Current Events > Two diversity advocates from Riot Games fired after defending women-only panel

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Text is a bit long, so you can read the story in this link:

https://kotaku.com/two-riot-employees-leave-under-complicated-circumstance-1828886072

The exact reasons are unclear, but given recent events, the reasons look obvious. What say you?

Good. It was a terrible idea to gate off all their career development panels in a state where that's literally illegal for paid conventions and then double down when called out.
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why didnt men just go there and say "im nonbinary"

what are the people running it gonna do? assume their gender??

Good, that was so dumb of them and it just turns people off from the message you're trying to convey.
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https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1035757067389132800
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Highwind07 posted...

This is like the Jessica Price fiasco except with the sexes reversed.

literally. he's also "exited" the company
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Highwind07 posted...

Vampire_Wreath posted...

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1035757067389132800

This is like the Jessica Price fiasco except with the sexes reversed.

I forget. What happened with her?
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https://twitter.com/Gogo_Usagi/status/1038126926810906625

He retweeted this too, "exit" indeed
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Good. Those guys were unprofessional online. Also I think I read that one of them is known to fart in coworkers faces. Not exactly a noble man

Let's see how the story unfolds.

dontIoseyourway posted...

why didnt men just go there and say "im nonbinary"

what are the people running it gonna do? assume their gender??

Ive wondered this myself.
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If you don't want to lose your job, don't be a hostile prick to your customers.

What's up with game devs holding their playerbase in total contempt? If it weren't for those committed players, your game wouldn't be the success that it is.
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Riot sounds like the worst company on Earth to work for.
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I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

They tried running a "literally only women may even attend" panel, not just a "women from our industry/ company" one?

Yikes.
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This is the guild war thing again
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GiftedACIII posted...

This is the guild war thing again

Not even a little bit
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...you had the chance to shut down the toxicity of your own player base but didnt.

This is exactly why get woke go broke is a rule of law. You think shutting down toxicity of the playerbase means the players are just going to shut up and keep giving you money? You may succeed in shutting down the toxicity of the player base but its only because the playerbase left.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

Doesn't Riot develop League of Legends? Isn't LoL still the biggest MOBA game on the block?

That bro culture doesn't seen to be hurting business much.
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Good riddance.
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Metro2 posted...

Let's see how the story unfolds.

I hate when people use words like brave and fearless as adjectives for bullshit virtue signaling like this.
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chrono625 posted...

Metro2 posted...

Let's see how the story unfolds.

I hate when people use words like brave and fearless as adjectives for bullshit virtue signaling like this.

You just need to remember that posting stuff on Twitter is the same as being fearless and brave so any type of virtue signalling is damn near heroic to a lot of these people.
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Esrac posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

Doesn't Riot develop League of Legends? Isn't LoL still the biggest MOBA game on the block?

That bro culture doesn't seen to be hurting business much.

He's talking about the culture within the development studio. There was an article a month or so ago about it.
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Darmik posted...

Esrac posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

Doesn't Riot develop League of Legends? Isn't LoL still the biggest MOBA game on the block?

That bro culture doesn't seen to be hurting business much.

He's talking about the culture within the development studio. There was an article a month or so ago about it.

I know. That's what I'm referring to.

Having a "toxic bro culture" in their studio doesn't seem to be hurting their business much.
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s0nicfan posted...

Good. It was a terrible idea to gate off all their career development panels in a state where that's literally illegal for paid conventions and then double down when called out.

Esrac posted...

Darmik posted...

Esrac posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

Doesn't Riot develop League of Legends? Isn't LoL still the biggest MOBA game on the block?

That bro culture doesn't seen to be hurting business much.

He's talking about the culture within the development studio. There was an article a month or so ago about it.

I know. That's what I'm referring to.

Having a "toxic bro culture" in their studio doesn't seem to be hurting their business much.

They've been losing employees over it and have been hit with bad publicity so I don't know what else you're expecting. Most gamers do not give one shit about the working conditions of developers.

Even calling gamers 'manbabies' could be a consequence of it.
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it is for actually having the panel or their hostility
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Delirious_Beard posted...

it is for actually having the panel or their hostility

The latter. While the panel was a bad idea (It was actually all panels from opening until about 2PM, which included their only resume review, their only meet the QA staff, and their only course on production... so basically all the career development panels), Riot explicitly instructed ALL staff to not engage with the community over the controversy, and the two fired people explicitly went against company orders to start shit.
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Darmik posted...

Esrac posted...

Darmik posted...

Esrac posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I mean, everything I've heard suggests that Riot has a pretty toxic bro culture.

But you don't attack your fans like that...

Doesn't Riot develop League of Legends? Isn't LoL still the biggest MOBA game on the block?

That bro culture doesn't seen to be hurting business much.

He's talking about the culture within the development studio. There was an article a month or so ago about it.

I know. That's what I'm referring to.

Having a "toxic bro culture" in their studio doesn't seem to be hurting their business much.

They've been losing employees over it and have been hit with bad publicity so I don't know what else you're expecting. Most gamers do not give one shit about the working conditions of developers.

Even calling gamers 'manbabies' could be a consequence of it.

Businesses lose employees for a variety of reasons. They're still one of the most successful PC games around and, I assume, that comes with a profitable product. In the end, that's what matters.

Yeah, there is some bad publicity but most people, their fans especially, don't seem to care. Yeah, there were some articles from the usual outlets criticizing them for it, but so what? Those sites are typically mocked by gamers anyway, so I doubt the playerbase cares much about that publicity. Publicity that'll be mostly forgotten by the public within a year.

I'd wager you'd see a lot of gamers applauding Riot for firing the employees that were shitting on their audience.
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Esrac posted...

Businesses lose employees for a variety of reasons. They're still one of the most successful PC games around and, I assume, that comes with a profitable product. In the end, that's what matters.

Yeah, there is some bad publicity but most people, their fans especially, don't seem to care. Yeah, there were some articles from the usual outlets criticizing them for it, but so what? Those sites are typically mocked by gamers anyway, so I doubt the playerbase cares much about that publicity. Publicity that'll be mostly forgotten by the public within a year.

I'd wager you'd see a lot of gamers applauding Riot for firing the employees that were shitting on their audience.

Claiming that their toxic bro culture will adversely effect their product is on the same level of lunacy as claiming Nike will tank because of the Colin Kaepernick endorsement.
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Nobody here is talking about it impacting sales. Success doesn't justify a shitty workplace

If good employees leave because it's a shitty place to work at that's a negative impact. That's all.

None of this stuff with Riot impacts gamers. If you don't care why even talk about it at all?
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lets see almost get a law suit on the company, telling people to kill themselves by have your men only panel in a jet engine(I think only read it 2nd hand) and most likely angering the Chinese company tencent (which last I checked hate idiots losing business) that owns riot

Darmik posted...

Nobody here is talking about it impacting sales. Success doesn't justify a shitty workplace

If good employees leave because it's a shitty place to work at that's a negative impact. That's all.

None of this stuff with Riot impacts gamers. If you don't care why even talk about it at all?

If Riot devs want to run their studio like a frat, that's their business. At the best case, it might be conducive to the success of their game and at the worst it doesn't seem to have had any meaningfully negative impact on the quality of their product.

The people that like that environment, or at least can tolerate it, will stay and maybe do well and the people who don't will leave. Beyond that, I think the most important thing is they put out a game that their playerbase enjoys and that they dont rip off their consumers.

You don't have to have a significant level of concern about something to make passing comments. I don't even play the game, so my level of "care" here is mild amusement that people who were very shitty to their primary audience got fired for being so shitty.
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Well I'm glad most businesses have moved away from your attitude otherwise work would still be like Mad Men but with a whole lot more ugly people.
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