it to the proper authorities. I imagine she knows what the result of that would be) but don't demand everyone believe you if you can't back up the accusation.
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ledbowman
09/27/18 10:59:41 PM
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God this board is gross.
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yillin
09/27/18 10:59:41 PM
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OffTempo posted...
I cant speak for you or anyone else but I sure as hell wouldnt. For one Id probably kick my assaulters ass and two even if I failed at that Im calling the cops.


You wouldn't do anything. Kick your assaulter s ass? Okay... I'm sure some soyboy on a gaming forum is gonna step up and assert himself. Tell me another one. (your probably not a soyboy but i'm pretty angry over this whole situation but i do believe you wouldn't do anything).
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Chad-Henne
09/27/18 11:01:39 PM
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It's crazy how this question has been answered a million times and yet it still gets asked
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ledbowman
09/27/18 11:02:18 PM
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Chad-Henne posted...
It's crazy how this question has been answered a million times and yet it still gets asked

Rhetorically
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Esrac
09/27/18 11:03:11 PM
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OffTempo
09/27/18 11:03:42 PM
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yillin posted...
OffTempo posted...
I cant speak for you or anyone else but I sure as hell wouldnt. For one Id probably kick my assaulters ass and two even if I failed at that Im calling the cops.


You wouldn't do anything. Kick your assaulter s ass? Okay... I'm sure some soyboy on a gaming forum is gonna step up and assert himself. Tell me another one. (your probably not a soyboy but i'm pretty angry over this whole situation but i do believe you wouldn't do anything).

Im saying I would most definitely bring the attention to light if I were assaulted. Im also saying if I were put in the situation Id beat the shit out my assaulter and then two calling the cops to report the assault.
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Houston
09/27/18 11:05:12 PM
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Her only coming forward now, after the alleged 2012 mentions, means Kavanaugh was okay within the roll he was operating in. But now, since he's being nominated for Supreme Court, it's suddenly not okay.

That should send up a major red flag for anyone. Either these allegations have importance or they don't.
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yillin
09/27/18 11:06:31 PM
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OffTempo posted...
Im saying I would most definitely bring the attention to light if I were assaulted. Im also saying if I were put in the situation Id beat the s*** out my assaulter and then two calling the cops to report the assault.


Well, you can say that but studies have shown us that your reaction is far far in the minority of reactions. ESPECIALLY from a males standpoint. Women are afraid to come forward? (I'm sorry, I'm assuming your a male) Male are even more afraid to come forward because of the demasculating(huh?) nature of being raped.
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ledbowman
09/27/18 11:07:28 PM
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Imagine trolling about rape.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 11:11:06 PM
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OffTempo posted...
Revnir posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUD2Jznt8c" data-time="

Ill watch this in a bit then give my thoughts on it. Thanks.

Alright so the video points out that theyd be worried about being accused of reporting the assault for something like monetary gain. I dont want to say thats a fair statement necessarily because once again that only becomes an issue when waiting to report it at the peak of someones career.

Now risk of losing their job was something brought up. Im interested in that. Why would reporting put you at risk of losing your job? If anything shouldnt your coworkers and boss support you?
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Darmik
09/27/18 11:11:22 PM
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- Fear
- Trauma
- Self-blame
- The culture around reporting rape and being raped

Take your pick. It takes an incredible amount of courage to report being raped. It's incredibly difficult.
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Darmik
09/27/18 11:12:43 PM
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OffTempo posted...
Alright so the video points out that theyd be worried about being accused of reporting the assault for something like monetary gain. I dont want to say thats a fair statement necessarily because once again that only becomes an issue when waiting to report it at the peak of someones career.


No it isn't. It can always be an issue.

Anything a lawyer or police officer can use to give the victim an incentive to report a false rape will be used against them.
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KingCrabCake
09/27/18 11:13:57 PM
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Is it too late to grab popcorn
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OffTempo
09/27/18 11:14:07 PM
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yillin posted...
OffTempo posted...
Im saying I would most definitely bring the attention to light if I were assaulted. Im also saying if I were put in the situation Id beat the s*** out my assaulter and then two calling the cops to report the assault.


Well, you can say that but studies have shown us that your reaction is far far in the minority of reactions. ESPECIALLY from a males standpoint. Women are afraid to come forward? (I'm sorry, I'm assuming your a male) Male are even more afraid to come forward because of the demasculating(huh?) nature of being raped.

Dont worry about assuming my gender I am male anyways. I feel like the demasculating thing shouldnt apply though, someone forced themselves on you. That invokes anger in me.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 11:15:46 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Is it too late to grab popcorn

I didnt create this topic to troll or provide entertainment. Im asking a question and Ive (hopefully) havent crossed any lines and been polite this whole time.
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Funbazooka
09/27/18 11:16:10 PM
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Women are capable of lying or misremembering. Just like men. This is not a controversial thing to admit.
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KingCrabCake
09/27/18 11:17:48 PM
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OffTempo posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Is it too late to grab popcorn

I didnt create this topic to troll or provide entertainment. Im asking a question and Ive (hopefully) havent crossed any lines and been polite this whole time.

No I'm just expecting it to go horribly wrong at some point. I lost faith in CE. I meant no disrespect to you.
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OffTempo
09/27/18 11:20:14 PM
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Darmik posted...
OffTempo posted...
Alright so the video points out that theyd be worried about being accused of reporting the assault for something like monetary gain. I dont want to say thats a fair statement necessarily because once again that only becomes an issue when waiting to report it at the peak of someones career.


No it isn't. It can always be an issue.

Anything a lawyer or police officer can use to give the victim an incentive to report a false rape will be used against them.

True but lets take rape on college campuses as an example. You have a student reporting another student for assaulting them. At that point in your life youre studying to get started in your career, (probably) wouldnt have a lot of money to your name at that point. It should be clear to authorities that youre only looking out for your own best interests. There isnt much to gain from that.
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Squall28
09/27/18 11:20:46 PM
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OffTempo posted...
BigSLM1993 posted...
I'm pretty sure most men here wouldn't tell a soul if someone sexually assaulted them, especially if they were sodomized.

I cant speak for you or anyone else but I sure as hell wouldnt. For one Id probably kick my assaulters ass and two even if I failed at that Im calling the cops.


lol no. If you can kick his ass, he wouldn't have been able to assault you
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