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Zikten
09/03/18 3:26:53 PM
#51:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zikten posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
She should have just hit him somewhere else

she'd still get in trouble but not as much. what she did could have kiled him. she probably is going to be charged with attempted murder.


Attempted murder requires a full on attempt to murder which is not too likely in a case like this. I would have to see video.

well cracking someone's skull open with a baseball bat is very deadly. if she didn't think he might die, she is simply a huge dangerous idiot.
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ultimate reaver
09/03/18 3:28:31 PM
#52:


maybe that fixed something in his head
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immaWHOOPdatASS
09/03/18 3:28:37 PM
#53:


Zikten posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zikten posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
She should have just hit him somewhere else

she'd still get in trouble but not as much. what she did could have kiled him. she probably is going to be charged with attempted murder.


Attempted murder requires a full on attempt to murder which is not too likely in a case like this. I would have to see video.

well cracking someone's skull open with a baseball bat is very deadly. if she didn't think he might die, she is simply a huge dangerous idiot.


You can kill someone with a punch to the head. Do all fistfights result in attempted murder charges?
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Prestoff
09/03/18 3:29:35 PM
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There's no defending this guy, he's basically a real life 4chan troll and he was basically asking for something like this to happen so he can claim being "persecuted", but I'm still not a fan of physically assaulting someone unless it's for self-defense. Never throw the first punch.
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eggcorn
09/03/18 3:29:50 PM
#55:


immaWHOOPdatASS posted...
Zikten posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Zikten posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
She should have just hit him somewhere else

she'd still get in trouble but not as much. what she did could have kiled him. she probably is going to be charged with attempted murder.


Attempted murder requires a full on attempt to murder which is not too likely in a case like this. I would have to see video.

well cracking someone's skull open with a baseball bat is very deadly. if she didn't think he might die, she is simply a huge dangerous idiot.


You can kill someone with a punch to the head. Do all fistfights result in attempted murder charges?

This is an embarrassing hill to die on. And you're literally losing an argument with Zikten.
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eston
09/03/18 3:34:09 PM
#56:


Guys like this deserve to have their clocks cleaned, but that doesn't mean you're right for throwing the first punch

I call it the neo nazi paradox
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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 4:19:45 PM
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__aCEr__ posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
She's not going to get convicted of anything.

She spent two months in jail.

For a felony? That's a slap on the wrist
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_Goggalor_
09/03/18 4:23:43 PM
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Should have hit him Negan style.
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Zikten
09/03/18 4:24:09 PM
#59:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Should have hit him Negan style.

That would get her put on death row
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_Goggalor_
09/03/18 4:24:56 PM
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Zikten posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Should have hit him Negan style.

That would get her put on death row


Not in a just world.
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Irregardless
09/03/18 4:26:37 PM
#61:


I wonder if he believes he deserve to be hit with a baseball bat?
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Zikten
09/03/18 4:28:14 PM
#62:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Zikten posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Should have hit him Negan style.

That would get her put on death row


Not in a just world.

So you think people should be murdered for saying words? That's not just, in a civilized nation. You say just world but what you want is the opposite of just
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Zikten
09/03/18 4:28:47 PM
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Irregardless posted...
I wonder if he believes he deserve to be hit with a baseball bat?

He believes that Satan was attacking him and it was a test from God that he had to endure for his faith and mission
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_Goggalor_
09/03/18 4:29:46 PM
#64:


Zikten posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Zikten posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Should have hit him Negan style.

That would get her put on death row


Not in a just world.

So you think people should be murdered for saying words? That's not just, in a civilized nation. You say just world but what you want is the opposite of just


Justice is subjective.
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trappedunderice
09/03/18 4:31:13 PM
#65:


This topic has alot more responsiveness than the exact same one deleted.
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Zikten
09/03/18 4:32:05 PM
#66:


Killing people over words invites a dangerous precident that could someday easily be used against you.
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FrisbeeDude
09/03/18 4:32:16 PM
#67:


What these alt right fanboys dont seem to understand that these social issues dont exist in some academic vaacum. These are real heavy and personal issues that affect real fucking people. Trying to simply provoke them may lead to you getting fucked up
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Zikten
09/03/18 4:34:32 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
What these alt right fanboys dont seem to understand that these social issues dont exist in some academic vaacum. These are real heavy and personal issues that affect real fucking people. Trying to simply provoke them may lead to you getting fucked up

I'm not alt right but CE thinks I am

But I understand why she attacked. But it's wrong. I don't agree with what t4h guy said but it's not against the law for him to say it. It is against the law to attack him though. She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion, had he died
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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 5:43:52 PM
#69:


Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.
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FrisbeeDude
09/03/18 5:48:22 PM
#70:


Zikten posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
What these alt right fanboys dont seem to understand that these social issues dont exist in some academic vaacum. These are real heavy and personal issues that affect real fucking people. Trying to simply provoke them may lead to you getting fucked up

I'm not alt right but CE thinks I am

But I understand why she attacked. But it's wrong. I don't agree with what t4h guy said but it's not against the law for him to say it. It is against the law to attack him though. She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion, had he died


Protip: A LOT of people stop giving a fuck about the law when they feel they're being emotionally provoked. Act accordingly. I dont go to sundown towns with my black lives matter gear because although I have the right to wear it, I prefer my safety over proving a point more times than not
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Zikten
09/03/18 5:53:15 PM
#71:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Protip: A LOT of people stop giving a fuck about the law when they feel they're being emotionally provoked. Act accordingly. I dont go to sundown towns with my black lives matter gear because although I have the right to wear it, I prefer my safety over proving a point more times than not

I get that. people are dumb and do stuff they later regret, in the moment. but you still have to punished. even if someone might be provoking, it's still on the person for acting on it. there is only one excuse for killing, and that's self defense from physical attacks on you. I get that you don't want to be attacked by people for wearing your gear. but if they did attack you, it would be their fault not yours. and they would be arrested
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nemu
09/03/18 5:55:22 PM
#72:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.
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Zikten
09/03/18 6:01:53 PM
#73:


people might say this is nerdy or whatever but here is an example from comic books that I think is relevant to this. Joker's victory he is always trying to do is make Batman slip. to Joker, he wins if he provokes Batman into killing him. It's up to Batman to resist that and never do it. no matter how hard Joker provokes. if Batman ever did slip and killed Joker, it would be on him for giving in,
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UnfairRepresent
09/03/18 6:02:45 PM
#74:


yusiko posted...
immaWHOOPdatASS posted...
And I see these motherfuckers on campus regularly too with megaphones and signs and shit. What do they even gain from it?


well the WBC is full of lawyers
they spew hate speech to provoke people into responding to them and then sue them for it

Yup

And people STILL Fall for it
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UnfairRepresent
09/03/18 6:03:53 PM
#75:


Zikten posted...
people might say this is nerdy or whatever but here is an example from comic books that I think is relevant to this. Joker's victory he is always trying to do is make Batman slip. to Joker, he wins if he provokes Batman into killing him. It's up to Batman to resist that and never do it. no matter how hard Joker provokes. if Batman ever did slip and killed Joker, it would be on him for giving in,

If I was a cop in Gotham I'd just shoot the Joker in the face any one of the 500 times Batman arrested him

Sure my career/life would be over but It'd save Batman's soul and stop Joker from killing thousands of people
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Kitt
09/03/18 6:12:25 PM
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immaWHOOPdatASS posted...
These preachers are fuckin dumb. They definitely don't do this thinking they'll convert people, they're real life trolls. I can't imagine being so committed to being a public asshole on a regular basis.

immaWHOOPdatASS posted...
And I see these motherfuckers on campus regularly too with megaphones and signs and shit. What do they even gain from it?

We just had the Dragon-Con here in Atlanta and every single year during the parade there would be a group of these Christian assholes carrying signs and on their megaphone saying shit like, "Put down your comicbooks and pick up the Bible".
Like, how pathetic and fucked in the head do you have to be to not only keep in mind the time and date stuff like that is happening, but to actually go there with no other intent than to be a shithead wasting your own time more than anything else while others are enjoying themselves? Every. Single. Year.
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Solid Sonic
09/03/18 6:13:34 PM
#77:


Antagonizing people for keks is fun, even at the expense of personal harm.
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DarkTransient
09/03/18 6:15:46 PM
#78:


He deserved it; it's still illegal and she deserves the charges and jail time too.
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Gafemage
09/03/18 6:20:59 PM
#79:


Zikten posted...
people might say this is nerdy or whatever but here is an example from comic books that I think is relevant to this. Joker's victory he is always trying to do is make Batman slip. to Joker, he wins if he provokes Batman into killing him. It's up to Batman to resist that and never do it. no matter how hard Joker provokes. if Batman ever did slip and killed Joker, it would be on him for giving in,

This is the best thing Ive read on GameFAQs this year & I honestly dont think anything can top it.
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Blue_Dream87
09/03/18 6:26:12 PM
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I have no sympathy for the guy and internally cheering, but we can't just let people assault each other for speech. As said, that sets a precedent we don't want to establish. Punish accordingly and move on.

Unfortunately violence only makes these types more zealous, but they're a lost cause anyways IMO. There are better ways of dealing with them, some girl in college got an amp and microphone and played peaceful hippie music that drowned out one dude and got everyone around her instead of heckling and engaging in pointless yelling.
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Hawaiian_punch
09/03/18 6:29:41 PM
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He is one of those losers who provoke others to hit him so they can play the victim
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MangaFan462
09/03/18 6:30:08 PM
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HighOnSolar
09/03/18 6:30:37 PM
#83:


Blue_Inigo posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 7:24:00 PM
#84:


nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.

Once you begin harassing children at school it's no longer a thought crime.
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nemu
09/03/18 7:26:48 PM
#85:


Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.

Once you begin harassing children at school it's no longer a thought crime.

If he is doing something illegal, then the police get called and he gets removed from the area. It's not that hard. If he is grabbing at those children or trying to hurt those children, then he can be freely attacked with the necessary amount of force required to protect them.
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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 7:30:50 PM
#86:


nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.

Once you begin harassing children at school it's no longer a thought crime.

If he is doing something illegal, then the police get called and he gets removed from the area. It's not that hard. If he is grabbing at those children or trying to hurt those children, then he can be freely attacked with the necessary amount of force required to protect them.

Why the fuck should I wait for him to grab my daughter at school?
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nemu
09/03/18 7:33:25 PM
#87:


Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.

Once you begin harassing children at school it's no longer a thought crime.

If he is doing something illegal, then the police get called and he gets removed from the area. It's not that hard. If he is grabbing at those children or trying to hurt those children, then he can be freely attacked with the necessary amount of force required to protect them.

Why the fuck should I wait for him to grab my daughter at school?

Because your preconceived notion of what he will do may not in fact match reality. If a person is concerned, they can call the police and stay close by until they arrive. If the police determine he needs to be removed, either as a measure of public safety or actually arresting him, then that person has done their job. If he is allowed to stay, then the people who do not wish to hear his disgusting rhetoric can leave.
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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 7:34:24 PM
#88:


nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Zikten posted...
She could have ruined her entire life over his stupid opinion,

This isn't just his stupid opinion. For some people out there he's defending and justifying a lifetime of abuse. He's harassing and illegally video recording minors at a public school.

You can't just diminish this as just words. It's more than that.

No, they are just words. They are words that can be very hurtful to some people, but nothing about them justifies hurting the person. People have the recourse of leaving the area, or if the person starts harassing them, to call the police. If you try to justify hurting someone because of thought crimes, the slippery slope will happen. Violence is only justified in bodily self-defense.

Once you begin harassing children at school it's no longer a thought crime.

If he is doing something illegal, then the police get called and he gets removed from the area. It's not that hard. If he is grabbing at those children or trying to hurt those children, then he can be freely attacked with the necessary amount of force required to protect them.

Why the fuck should I wait for him to grab my daughter at school?

Because your preconceived notion of what he will do may not in fact match reality. If a person is concerned, they can call the police and stay close by until they arrive. If the police determine he needs to be removed, either as a measure of public safety or actually arresting him, then that person has done their job. If he is allowed to stay, then the people who do not wish to hear his disgusting rhetoric can leave.

So he shows up and everyone else has to leave? What kind of fucked logic is that?

Also it's a school and the adults have legal responsibilities to stay there and supervise the kids. They can't leave except for an evacuation.
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nemu
09/03/18 7:37:37 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
So he shows up and everyone else has to leave? What kind of fucked logic is that?

If it is determined he is protesting legally, then he has every right to be there. If he is not protesting legally or he is somehow otherwise violating the law, then he does not deserve to be there. I'm not sure how this is so hard to understand. There are people with views so disgusting 99% of people will agree they are disgusting, but what happens when people try to police views that are not universally despised? That is the slippery slope that needs to be avoided.
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cjsdowg
09/03/18 7:40:42 PM
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See that's what I telling you .. I know it is horrible to find this situation funny. But that guy telling him that after he gets cracked upside the head just trips me out.
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Tyranthraxus
09/03/18 7:43:10 PM
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nemu posted...
If it is determined he is protesting legally, then he has every right to be there. If he is not protesting legally or he is somehow otherwise violating the law, then he does not deserve to be there. I'm not sure how this is so hard to understand. There are people with views so disgusting 99% of people will agree they are disgusting, but what happens when people try to police views that are not universally despised? That is the slippery slope that needs to be avoided.


Again. Protesting requires a permit which he didn't have. He's not there legally and is an adult harassing minors.

This has nothing to do with his views, only that he was harassing minors. He could have just been screaming gibberish.
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Zikten
09/03/18 7:43:23 PM
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the reason vigilantism is illegal is because in real life it just isn't trustworthy. you an't trust random people from society to decide who lives or dies. there are many cases of people getting it wrong and hurting innocent people. the case I best like to always give comes from when I was living in Washington state and I remember this guy became a serial killer of sex offenders. he had access to a list that only just said "they did a thing" but gave no details. and the guy was nuts and just assumed everyone on the list was a child molester or rapist.

he killed 3 people I think. and I don't know who 2 were. but one of the victims was innocent. he was only on the list because years earlier when he was in high school he had sex with his girlfriend on school grounds and got caught. and they put him on the sex offender list for that. then many years later he was a married man and this guy killed him. I remember the public also didnt know the details and a crowd formed on the lawn of the widow. and they mocked her and said he deserved to die. then news broke about the guy being innocent and they didnt even apologize and just sheepishly all shuffled off her lawn and went home. and the killer is in prison now.
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Zikten
09/03/18 7:46:01 PM
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I think this is the guy I was talking about

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/the-vigilante-of-clallam-county/281968/

but this article doesn't give the story on the victim that was innocent. but it talks about his trial and that he is in prison for life now. the father of one of the victims might be the father of the victim I was referring to maybe
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nemu
09/03/18 7:46:07 PM
#94:


Tyranthraxus posted...
nemu posted...
If it is determined he is protesting legally, then he has every right to be there. If he is not protesting legally or he is somehow otherwise violating the law, then he does not deserve to be there. I'm not sure how this is so hard to understand. There are people with views so disgusting 99% of people will agree they are disgusting, but what happens when people try to police views that are not universally despised? That is the slippery slope that needs to be avoided.


Again. Protesting requires a permit which he didn't have. He's not there legally and is an adult harassing minors.

This has nothing to do with his views, only that he was harassing minors. He could have just been screaming gibberish.

Then we go back to the calling the police to handle the problem like any rational person, unless the person presents a reason where force is necessary to protect someone. Are we even arguing about anything at this point?
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JfAtS1O3N
09/03/18 8:00:26 PM
#95:


There has never been a more perfect example for the term "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
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Kajagogo
09/03/18 8:02:44 PM
#96:


If we keep giving these people attention they are going to keep doing these things. Let's just Queen Mab them. Turn our backs, walk away and never think about them again.
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immaWHOOPdatASS
09/03/18 8:03:59 PM
#97:


Kajagogo posted...
If we keep giving these people attention they are going to keep doing these things. Let's just Queen Mab them. Turn our backs, walk away and never think about them again.


These people show up on campus even after they don't get attention. They just figure "oh well, better luck next time"
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EmaIdon7
09/03/18 8:04:38 PM
#98:


Some preachers are just rotten
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Zikten
09/03/18 8:05:49 PM
#99:


Kajagogo posted...
Let's just Queen Mab them. Turn our backs, walk away and never think about them again.

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