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s0nicfan
09/12/18 2:48:59 PM
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https://lithub.com/we-cant-ignore-h-p-lovecrafts-white-supremacy/
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Flockaveli
09/12/18 2:51:03 PM
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Took them long enough.
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dreamvoid
09/12/18 2:51:52 PM
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well, he was racist, and not in the casual way. that doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy his works, though.
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davyheinz
09/12/18 2:52:29 PM
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Who is they?
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MacadamianNut3
09/12/18 2:53:35 PM
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>now
>2017
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s0nicfan
09/12/18 2:55:05 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
>now
>2017


Good catch. I just saw it posted on facebook and assumed it was new. My bad.
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LuffySkull
09/12/18 3:01:38 PM
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Yeah. He had views of his time. They were not good views but it wasnt a crazy to believe that back then.

You can enjoy his works without saying you like his views
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Zikten
09/12/18 3:04:44 PM
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Slow ass people. Only took them 90 years
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pebblethefleet
09/12/18 3:05:30 PM
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They? Now? This has been a point of discussion for as long as Ive been into him, which is at least 10 years now
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Rexdragon125
09/12/18 3:08:24 PM
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LuffySkull posted...
Yeah. He had views of his time. They were not good views but it wasnt as crazy to believe that back then.

You can enjoy his works without saying you like his views

This

People were more racist then, oh no
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eston
09/12/18 3:08:59 PM
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Alpha218
09/12/18 3:10:18 PM
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eston posted...
People have been saying this for years actually

Many, many years
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Antifar
09/12/18 3:10:43 PM
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Now?
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Blue_Inigo
09/12/18 3:10:52 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
eston posted...
People have been saying this for years actually

Many, many years

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creativerealms
09/12/18 3:11:19 PM
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Now? The man is well known for his racism. It doesn't change the quality of his work but this isn't a new thing. The man was very racist and very sexist.
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nemu
09/12/18 3:13:09 PM
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I don't get this idea that someone's abhorrent views should affect their entire cultural perception. Like, if there's a statue of a guy and it turns out the guy raped and murdered a bunch of people in the 1700s, sure, take down that statue. But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares? Those actions and views should not be held in high regard, but we also do not have to scrub them from literally everything. This is especially true in a society where people buy and sell Hitler's book.
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MeowMix101
09/12/18 3:15:44 PM
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nemu posted...
I don't get this idea that someone's abhorrent views should affect their entire cultural perception. Like, if there's a statue of a guy and it turns out the guy raped and murdered a bunch of people in the 1700s, sure, take down that statue. But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares? Those actions and views should not be held in high regard, but we also do not have to scrub them from literally everything. This is especially true in a society where people buy and sell Hitler's book.

and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions, there is a reason why he is both the grandfather of communism and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)
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Doom_Art
09/12/18 3:16:11 PM
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nemu posted...
But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares?

I mean it's been a while since I've read them, but Lovecraft's views were pretty out of the mainstream even in the 20s
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Doom_Art
09/12/18 3:16:56 PM
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MeowMix101 posted...
and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)

The Nazi Party vehemently opposed socialists and communists prior to and after assuming power in Germany
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Blue_Inigo
09/12/18 3:18:57 PM
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nemu posted...
I don't get this idea that someone's abhorrent views should affect their entire cultural perception. Like, if there's a statue of a guy and it turns out the guy raped and murdered a bunch of people in the 1700s, sure, take down that statue. But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares? Those actions and views should not be held in high regard, but we also do not have to scrub them from literally everything. This is especially true in a society where people buy and sell Hitler's book.

Nah thats stupid. Fuck em
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Trigger_Walnut
09/12/18 3:20:12 PM
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"Now"? Lovecraft fans talk about his racism every week. I would know what with being in a few of their circles.
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smoke_break
09/12/18 3:20:23 PM
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Even for his time this dude was racist af.
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dreamvoid
09/12/18 3:20:49 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
nemu posted...
But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares?

I mean it's been a while since I've read them, but Lovecraft's views were pretty out of the mainstream even in the 20s

you're right. his views weren't just segregation is good. they were lynchings are good and protect people from the black menace.
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nemu
09/12/18 3:22:13 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
nemu posted...
But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares?

I mean it's been a while since I've read them, but Lovecraft's views were pretty out of the mainstream even in the 20s

He might be a bit more extreme in general, but I mostly mean in the context that you're going to find way more openly racist people from the 1860s to the 1960s than you would find in today's culture. Nobody should be overly shocked if some figure from that period or earlier holds horrible views. It doesn't change their writing. It doesn't change what they contributed to the world.
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Zikten
09/12/18 3:24:33 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
nemu posted...
I don't get this idea that someone's abhorrent views should affect their entire cultural perception. Like, if there's a statue of a guy and it turns out the guy raped and murdered a bunch of people in the 1700s, sure, take down that statue. But if a person committed acts that were the cultural norm or held views that might have been culturally normal, who cares? Those actions and views should not be held in high regard, but we also do not have to scrub them from literally everything. This is especially true in a society where people buy and sell Hitler's book.

Nah thats stupid. Fuck em

No it's not. Most people in history had abhorrent giews to today's standards. If we do what you want we would wipe clean 90% of human history and culture
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IloveJesus
09/12/18 3:26:27 PM
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dreamvoid posted...
well, he was racist, and not in the casual way. that doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy his works, though.

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monkmith
09/12/18 3:30:16 PM
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MeowMix101 posted...

and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions, there is a reason why he is both the grandfather of communism and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)

that's revisionist history at its finest. go to any book burnings lately?
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mario2000
09/12/18 3:33:51 PM
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lovecraft was a well-known racist ever since he was alive

where the fuck have you been tc
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brestugo
09/12/18 3:34:07 PM
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smoke_break posted...
Even for his time this dude was racist af.


This.
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creativerealms
09/12/18 3:34:44 PM
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Hitler's group took over the existing National Socialist party in Germany and kept that name for themselves. They were not Marxists or communists though.
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NibeIungsnarf
09/12/18 3:34:57 PM
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MeowMix101 posted...
and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions

This is dumb and I'm 99% sure you know it.
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MeowMix101
09/12/18 3:35:59 PM
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monkmith posted...
MeowMix101 posted...

and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions, there is a reason why he is both the grandfather of communism and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)

that's revisionist history at its finest. go to any book burnings lately?

lenin based communism(he just changed good amount honestly) off socialism and the nazi parties original name National Socialist German Workers' Party which was later changed to the nazi party
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pebblethefleet
09/12/18 3:37:04 PM
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MeowMix101 posted...
monkmith posted...
MeowMix101 posted...

and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions, there is a reason why he is both the grandfather of communism and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)

that's revisionist history at its finest. go to any book burnings lately?

lenin based communism off socialism and the nazi parties original name National Socialist German Workers' Party which was later changed to the nazi party


Lmao you showed your hand. Good run tho
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mario2000
09/12/18 3:37:41 PM
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ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb
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monkmith
09/12/18 3:40:39 PM
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MeowMix101 posted...
monkmith posted...
MeowMix101 posted...

and yet we keep marx statues up when his ideology has lead to killing millions, there is a reason why he is both the grandfather of communism and nazi party(they got into power under saying they were socialists)

that's revisionist history at its finest. go to any book burnings lately?

lenin based communism(he just changed good amount honestly) off socialism and the nazi parties original name National Socialist German Workers' Party which was later changed to the nazi party

republicans and peoples republic sound a lot alike... REPUBLICANS ARE COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
09/12/18 3:46:47 PM
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mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.
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NibeIungsnarf
09/12/18 3:47:37 PM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.

So he's wrong.
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specialkid8
09/12/18 3:47:41 PM
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dreamvoid posted...

you're right. his views weren't just segregation is good. they were lynchings are good and protect people from the black menace.


Never heard anything like this. Where'd it come from?
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pebblethefleet
09/12/18 3:58:01 PM
#39:


DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.


He literally just said Lenin was inspired by the Nazis
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
09/12/18 4:13:03 PM
#40:


pebblethefleet posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.


He literally just said Lenin was inspired by the Nazis

Uh...no he didn't? He said Lenin was inspired by socialism. Socialism was around long before the Nazis, Lenin, or Marx.
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pebblethefleet
09/12/18 4:15:52 PM
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
pebblethefleet posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.


He literally just said Lenin was inspired by the Nazis

Uh...no he didn't? He said Lenin was inspired by socialism. Socialism was around long before the Nazis, Lenin, or Marx.


Lenin based communism off socialism and the Nazi partys original name...

Either he said that or hes illiterate and cant construct a proper sentence
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Paper_Okami
09/12/18 4:19:33 PM
#42:


LuffySkull posted...
Yeah. He had views of his time. They were not good views but it wasnt as crazy to believe that back then.

You can enjoy his works without saying you like his views


He was considered racist even for his time
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southcoast09
09/12/18 4:20:46 PM
#43:


davyheinz posted...
Who is they?

The same people it always is.
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Doom_Art
09/12/18 4:22:40 PM
#44:


southcoast09 posted...
The same people it always is.

Ah yes

(((them)))

more anti-semitic conspiracies from southcoast
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ThyCorndog
09/12/18 4:22:52 PM
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people realized he was racist a while ago. I remember this discussion from some years back. not really news tbh
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mario2000
09/12/18 4:26:15 PM
#46:


DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.

"he's not wrong except for the part where he's wrong"
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
09/12/18 10:26:39 PM
#47:


pebblethefleet posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
pebblethefleet posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
mario2000 posted...
ok people you can safely ignore the obvious sockpuppet account "MeowMix101"

this topic started off pointless but now it's pointless and dumb

I mean, he's not wrong. The NSDAP did start out as socialists (or at least sprang from a socialist party), but Hitler had the socialists killed in the purge of 1934.


He literally just said Lenin was inspired by the Nazis

Uh...no he didn't? He said Lenin was inspired by socialism. Socialism was around long before the Nazis, Lenin, or Marx.


Lenin based communism off socialism and the Nazi partys original name...

Either he said that or hes illiterate and cant construct a proper sentence

I hope it's the sentence one, given that Lenin died in 1924 and the Nazi party was only formed in 1920.
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ElatedVenusaur
09/12/18 11:11:51 PM
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It should be obvious he's super racist just from the few times he mentions actual black people in his stories.
That knowledge hurts At The Mountains of Madness a little bit.
I can't help but think he intends for the reader to equate the Shoggoths with black people.
In the end, he's still a great writer and well worth reading.
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VTBM
09/12/18 11:14:03 PM
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ledbowman
09/12/18 11:14:24 PM
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Not like he was subtle about it.
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