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EliteLevel
09/06/18 3:50:06 PM
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Why didnt they just take their cloaks off and sneak up the hill invisibly and take the ring?
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Touch
09/06/18 4:20:02 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
The main reason for the Nazgul wearing the cloaks was to interact with normal people. This they did to try and ascertain the location of the ring as can be seen by their encounters with the Gaffer and Farmer Maggot, not to mention their manipulation of Bill Ferny and other folk in Bree. The Nazgul were incredibly confident in themselves and the power that they held over the little folk in the west lands of Middle Earth during the Third Age. They were not aware that a man of Strider's stature was with the Hobbits at Weathertop, and even if they had know that a man was with them, they wouldn't have known that it was the descendant of the Numenorian Kings. Thus, the reason that they didn't take off their cloaks must come down to the fact that they were overconfident. After the very successful infiltration of Bree and then the relentless tracking of the Hobbits, they would have had no reason to take off their cloaks for the battle at Weathertop. It is a huge theme in the Lord of the Rings that the Enemy's main downfall is his overconfidence, as Gandalf states at the Council of Elrond that Sauron would never even consider the fact they would send in Hobbits to Mordor to destroy the ring. So before you try and poke holes in the masterwork of JRR Tolkien, why don't you just enjoy the books for what they are and stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:21:25 PM
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stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

Im just making a point.
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scar the 1
09/06/18 4:27:10 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

Im just making a point.

It's a bad point
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pegusus123456
09/06/18 4:27:41 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
EliteLevel posted...
stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

Im just making a point.

It's a bad point

You might say it's a little whiney bitchy point
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eggcorn
09/06/18 4:28:55 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
The main reason for the Nazgul wearing the cloaks was to interact with normal people. This they did to try and ascertain the location of the ring as can be seen by their encounters with the Gaffer and Farmer Maggot, not to mention their manipulation of Bill Ferny and other folk in Bree. The Nazgul were incredibly confident in themselves and the power that they held over the little folk in the west lands of Middle Earth during the Third Age. They were not aware that a man of Strider's stature was with the Hobbits at Weathertop, and even if they had know that a man was with them, they wouldn't have known that it was the descendant of the Numenorian Kings. Thus, the reason that they didn't take off their cloaks must come down to the fact that they were overconfident. After the very successful infiltration of Bree and then the relentless tracking of the Hobbits, they would have had no reason to take off their cloaks for the battle at Weathertop. It is a huge theme in the Lord of the Rings that the Enemy's main downfall is his overconfidence, as Gandalf states at the Council of Elrond that Sauron would never even consider the fact they would send in Hobbits to Mordor to destroy the ring. So before you try and poke holes in the masterwork of JRR Tolkien, why don't you just enjoy the books for what they are and stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:29:17 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
EliteLevel posted...
stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

Im just making a point.

It's a bad point

You might say it's a little whiney bitchy point


Talking about points, how nice is your feminine penis?
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hollow_shrine
09/06/18 4:32:40 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
The main reason for the Nazgul wearing the cloaks was to interact with normal people. This they did to try and ascertain the location of the ring as can be seen by their encounters with the Gaffer and Farmer Maggot, not to mention their manipulation of Bill Ferny and other folk in Bree. The Nazgul were incredibly confident in themselves and the power that they held over the little folk in the west lands of Middle Earth during the Third Age. They were not aware that a man of Strider's stature was with the Hobbits at Weathertop, and even if they had know that a man was with them, they wouldn't have known that it was the descendant of the Numenorian Kings. Thus, the reason that they didn't take off their cloaks must come down to the fact that they were overconfident. After the very successful infiltration of Bree and then the relentless tracking of the Hobbits, they would have had no reason to take off their cloaks for the battle at Weathertop. It is a huge theme in the Lord of the Rings that the Enemy's main downfall is his overconfidence, as Gandalf states at the Council of Elrond that Sauron would never even consider the fact they would send in Hobbits to Mordor to destroy the ring. So before you try and poke holes in the masterwork of JRR Tolkien, why don't you just enjoy the books for what they are and stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

kuh!

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treewojima
09/06/18 4:33:17 PM
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damn, TC got bodied
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:34:13 PM
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treewojima posted...
damn, TC got bodied


Huh? Im not the one who spent ages typing all that out.
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CelestialVoices
09/06/18 4:36:21 PM
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tell us more dr agon
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VectorChaos
09/06/18 4:36:27 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
The main reason for the Nazgul wearing the cloaks was to interact with normal people. This they did to try and ascertain the location of the ring as can be seen by their encounters with the Gaffer and Farmer Maggot, not to mention their manipulation of Bill Ferny and other folk in Bree. The Nazgul were incredibly confident in themselves and the power that they held over the little folk in the west lands of Middle Earth during the Third Age. They were not aware that a man of Strider's stature was with the Hobbits at Weathertop, and even if they had know that a man was with them, they wouldn't have known that it was the descendant of the Numenorian Kings. Thus, the reason that they didn't take off their cloaks must come down to the fact that they were overconfident. After the very successful infiltration of Bree and then the relentless tracking of the Hobbits, they would have had no reason to take off their cloaks for the battle at Weathertop. It is a huge theme in the Lord of the Rings that the Enemy's main downfall is his overconfidence, as Gandalf states at the Council of Elrond that Sauron would never even consider the fact they would send in Hobbits to Mordor to destroy the ring. So before you try and poke holes in the masterwork of JRR Tolkien, why don't you just enjoy the books for what they are and stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.


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Mr_Biscuit
09/06/18 4:37:16 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
The main reason for the Nazgul wearing the cloaks was to interact with normal people. This they did to try and ascertain the location of the ring as can be seen by their encounters with the Gaffer and Farmer Maggot, not to mention their manipulation of Bill Ferny and other folk in Bree. The Nazgul were incredibly confident in themselves and the power that they held over the little folk in the west lands of Middle Earth during the Third Age. They were not aware that a man of Strider's stature was with the Hobbits at Weathertop, and even if they had know that a man was with them, they wouldn't have known that it was the descendant of the Numenorian Kings. Thus, the reason that they didn't take off their cloaks must come down to the fact that they were overconfident. After the very successful infiltration of Bree and then the relentless tracking of the Hobbits, they would have had no reason to take off their cloaks for the battle at Weathertop. It is a huge theme in the Lord of the Rings that the Enemy's main downfall is his overconfidence, as Gandalf states at the Council of Elrond that Sauron would never even consider the fact they would send in Hobbits to Mordor to destroy the ring. So before you try and poke holes in the masterwork of JRR Tolkien, why don't you just enjoy the books for what they are and stop trying to be a little whiney bitch.

That escalated so quickly and I love it

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hollow_shrine
09/06/18 4:39:08 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
treewojima posted...
damn, TC got bodied


Huh? Im not the one who spent ages typing all that out.

There's no sense getting defensive. There's a kind of catharsis in thinking you've got game only to be seen through and dominated so thoroughly it's as though you were never there at all. Soon, you'll look back in retrospect and have to appreciate not only that it happened, but that you were there, and that through your sacrifice we all learned.

CelestialVoices posted...
tell us more dr agon

Yes, educate us daddy~
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clearaflagrantj
09/06/18 4:40:17 PM
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You can't type out a PhD level LotR thesis and then try to act like a tough guy in the same post
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scar the 1
09/06/18 4:41:28 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
PhD level LotR thesis


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DrizztLink
09/06/18 4:42:29 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
Huh? Im not the one who spent ages typing all that out.

No, you got made to look like a jackass.

If you want that distinction, you do you.
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:43:02 PM
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My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?
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scar the 1
09/06/18 4:44:49 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?

They had already stabbed Frodo with the Morgul blade at that point.
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TheSextMachine
09/06/18 4:45:09 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?

They never met him again until the battle at the gate.
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:46:33 PM
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TheSextMachine posted...
EliteLevel posted...
My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?

They never met him again until the battle at the gate.


After their failed attack they could have come back. He didnt destroy them.
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sktgamer_13dude
09/06/18 4:50:15 PM
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Did you not read the part about the enemy is always super overconfident and thats their downfall or what.

They also didnt know where the ring was for most of the journey.
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scar the 1
09/06/18 4:50:46 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
TheSextMachine posted...
EliteLevel posted...
My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?

They never met him again until the battle at the gate.


After their failed attack they could have come back. He didnt destroy them.

Again, they stabbed Frodo, and expected him to come to them.
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:53:12 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Did you not read the part about the enemy is always super overconfident and thats their downfall or what.

They also didnt know where the ring was for most of the journey.


Yes but after getting their asses kicked their next move logically should be to become invisible and take the ring without anyone noticing.

scar the 1 posted...
EliteLevel posted...
TheSextMachine posted...
EliteLevel posted...
My question still remains unanswered. After they learnt Aragorn isnt just a normal man why didnt they come back invisible?

They never met him again until the battle at the gate.


After their failed attack they could have come back. He didnt destroy them.

Again, they stabbed Frodo, and expected him to come to them.


Well that was dumb of them.
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scar the 1
09/06/18 4:54:55 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
Well that was dumb of them.

Yeah, that's part of the whole overconfidence thing
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pegusus123456
09/06/18 4:55:48 PM
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The irony is that TC is complaining about the Nazgul being dumb because they're overconfident while also making dumb complaints because he's overconfident.
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 4:56:49 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
EliteLevel posted...
Well that was dumb of them.

Yeah, that's part of the whole overconfidence thing


I see.
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scar the 1
09/06/18 5:03:31 PM
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Keep in mind that no one knew much about the resilience of Hobbits. Hindsight is 20/20 but the Nazgl didn't do anything wrong given the information they had.
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Allanon23
09/06/18 5:03:56 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
Well that was dumb of them.


I mean, it would have happened if Frodo wasn't able to reach the Elves.
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DarthAragorn
09/06/18 5:04:07 PM
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lmao at second post
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pegusus123456
09/06/18 5:05:20 PM
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lmao TC decided to retaliate the accusation that he was whiny by marking that post
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 5:07:33 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
lmao TC decided to retaliate the accusation that he was whiny by marking that post


I see its been deleted. I didnt report him/her/other. I never report anyone for anything. It must have been some other whiney bitch.
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Dr_Agon
09/06/18 5:11:20 PM
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Sorry, I just came back to this topic and think I may have ruffled some feathers. My apologies to EliteLevel, I should not have called you a whiney bitch. Your question is a very fair one, and its something that I haven't thought about in quite a while. I have just become jaded over years of people saying things like, "Why didn't they just get the eagles to drop the ring in Mount Doom?"

To answer your subsequent questions, the Nazgul were taken completely by surprise. I can't stress enough how much the overconfidence factor plays a part in this. Remember that the Hobbits (with an injured Frodo) and Strider were about 14 days away from Rivendell. The Witch King had managed to give Frodo what should have been a mortal wound, had he not had the mental fortitude which he possessed (which is why he was the ring bearer). They had expected to easily take the ring at Weathertop but were met instead by the most powerful human in existence at the time, as well as 4 incredibly brave Hobbits, armed with the knowledge of what they protected, and blades which they foraged from the Barrow Wights, which were specifically designed to battle against the Nazgul in days gone by. And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words uttered by someone like that, and then getting driven back by the most powerful being from the race of men in 3000 years. They expected to win easily, and even after getting driven back, they had 14 days to get the ring, so once again, they were confident that they would triumph.
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prince_leo
09/06/18 5:13:26 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
I have just become jaded over years of people saying things like, "Why didn't they just get the eagles to drop the ring in Mount Doom?"

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EliteLevel
09/06/18 5:14:26 PM
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No need to apologise, you didnt ruffle my feathers. I cant prove it but I promise it wasnt me who reported you.
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hollow_shrine
09/06/18 5:14:54 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
Sorry, I just came back to this topic and think I may have ruffled some feathers. My apologies to EliteLevel, I should not have called you a whiney bitch. Your question is a very fair one, and its something that I haven't thought about in quite a while. I have just become jaded over years of people saying things like, "Why didn't they just get the eagles to drop the ring in Mount Doom?"

To answer your subsequent questions, the Nazgul were taken completely by surprise. I can't stress enough how much the overconfidence factor plays a part in this. Remember that the Hobbits (with an injured Frodo) and Strider were about 14 days away from Rivendell. The Witch King had managed to give Frodo what should have been a mortal wound, had he not had the mental fortitude which he possessed (which is why he was the ring bearer). They had expected to easily take the ring at Weathertop but were met instead by the most powerful human in existence at the time, as well as 4 incredibly brave Hobbits, armed with the knowledge of what they protected, and blades which they foraged from the Barrow Wights, which were specifically designed to battle against the Nazgul in days gone by. And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words uttered by someone like that, and then getting driven back by the most powerful being from the race of men in 3000 years. They expected to win easily, and even after getting driven back, they had 14 days to get the ring, so once again, they were confident that they would triumph.

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scar the 1
09/06/18 5:15:01 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words

This shouldn't be understated. Invoking "holy" things like this is a big deal in Middle-Earth.
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 5:15:31 PM
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Dr_Agon posted...
Sorry, I just came back to this topic and think I may have ruffled some feathers. My apologies to EliteLevel, I should not have called you a whiney bitch. Your question is a very fair one, and its something that I haven't thought about in quite a while. I have just become jaded over years of people saying things like, "Why didn't they just get the eagles to drop the ring in Mount Doom?"

To answer your subsequent questions, the Nazgul were taken completely by surprise. I can't stress enough how much the overconfidence factor plays a part in this. Remember that the Hobbits (with an injured Frodo) and Strider were about 14 days away from Rivendell. The Witch King had managed to give Frodo what should have been a mortal wound, had he not had the mental fortitude which he possessed (which is why he was the ring bearer). They had expected to easily take the ring at Weathertop but were met instead by the most powerful human in existence at the time, as well as 4 incredibly brave Hobbits, armed with the knowledge of what they protected, and blades which they foraged from the Barrow Wights, which were specifically designed to battle against the Nazgul in days gone by. And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words uttered by someone like that, and then getting driven back by the most powerful being from the race of men in 3000 years. They expected to win easily, and even after getting driven back, they had 14 days to get the ring, so once again, they were confident that they would triumph.


That makes sense.
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Touch
09/06/18 6:12:59 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
Dr_Agon posted...
And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words

This shouldn't be understated. Invoking "holy" things like this is a big deal in Middle-Earth.

What that mean
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EliteLevel
09/06/18 6:15:42 PM
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Touch posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Dr_Agon posted...
And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words

This shouldn't be understated. Invoking "holy" things like this is a big deal in Middle-Earth.

What that mean


Certain names have power associated with them.
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scar the 1
09/06/18 6:30:52 PM
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Touch posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Dr_Agon posted...
And even after Frodo had been stabbed, he screamed Elbereth! O Gilthoniel! Imagine the shock of the Witch King hearing these words

This shouldn't be understated. Invoking "holy" things like this is a big deal in Middle-Earth.

What that mean

A lot of power in ME is intangible. The light of the Silmarils is so powerful that the mention of their name or its reflection caught in water is enough to empower someone or to weaken the enemy. To be mighty isn't necessarily knowing spells, it's having mental fortitude and a big "presence". A good example is when Frodo towers over Gollum on the slope of Mount Doom. He completely dominates him. Similarly, Aragorn is described as pretty much untouchable in the battle of Pelennor Fields.
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