The fallacy fallacy. If the actual people whose job involves this stuff makes the argument that something is the case, then somebody who isn't even affiliated with the field doesn't have a fucking say.
It's like you're some nobody who has a spoon and you're heating it with a lighter as an argument against all the physicists and engineers who said "yes, the twin towers were collapsed as a result of the jumbo jets that crashed into them" ---
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people. ---
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
Why? ---
Jesus loves us. It only seems fair to love him back.
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
"Don't say that people have 10 fingers and 10 toes. That's not true for everybody." ---
"I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell
Anyway, the left needs to be reigned in asap. This is the radical world they want to create across the board. Basically they want to strip people of their income/assets/freedom if they don't toe the ideological orthodoxy. No different than the horrifying gulags / labor camps leftists invented in the 20th century.
Is it leftists or extreme leftists that want this? Because your posts frequently wobble between the two. ---
I was a woman trapped in a mans body and got surgery but dont say I used to be a man - insanity
A trans woman can transition and still keep her penis though. Trans men almost never get rid of their vagina as making penises is still a work in progress. ---
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
Why?
For a lot of reasons.
A) It's already implied and you're not revealing anything new. The purpose of that statement is meant to demean the identity of the person in question. There's literally no other valid reason for that statement which leads to... B) As gpg said, it makes you look like a rude person. C) It should be obvious that if someone wants to be addressed in a certain manner and you choose not to address them that way and, in fact, knowingly address them in a way that is considered rude and/or hurtful. D) What's the fucking point of doing it anyway? Jesus fucking Christ, I fail to see how it's such a fucking struggle to be polite to people. It's not like the world is gonna end if you address someone by the way they want to be addressed.
P.S. If people want to start talking about biological facts, I sure hope they have an understanding of neurology, endocrinology and molecular genetics so they can understand how transgenderism is biologically possible. ---
"I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
"Don't say that people have 10 fingers and 10 toes. That's not true for everybody."
That does kind of sound like "agree with everything we say, or you're a bigot". And if you verbalize publically your disagreement, they may try to ruin your life. ---
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
"Don't say that people have 10 fingers and 10 toes. That's not true for everybody."
That does kind of sound like "agree with everything we say, or you're a bigot". And if you verbalize publically your disagreement, they may try to ruin your life.
"Keep your controversial point of view quiet or we'll make sure you don't have the money to feed your children! We're progressive!"
If the endocrine society says they can, and they actually f***ing specialize in this unlike you? *Finger guns* well that's where you're wrong
It's logically inconsistent though. If gender and sex are separate things, with gender being essentially the preconceptions people have around gender roles based on society's expectations and sex being biological, then gender can very much be fluid and debatable but sex can't be.
I'm not saying this in an effort to hurt or offend anybody. I'm genuinely not. I can totally sympathise that if something as fundamental to your identity as your gender doesn't feel right, that must be an incredibly difficult way to exist.
However, the trans community is so militant that you can't really engage in any sort of conversation about it in which you don't agree with every word they say without being accused of being a bigot. It does more harm to the group than good.
How not to be a bigot:
Don't call trans women men. Don't say they're biologically men or technically men or originally men. That's still calling them men. Don't say women can't have penises, the fact that intersex people have been born for millennia with mismatched or both parts (though one or both sets were usually just for show) proves that making absolute statements is dishonest. Call trans people by their name and pronouns. If you don't want to use pronouns you could always just stick to their name. And when I say name i mean the one they go by, not whatever name they were born with. You don't go around calling married women by their main surname, do you? And don't ask about birth names, you wouldn't ask a married woman about her maiden name, etc. And lastly, don't support policies that harm trans people. Bathroom bills? There's been a whopping 6 men total who dressed up to enter women's bathrooms since 2003, and most were in states that didn't let trans people use the bathroom written into the law. Moreover, punishing trans people out of fear of a thing that's happened 6 times and wasn't even committed by trans people? Total BS. And of course, by faking their identity to enter a bathroom so as to commit other crimes, those men would already be guilty of several crimes to begin with.
Literally that easy. I'm other words, don't be a douchebag and maybe you'd realize that the only ones being militant are the group with actual power and who have long since subjugated trans people.
"Don't say that people have 10 fingers and 10 toes. That's not true for everybody."
That does kind of sound like "agree with everything we say, or you're a bigot". And if you verbalize publically your disagreement, they may try to ruin your life.
"Keep your controversial point of view quiet or we'll make sure you don't have the money to feed your children! We're progressive!"
I don't think "women don't have penises" is even a remotely controversial point of view though. Poll the public and I'd wager they would overwhelming agree that boys have penises and girls have vaginas. ---
Yeah because polls are anonymous. Now people are scared to say much of anything. Look at what COLLEGES have become! That's the scariest part of all. Any line of thinking that goes against the grain leads to you getting the boot....at a place that's supposed to be about HIGHER LEARNING.
It's like the best horror movie writer teamed up with The Onion to write reality.
A student editor at a top university has been fired in a transphobia row after he tweeted that 'women don't have penises'.
Angelos Sofocleous, assistant editor at Durham University's philosophy journal 'Critique', was sacked from his post after just three days for writing a tweet deemed 'transphobic' by fellow students.
Mr Sofocleous, 24, from Cyprus, faced disciplinary action last month after he re-tweeted an article by The Spectator on his Twitter titled 'Is it a crime to say women don't have penises?', with the comment: 'RT if women don't have penises'.
The postgraduate philosophy and psychology student was dismissed from his position at the university after the tweet sparked outrage.
He was also fired from his position as editor of Durham University's online magazine The Bubble, and forced to resign as president of free speech society Humanist Students.
Mr Sofocleous stood by his comment which has sparked a row around trans rights and freedom of speech.
He deserved to get fired because of the divisive intent of the message despite any arguments for or against the topic you want to make. When your job is to be objective and you instead communicate divisively, you have breached your job and deserve to lose it. ---
ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company.
Being polite and sparing the feelings of others shouldn't come at the expense of turning a blind eye to the actual world around you.
While valid, it's not applicable in this case when you consider how people are surprised by the blowback they receive. Those eyes are clearly blind. ---
"I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida
They're annoying people who focus on the SAFE issues so they can feel like they make a difference without putting themselves in harm's way.
Worse than rapists, murderers and general abusers? Hardly. A lot of these social justice warriors mean well but are too stupid to realize the problems they case. Intent HAS to count for something...
He was also fired from his position as editor of Durham University's online magazine The Bubble, and forced to resign as president of free speech society Humanist Students.
wut
I'm also confused by that
I 100% disagree with him and think he is an idiot for posting that but ... isn't this kind of like the definition of free speech? Tolerating people who have different viewpoints on something? ---
The fallacy fallacy. If the actual people whose job involves this stuff makes the argument that something is the case, then somebody who isn't even affiliated with the field doesn't have a fucking say.
It's like you're some nobody who has a spoon and you're heating it with a lighter as an argument against all the physicists and engineers who said "yes, the twin towers were collapsed as a result of the jumbo jets that crashed into them"
Definitely Fair, next. Maybe the POS can get a job at Breitbart
so he's a pos cause he has a different opinion than you? my suggestion to you is to leave your house and see how the real world works.
Well in the real world you can't run around yelling offensive shit all day and not have consequences as a result.
Freedom of speech does NOT protect you from consequences or protect your job.
There's this cool thing called common sense that most people have that would tell them to not post shit that's bigoted out in public view, especially if you work at a university.
So to you, facts and science are offensive and controversial? ---
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit" - SoA
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Definitely Fair, next. Maybe the POS can get a job at Breitbart
so he's a pos cause he has a different opinion than you? my suggestion to you is to leave your house and see how the real world works.
Well in the real world you can't run around yelling offensive shit all day and not have consequences as a result.
Freedom of speech does NOT protect you from consequences or protect your job.
There's this cool thing called common sense that most people have that would tell them to not post shit that's bigoted out in public view, especially if you work at a university.
