Current Events > Mark Hamill still doesn't understand The Last Jedi

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Darkman124 posted...

why did it take nearly 40 posts for someone to realize that undermining old heroes was necessary for new heroes to seem relevant

That's not what I said. That's an idiotic statement. The old characters did not need to be destroyed to introduce new characters.
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

His X-Wing was kinda underwater
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I could wish for a better ending to Luke's story arc. A happier one for sure. But this part seemed like something done right. I read this some where but have forgotten where. And I'm not sure I can remember the entire idea.

In return of the jedi, Luke feeds off his rage and beats down Vader. He stops himself realizing what he is going to become if he goes down that rage filled path and kills Vader.

Then in the last jedi, instead of giving the angsty rage filled Kylo the fight he wants Luke faces off with him as a hologram. (and as others have mentioned, no ship to fly there lol)

That's kind of the lesson driven into Luke his whole story arc. How he was trained to be a jedi. Don't give into rage. Don't get caught up in the fight because your blood is running hot. If he had decided to board a ship, fly across the galaxy and face off with the rage filled guy looking for a fight it would have been almost like Luke learned nothing. Instead he controls himself. He confronts Kylo calmly. Tries to reach him with words and in the end buys the time needed for the others to escape. That seems to say that despite the mistakes he made as a jedi leader Luke didn't really fail as a jedi.

Or I could be reading into it far to much and it's all just bad writing.

mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rian Johnson wanted to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

Chris avellone did the same thing 10000x better with kotor 2 and kreia
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Yeah everyone gets he was going "Jedi flawed"

But the prequels showed that, Luke is the new generation who learned, looking to spare Vader even when his teachers told him he couldn't do it.

His version is just this lame "balance is perfectly evil good and evil, Luke is pathetic, new generation is cool"

But Luke wasn't that accepting death over falling, jumping to rescue his friends the second he learns they are in danger even at personal cost, someone who continually learned.

Luke's growth in the OT is fantastic which is why he needs to have been a mentor not throwing all of his character for nothing just to shill the crap of the prequels.

And people find the prequels interesting even through the stupidy that is present.

How often do you hear people talk about clones, Jango Fett, Mace Windu and the like?

The world is extremely interesting, it still feels like part of same universe but brings new ideas.

TLJ is just filmmakers trying to copy the original trilogy with "what if we made Rebels vs Empire again? What if Death Star was even biggerer? What if AT-ATS were even biggerer"

Nothing about that is interesting, I don't care about anything in it and it feels small.

Nobody gives a shit about Phasma who they keep trying to act is like the new Boba Fett or something.

The most unique thing is the cliche stupid romance, because Star Wars barely does romance.
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I mean, if showed up in person, he'd have just been hilariously obliterated by laser cannons
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apolloooo posted...

mew4ever posted...

Its real simple. Rian Johnson wanted to deconstruct how the Jedi are thought of. They arent this immaculately perfect order. They shouldnt be able to solo an entire army. They make mistakes, just like anyone else.

Chris avellone did the same thing 10000x better with kotor 2 and kreia

Ehhh I kind of hate Kriea too, although I still enjoy Kotor 2 she annoys the hell out of me.

Kriea is literally just this meme
https://imgur.com/mApVk3v

but swap sjws for Dark Jedi and anti-sjws for Jedi.
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I thought he did it that way because he expected Kylo to barrage him with lasers, and he wouldn't have lasted long enough to create the necessary diversion.
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Banjo2553 posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I thought he did it that way because he expected Kylo to barrage him with lasers, and he wouldn't have lasted long enough to create the necessary diversion.

The whole idea was to create a legend, and do things he wouldn't actually be able to do with his body.

Luke's actions were less about destroying Kylo and a lot more about opening an opportunity for a brighter tomorrow.
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Jabodie posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I thought he did it that way because he expected Kylo to barrage him with lasers, and he wouldn't have lasted long enough to create the necessary diversion.

The whole idea was to create a legend, and do things he wouldn't actually be able to do with his body.

Luke's actions were less about destroying Kylo and a lot more about opening an opportunity for a brighter tomorrow.

That is the exact opposite of what he spend the movie telling Rey.

Let the Jedi die... then she takes the books.
Legends can't solve all your problems... goes out like a legend.
Bunch of other contradictions in the movie too. Dumb.
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It's almost like Luke had an arc that challenged and changed his views by the end of the movie or something
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i can't get over how un-rewatchable TLJ is.

the thought of revisiting just for the few cool scenes makes me kinda nauseous
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>complain about Luke's portrayal and views
>also complain about the movie showing Luke was wrong
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what happened is rian, jj and the disney goons didnt like what lucas said about them being white slavers so they decided to destroy the characters he created and the franchise while continuing to make money because people will see the series in droves until they stop.
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the problem involving Luke comes directly from Lucas

https://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

The idea was that, 30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet. The paintings show Luke meditating, reassessing his whole life.

Apparently, the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi. So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas Episode 7.

it appears that this was one of the conditions of selling the brand to Disney

so then Rian Johnson's idea to have Luke cut himself off from the Force was the only explanation to have involving why Luke didn't go and save Han in TFA (since many of Luke's defining moments in the OT is how willing he is to save his friends)
which means we need to blame Harrison Ford for wanting Han killed off as a condition of appearing in TFA
which means we need to blame Lucas again for not killing him off back in ROTJ

I get being upset over stuff that happened in the film, but there are deeper issues in the franchise than just blaming Rian Johnson. I like Star Wars, I would actually rate TLJ in the top half of the franchise, but they're not very good films and all but ESB have had some major issues
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Doom_Art posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

His X-Wing was kinda underwater

Dualistic posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I could wish for a better ending to Luke's story arc. A happier one for sure. But this part seemed like something done right. I read this some where but have forgotten where. And I'm not sure I can remember the entire idea.

In return of the jedi, Luke feeds off his rage and beats down Vader. He stops himself realizing what he is going to become if he goes down that rage filled path and kills Vader.

Then in the last jedi, instead of giving the angsty rage filled Kylo the fight he wants Luke faces off with him as a hologram. (and as others have mentioned, no ship to fly there lol)

That's kind of the lesson driven into Luke his whole story arc. How he was trained to be a jedi. Don't give into rage. Don't get caught up in the fight because your blood is running hot. If he had decided to board a ship, fly across the galaxy and face off with the rage filled guy looking for a fight it would have been almost like Luke learned nothing. Instead he controls himself. He confronts Kylo calmly. Tries to reach him with words and in the end buys the time needed for the others to escape. That seems to say that despite the mistakes he made as a jedi leader Luke didn't really fail as a jedi.

Or I could be reading into it far to much and it's all just bad writing.

he could have just gone with Rey
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Jabodie posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

The thing that pissed me off is that

He decided to fight Kylo.... as a fucking hologram. He was gonna die for sure from the effort of keeping his hologram ruse, so why not fight like a man instead and kill Kylo or neutralize him?

I thought he did it that way because he expected Kylo to barrage him with lasers, and he wouldn't have lasted long enough to create the necessary diversion.

The whole idea was to create a legend, and do things he wouldn't actually be able to do with his body.

Luke's actions were less about destroying Kylo and a lot more about opening an opportunity for a brighter tomorrow.

ah.... that makes more sense.

Like "wow, luke can reflect lasers"
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His 'training' was 2 scenes where he bitched at her and that's it. '3' lessons and he only got to 2. And his sudden shift was out of nowhere. Bad as some of the ideas I've heard from Lucas are, what we got was even worse.
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

he could have just

At the point she left he didn't want to
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Jabodie posted...

Luke's actions were less about destroying Kylo and a lot more about opening an opportunity for a brighter tomorrow.

This could lead to a worthwhile payoff if Kylo Ren redeems himself somehow at the end. He originally wanted to be Vader so bad, and maybe he will be like him, just now how Kylo Ren first thought of Vader. Eps 4,5 and 6 were heavy on redemption anyway.
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It's possible, especially after Snoke insulted him and he smashed up his Wannabe Vader mask/helmet thingie
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EternalDivide posted...

There's no understanding it. It was a hit job. An assassination of his character. And all for nothing but the shock value of it.

I said it when it came out. All of that film is terrible. But where as with the prequels they're terrible due to incompetence. They still have a story the tell. With TLJ I got the distinct impression that's it's terrible on purpose. There's an obvious feeling of meanness to the way TLJ is written and directed. The shitting on everything and all the fans can be felt. And it's not clever or makes any sense. You can dig up my old posts about it if anyone wants to. However you do it.
Incompetence vs maliciousness. The first is forgivable. The second is not.

And if you haven't already, go watch the Plinkett review that just came out. They unearthed some old interview of the little pos fuck Rian Johnson where the bastard flat out says that he gets his jollies when his film is as divisive as it can be. WTF?! So without purpose, flying in the face of established characters and rules, shitting of everything in sight. As far as he's concerned as long as he can piss off a good chunk of viewers then destroy it all. Pissing people off is the end goal.
WTF. That sniveling like prick shouldn't be allowed to go near any film for the remainder of his pathetic waste of a life.

This is far and away the most pathetic and childish post I've seen here in ages. Take a fucking bow, like by god was that embarrassing.
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electricbugs2 posted...

This is far and away the most pathetic and childish post I've seen here in ages. Take a fucking bow, like by god was that embarrassing.

I can't fathom being that upset over a movie
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electricbugs2 posted...

This is far and away the most pathetic and childish post I've seen here in ages. Take a fucking bow, like by god was that embarrassing.

Nope.
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Doom_Art posted...

electricbugs2 posted...

This is far and away the most pathetic and childish post I've seen here in ages. Take a fucking bow, like by god was that embarrassing.

I can't fathom being that upset over a movie

Probably one of those dudes who wanted NJO Luke running around as the Star Wars version of Goku, and then threw a fit when it didn't happen.
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electricbugs2 posted...

EternalDivide posted...

There's no understanding it. It was a hit job. An assassination of his character. And all for nothing but the shock value of it.

I said it when it came out. All of that film is terrible. But where as with the prequels they're terrible due to incompetence. They still have a story the tell. With TLJ I got the distinct impression that's it's terrible on purpose. There's an obvious feeling of meanness to the way TLJ is written and directed. The shitting on everything and all the fans can be felt. And it's not clever or makes any sense. You can dig up my old posts about it if anyone wants to. However you do it.
Incompetence vs maliciousness. The first is forgivable. The second is not.

And if you haven't already, go watch the Plinkett review that just came out. They unearthed some old interview of the little pos fuck Rian Johnson where the bastard flat out says that he gets his jollies when his film is as divisive as it can be. WTF?! So without purpose, flying in the face of established characters and rules, shitting of everything in sight. As far as he's concerned as long as he can piss off a good chunk of viewers then destroy it all. Pissing people off is the end goal.
WTF. That sniveling like prick shouldn't be allowed to go near any film for the remainder of his pathetic waste of a life.

This is far and away the most pathetic and childish post I've seen here in ages. Take a fucking bow, like by god was that embarrassing.

I would like to sue for the likely permanent disfiguration my face has suffered from cringing so hard at his post.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Why are the fans actually hating him for not being perfect. Heroes fall eventually, always.

People are not hating for not being perfect. People are hating him for being psycho coward that is responsible for a lot of this shit that is going on and hides on a island when his best friend and sister are fighting for their lives, and the world is going to hell.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

This could lead to a worthwhile payoff if Kylo Ren redeems himself somehow at the end. He originally wanted to be Vader so bad, and maybe he will be like him, just now how Kylo Ren first thought of Vader. Eps 4,5 and 6 were heavy on redemption anyway.

We'll see if that's where JJ takes it. That's definitely not where Johnson wanted it though.

The only way I can see this happening is if Rex somehow manages to usurp Kylo as the big bad in the next movie. And boy would that piss people off.

Aside from the Tico/Finn storyline, but actual biggest annoyance was that they didn't include the Knight of Ren at all.
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I love how people act like the only two options for Luke ar

Pathetic old man who abandons everyone and thinks of murdering people in their sleep.

And

Ridiculously overpowered god tier who solves every problem with a wave of his hand.

Maybe we just wanted a follow through from RotJ? Luke moving past the Jedi and creating something new? Having the new characters directly influenced by the events of the PT and OT instead of random Empire 2: The Electric Boogaloo?
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

I love how people act like the only two options for Luke ar

Pathetic old man who abandons everyone and thinks of murdering people in their sleep.

And

Ridiculously overpowered god tier who solves every problem with a wave of his hand.

Maybe we just wanted a follow through from RotJ? Luke moving past the Jedi and creating something new? Having the new characters directly influenced by the events of the PT and OT instead of random Empire 2: The Electric Boogaloo?

Exactly.
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green butter posted...

I get why Rian Johnson did it, I just dont think its a good decision

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