Current Events > Looks like Basic Income failed again, this time in Canada.

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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 6:34:36 AM
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https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/28/basic-income-recipients-will-sue-ontario-over-cancellation_a_23511127/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage

Reminder that this is what happens when you get just a little too socialist. Everything will go to shit and the spoiled brats who were getting shit for free will complain after they stop getting things they never worked for to begin with.
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knutjob
08/29/18 6:41:05 AM
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Not a supporter of basic income but this isn't a failure. It was cancelled because the local government changed and people are suing because they were promised and paid into something they are no longer getting.
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Roshon
08/29/18 6:45:08 AM
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Dana Bowman, one of the plaintiffs, said the program let her buy her own groceries instead of resorting to using food banks.

Other participants have told HuffPost Canada that the program helped them return to school, grow their small business or move forward after leaving an abusive relationship.


How can you read this and not support basic income? Unless youre a horrible person, that is
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PowerfulSageIRL
08/29/18 6:48:21 AM
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Basic Income is not a socialist policy
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Solar_Crimson
08/29/18 6:56:33 AM
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Roshon posted...
Dana Bowman, one of the plaintiffs, said the program let her buy her own groceries instead of resorting to using food banks.

Other participants have told HuffPost Canada that the program helped them return to school, grow their small business or move forward after leaving an abusive relationship.


How can you read this and not support basic income? Unless youre a horrible person, that is

Because socialism, or something.
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 7:05:10 AM
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Roshon posted...
How can you read this and not support basic income? Unless youre a horrible person, that is

Free money is GREAT for the people getting the free money. In the short term, at least.
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Darmik
08/29/18 7:08:15 AM
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Program cut short

Ontario's former Liberal government launched the program in April 2017. Participants were told they'd receive cheques every month for three years.
A spokesman for Premier Doug Ford said during the campaign that a Progressive Conservative government would let the program run its course.
"We look forward to seeing the results," party spokeswoman Melissa Lantsman told The Toronto Star.
The PCs changed their tune in July and announced they would "wind down" the program. Participants hadn't been notified before the press conference, and tell HuffPost Canada they still haven't received further information about when their income will stop.


So it was cancelled because the Progressive Conservative Party didn't live up to their election promise to keep a program running from the previous administration?
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thelovefist
08/29/18 7:16:23 AM
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Mal's gimmick is to post a hot take topic title then post an article that doesn't support said hot take
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ZMythos
08/29/18 7:17:44 AM
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So once again TC is just full of himself and didn't read past the headline.

Good to know
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alt_no_1_loves
08/29/18 7:23:53 AM
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We should have flairs like on reddit for misleading topic titles.
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 7:25:39 AM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
We should have flairs like on reddit for misleading topic titles.

How's this misleading

They saw BI was gonna cost a shit ton of money so they pulled the plug.

What, do we not get to call BI a failure until after it leads to a country's collapse?
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Kolibri X
08/29/18 7:27:07 AM
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BUI didn't fail just the government that provides it. Huge difference.
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CyricZ
08/29/18 7:29:34 AM
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So wait is this a case of:

1) Start thing
2) People who don't like thing come into power
3) Those in power undermine effectiveness of thing
4) Those in power say "See? Thing doesn't work!"
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thelovefist
08/29/18 7:32:57 AM
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ZMythos posted...
So once again TC is just full of himself and didn't read past the headline.

Good to know

It's not that he didn't read past the headline. It's that he fabricated his own headline entirely.
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 7:33:19 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
BUI didn't fail just the government that provides it. Huge difference.

So it didn't fail in Finland either since the government canceled it before it could lead to a massive debt crisis.

Seems logical.
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alt_no_1_loves
08/29/18 7:35:09 AM
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CyricZ posted...
So wait is this a case of:

1) Start thing
2) People who don't like thing come into power
3) Those in power undermine effectiveness of thing
4) Those in power say "See? Thing doesn't work!"

Sounds mighty familiar...
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QueenCarly
08/29/18 7:38:04 AM
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PowerfulSageIRL posted...
Basic Income is not a socialist policy


Exactly.

UBI is nothing more than an attempt to pacify the working class so they become more comfortable having their labor exploited.

It is better than not having it in a capitalist society, but ultimately it isn't compatible with socialism.
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thelovefist
08/29/18 7:40:15 AM
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This topic should be deleted for trolling. It is a pretty transparent attempt.
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 7:42:53 AM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
CyricZ posted...
So wait is this a case of:

1) Start thing
2) People who don't like thing come into power
3) Those in power undermine effectiveness of thing
4) Those in power say "See? Thing doesn't work!"

Sounds mighty familiar...

Sephiroth1288 posted...
So it didn't fail in Finland either since the government canceled it before it could lead to a massive debt crisis.

Seems logical.

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Southernfatman
08/29/18 7:45:50 AM
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Hell, the people who constantly bitch about BI would be against it even if it was 100% proven to be viable for their various screwed up "reasons".
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thelovefist
08/29/18 7:48:15 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Hell, the people who constantly bitch about BI would be against it even if it was 100% proven to be viable for their various screwed up "reasons".

When someone, like TC, doesn't deal in facts, but instead their feelings it makes it difficult for any reasonable discussion to occur.
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Kolibri X
08/29/18 7:53:09 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Kolibri X posted...
BUI didn't fail just the government that provides it. Huge difference.

So it didn't fail in Finland either since the government canceled it before it could lead to a massive debt crisis.

Seems logical.

"Real BUI hasn't even been attempted yet"
"It's a great idea on paper but people keep messing it up"
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knutjob
08/29/18 7:55:28 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
CyricZ posted...
So wait is this a case of:

1) Start thing
2) People who don't like thing come into power
3) Those in power undermine effectiveness of thing
4) Those in power say "See? Thing doesn't work!"

Sounds mighty familiar...

Sephiroth1288 posted...
So it didn't fail in Finland either since the government canceled it before it could lead to a massive debt crisis.

Seems logical.


If Finland was such a better example to support your case, you should have led with that instead of this bullshit.
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FursonaNonGrata
08/29/18 7:56:39 AM
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I wonder how many people who shitpost about basic income/socialism are shut-ins or have their parents pay for shit
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Webmaster4531
08/29/18 8:12:26 AM
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I'm 100% sure TC is next to his mom reading and typing for him. Only thing that makes sense.
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Thompson
08/29/18 8:15:24 AM
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Hey, what's this topic here? People are saying TC is heavily distorting the truth to suit his agenda? Isn't that what the leftist fake news media does? Aw man...
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EzeDoesIt
08/29/18 8:17:56 AM
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Looks like Topic Creator failed again, this time on CE.
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:18:48 AM
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Mal are you illiterate? Not trying to be mean but that seems to be the case
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:30:13 AM
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Like I'm seriously struggling to understand how you arrived at this interpretation of events, Mal

lol
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thelovefist
08/29/18 8:34:58 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Like I'm seriously struggling to understand how you arrived at this interpretation of events, Mal

lol

thelovefist posted...
Mal's gimmick is to post a hot take topic title then post an article that doesn't support said hot take


thelovefist posted...
This topic should be deleted for trolling. It is a pretty transparent attempt.

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thelovefist
08/29/18 8:48:09 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
How did you read this article and go yeah basic income failed? Like how is that possibly what you got out of it?


thelovefist posted...
Mal's gimmick is to post a hot take topic title then post an article that doesn't support said hot take


thelovefist posted...
This topic should be deleted for trolling. It is a pretty transparent attempt.

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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 8:48:34 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Hell, the people who constantly bitch about BI would be against it even if it was 100% proven to be viable for their various screwed up "reasons".

Except it isn't viable and even the most leftist governments can't get it to work.

knutjob posted...
If Finland was such a better example to support your case, you should have led with that instead of this bullshit.

UBI failing in Finland isn't a current event...

Doom_Art posted...
Like I'm seriously struggling to understand how you arrived at this interpretation of events, Mal

I'm really enjoying watching you struggle to defend UBI with the argument that "they ended it before it could fail, therefore UBI isn't a failure".

Keep going though, I want to see how long you can keep that up.
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:50:26 AM
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Lol I'm not defending UBI

I just don't understand how

Ending a program prematurely = it's a failure

Like, at the start you framed it as though the program failed naturally. I'm curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:50:50 AM
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This is probably more stupid than you thinking NATO was created after 9/11, honestly lol
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CyricZ
08/29/18 8:51:23 AM
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Hey keep up now. He switched his entire argument to complaining about Finland.

Mal is allowed to change his entire argument if he wants.

It's YOU, the people arguing with him, who are held to better standards.
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 8:51:52 AM
#38:


Doom_Art posted...
Ending a program prematurely because it was bound to be a failure = it's a failure

Glad we cleared that up.
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scar the 1
08/29/18 8:52:15 AM
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It's not stupid, it's very deliberately dishonest.
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:53:41 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Ending a program prematurely because it was bound to be a failure = it's a failure

Glad we cleared that up.

So the program didn't fail?

Doom_Art posted...
This is probably more stupid than you thinking NATO was created after 9/11, honestly lol

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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 8:54:46 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
So the program didn't fail?

If a program is so bad that it needs to be canceled even by a political party that supported it, yes that would be called a failure.
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ssjevot
08/29/18 8:55:02 AM
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QueenCarly posted...
PowerfulSageIRL posted...
Basic Income is not a socialist policy


Exactly.

UBI is nothing more than an attempt to pacify the working class so they become more comfortable having their labor exploited.

It is better than not having it in a capitalist society, but ultimately it isn't compatible with socialism.


I don't agree with your rhetoric because I think capitalism is the best current system for providing the most people with the highest quality of life, but you are correct that nothing about a UBI is socialist. It is a form of welfare state capitalism. What is often termed the social safety net designed to provide the least well off with an acceptable standard of living.
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:55:49 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Reminder that Mal also said the Cold War started in the 80s

He said the Cold War started in the 80s? Fucking lol
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Sephiroth1288
08/29/18 8:56:09 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Reminder that Mal also said the Cold War started in the 80s

I like how you guys always need to make shit up every time you're losing an argument.

It's ok, people. UBI sucks. They gave it the old college try, but it just doesn't work. Maybe it will work when we have Star Trek replicators, but not before then.
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:57:31 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
you're losing an argument.

What argument? lol

This topic is you saying something dumb and doubling down on it repeatedly
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Doom_Art
08/29/18 8:58:22 AM
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Mal also said that World War 2 only ended because FDR died
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