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ElatedVenusaur
09/12/18 4:58:33 PM
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/
Basically, the Republicans are likely to lose 1-2 seats, as things stand, which would leave them in control of the Senate. It mostly has to do with the fact that the Senate seats that are up are, collectively, extremely favorable to Republicans(they only control 8 of the 35 up. The Dems or Dem-caucusing Independents control the other 27).
So, check it out. Nate Silver and his team do great work.
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lifeamovie
09/12/18 4:59:30 PM
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blue rain drop

wheres that pepe meme
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Bloodychess
09/12/18 5:00:09 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Nate Silver and his team do great work.


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Balrog0
09/12/18 5:01:23 PM
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Harry Enten said earlier today on twitter that he's starting to suspect Dems don't pick up any senate seats at all due to the relatively good poll numbers in certain key states that otherwise had seemed to be in play (e.g., Arizona, where Sinema has gone from beating McSally consistently to consistently being behind her)
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AlephZero
09/12/18 5:03:43 PM
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66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.
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Balrog0
09/12/18 5:05:19 PM
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AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.


seems super low to me too
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darkprince45
09/12/18 5:15:15 PM
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The blue wave
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ElatedVenusaur
09/12/18 5:15:42 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.


seems super low to me too

It may be the model is bullish on the prospects of Beto O'Rourke(TX) and Phil Bredesen(TN). There may also not be much polling data on certain vulnerable incumbent Democrats, and thus the model is weighting those races primarily based on other factors.
In any case, now is when most voters start paying attention to races.
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BignutzisBack
09/12/18 5:15:59 PM
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Balrog0
09/12/18 5:17:06 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
It may be the model is bullish on the prospects of Beto O'Rourke(TX) and Phil Bredesen(TN). There may also not be much polling data on certain vulnerable incumbent Democrats, and thus the model is weighting those races primarily based on other factors.
In any case, now is when most voters start paying attention to races.


for sure, they only now started releasing poll numbers in my state (not that it matters here, but yeah)
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s0nicfan
09/12/18 5:22:20 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.


seems super low to me too


Doesn't the senate nearly always flip during midterms against the incumbent party? 66% seems too high, to be honest.
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AlephZero
09/12/18 5:34:00 PM
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With independent events like elections whether or not something almost always happened in the past doesn't have any bearing on the probability of it happening in the future.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/12/18 5:36:55 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Balrog0 posted...
AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.


seems super low to me too


Doesn't the senate nearly always flip during midterms against the incumbent party? 66% seems too high, to be honest.


dems have an atrocious map to work with
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MeowMix101
09/12/18 5:37:17 PM
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truthfully if accurate it paves way for 3rd party to take over the dems and after that a another 3rd party to replace Republicans the time for both sides to end hopefully is soon
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Rad_Chad
09/12/18 5:37:31 PM
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the dnc is too fucking stupid to do anything but look up and drown during a storm

hillary was so fucking hated trump actually won the election and they were floored by the outcome. they're like those people who just like an idea and then believe what they want regardless of how well it will go. trump would've lost to bernie, but he's not corrupt so donors weren't interested......

republicans will eventually turn on trump. it's not like all or maybe even most like him. the bushes, koch bros, etc. clearly don't like him
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s0nicfan
09/12/18 5:37:40 PM
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AlephZero posted...
With independent events like elections whether or not something almost always happened in the past doesn't have any bearing on the probability of it happening in the future.


It does if you're evaluating whether a reported percentage "seems low" or not, since your perception of what is low or high is altered by the historical relevance of that statistic.
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AlephZero
09/12/18 5:41:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
AlephZero posted...
With independent events like elections whether or not something almost always happened in the past doesn't have any bearing on the probability of it happening in the future.


It does if you're evaluating whether a reported percentage "seems low" or not, since your perception of what is low or high is altered by the historical relevance of that statistic.

In probability theory what someone "seems to think" based on their gut is effectively worthless information.
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s0nicfan
09/12/18 5:41:53 PM
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AlephZero posted...
s0nicfan posted...
AlephZero posted...
With independent events like elections whether or not something almost always happened in the past doesn't have any bearing on the probability of it happening in the future.


It does if you're evaluating whether a reported percentage "seems low" or not, since your perception of what is low or high is altered by the historical relevance of that statistic.

In probability theory what someone "seems to think" based on their gut is effectively worthless information.


Then why did you say this:
AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.

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BWing
09/12/18 5:47:23 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Balrog0 posted...
AlephZero posted...
66% probability of Republicans holding the Senate is lower than I would have thought.


seems super low to me too


Doesn't the senate nearly always flip during midterms against the incumbent party? 66% seems too high, to be honest.

You're not taking the spread of seats that are up for grabs into account. The House will be the indicator of whether or not there's a wave because all seats are up.
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Zero_Destroyer
09/12/18 5:47:33 PM
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my overall impression of this is that it's too confident that Dems will hold certain seats

like it calls nevada/florida as tossup, which is good, but somehow lists heitkamp as adv. dem even though she's distantly the most vulnerable dem
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Alpha218
09/12/18 5:51:32 PM
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Love all of the people in this topic that gleefully ignore the fact that the blue wave is supposed to happen in the House, where all of the seats are voted on every 2 years instead of the Senate which has 6 year terms (aka 33% voted on every 2 years, with the states in play heavily favoring the GOP at the moment)

Hope reality doesnt hit you too hard in November
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BWing
09/12/18 5:54:18 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Love all of the people in this topic that gleefully ignore the fact that the blue wave is supposed to happen in the House, where all of the seats are voted on every 2 years instead of the Senate which has 6 year terms (aka 33% voted on every 2 years, with the states in play heavily favoring the GOP at the moment)

Hope reality doesnt hit you too hard in November

Senate was never part of anyone's "blue wave" description besides idiots who don't understand statistics or politics. 2020 will be the wave in the Senate if things keep going as they are going.
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MelbuFrahma4
09/12/18 5:56:53 PM
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I never get how these polls work. Who tells strangers who they are going to vote for to get these numbers.
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The Great Muta 22
09/12/18 6:05:50 PM
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BWing posted...
Alpha218 posted...
Love all of the people in this topic that gleefully ignore the fact that the blue wave is supposed to happen in the House, where all of the seats are voted on every 2 years instead of the Senate which has 6 year terms (aka 33% voted on every 2 years, with the states in play heavily favoring the GOP at the moment)

Hope reality doesnt hit you too hard in November

Senate was never part of anyone's "blue wave" description besides idiots who don't understand statistics or politics. 2020 will be the wave in the Senate if things keep going as they are going.


Oh come on, who let's silly things like facts get in the way of their shit posting?

Yeah, this is about what I expected. Actually seems better for Dems than I thought it would be in some spots, but that's more to do with the weakness of specific Repubs who probably will still hold on in the end. I'm interested in seeing the Gubernatorial forecast eventually, as I have a strong feeling that's going to look real good for Dems
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Doom_Art
09/13/18 3:35:35 PM
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I'm surprised with how the model shows Tennessee and Texas being so close. To the point where they're in "toss-up" or only "lean R" range

Definitely a more generous outlook for Dems than I expected given the atrocious map they have to work with.
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