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Darmik 08/28/18 8:22:46 PM #51:	It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907717498] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BruceWayneJr 08/28/18 8:23:29 PM #52:	Delirious_Beard posted... he's not wrong --- He might be the president, but it's not his country. <cite>BruceWayneJr posted [p:907717532] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delirious_Beard posted...</cite> <quote>he's not wrong</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/28/18 8:25:02 PM #53:	Darmik posted... It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. While that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907717634] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right.</quote> While that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 08/28/18 8:26:18 PM #54:	I've been in this guy's shoes - I wasn't that into superhero movies for a long time, I was kind of an ass about it and thought they were all just bland, corporate trash. I've improved, I do like the odd superhero flick, but I'm still pretty choosy about what I watch. Logan was a movie that I was genuinely interested in from the moment I saw the trailer. I saw it in theatres, and it was a great flick - weak villains, but it was a solid flick and I liked it a lot. Sure, superhero movies are super corporate and there's a never-ending hype fuelled by the companies to get you to see each new movie - but a good superhero movie is still a good movie. As someone who used to have a giant stick up his ass, this Ethan Hawke guy has a major stick up his ass. Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie. Oh no, I enjoyed a superhero movie. Sorry for being such a fucking sellout. --- But if I've come here to drown, I'm gonna take a few people down. Now playing: Fortnite (NS), Stardew Valley, Tales of Symphonia <cite>MrMallard posted [p:907717715] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>I've been in this guy's shoes - I wasn't that into superhero movies for a long time, I was kind of an ass about it and thought they were all just bland, corporate trash. I've improved, I do like the odd superhero flick, but I'm still pretty choosy about what I watch. Logan was a movie that I was genuinely interested in from the moment I saw the trailer. I saw it in theatres, and it was a great flick - weak villains, but it was a solid flick and I liked it a lot. Sure, superhero movies are super corporate and there's a never-ending hype fuelled by the companies to get you to see each new movie - but a good superhero movie is still a good movie. As someone who used to have a giant stick up his ass, this Ethan Hawke guy has a major stick up his ass. Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie. Oh no, I enjoyed a superhero movie. Sorry for being such a fucking sellout.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/28/18 8:28:50 PM #55:	Coming from the man who starred in Getaway with Selena Gomez, this doesnt mean much. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:907717883] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>Coming from the man who starred in Getaway with Selena Gomez, this doesnt mean much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 08/28/18 8:30:17 PM #56:	Wasn't he in that movie about time travel and a transgender or something that was tremendously overrated and loved by CE? I forget the name of it, it was a solid 7 movie but some people around here amped it up like a masterpiece and I was very disappointed when I watched it. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign Twenty million starving and writhing in pain <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:907717981] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't he in that movie about time travel and a transgender or something that was tremendously overrated and loved by CE? I forget the name of it, it was a solid 7 movie but some people around here amped it up like a masterpiece and I was very disappointed when I watched it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/28/18 8:30:33 PM #57:	Dash_Harber posted... Darmik posted... It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. Well that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand. The context was him talking about why film festivals and smaller indie films are needed. That big companies are trying to squash them away. He was criticizing the big movie companies more than audiences. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907717997] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right.</quote> Well that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand.</quote> The context was him talking about why film festivals and smaller indie films are needed. That big companies are trying to squash them away. He was criticizing the big movie companies more than audiences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/28/18 8:32:14 PM #58:	Darmik posted... Dash_Harber posted... Darmik posted... It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. Well that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand. The context was him talking about why film festivals and smaller indie films are needed. That big companies are trying to squash them away. He was criticizing the big movie companies more than audiences. I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907718114] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny when these controversial comments come up every few months and people constantly get defensive over their cape films. These aren't people who sit in a cinema for two hours to be entertained. This is their life and passion. Their entire lives revolve around it. Of course their standards are going to differ from the average joe. Nobody is wrong and nobody is right.</quote> Well that is fair, it's not exactly good policy to go around holding others to your standards, especially when it comes off so pretentious and part of your job is literally to market yourself as a likable brand.</quote> The context was him talking about why film festivals and smaller indie films are needed. That big companies are trying to squash them away. He was criticizing the big movie companies more than audiences.</quote> I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/28/18 8:41:41 PM #59:	Dash_Harber posted... I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context. Surely subjectivity is implied no? People shouldn't have to remind everyone of subjectivity when they state their opinion. He also called it a great superhero film. But clearly he looks for something more deeper and meaningful. That's totally fine. Again he's talking about indie movies and film festivals. I'm sure you agree people who are into those wouldn't have their scratch itched by Logan. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907718674] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context.</quote> Surely subjectivity is implied no? People shouldn't have to remind everyone of subjectivity when they state their opinion. He also called it a great superhero film. But clearly he looks for something more deeper and meaningful. That's totally fine. Again he's talking about indie movies and film festivals. I'm sure you agree people who are into those wouldn't have their scratch itched by Logan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/28/18 8:44:29 PM #60:	Darmik posted... Dash_Harber posted... I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context. Surely subjectivity is implied no? People shouldn't have to remind everyone of subjectivity when they state their opinion. He also called it a great superhero film. But clearly he looks for something more deeper and meaningful. That's totally fine. I mean, I guess, but I think people can still judge the comment based on what is presented here. It's not like he was surprised by the question. Interviews are literally part of his job. Also, if we all go, "well, everything is subjective so we should never have a discussion about it" then this entire community is going to cease to exist rather quickly. No one is saying he can't say it, but we are all reflecting on it and stating our replies back. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907718848] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>I know, but is it so hard to admit that 'good' is subjective and that him and his ilk do not own all rights to the word or the ability to judge the merits of a film? It just comes off as a purposefully inflammatory and derogatory comment regardless of the context.</quote> Surely subjectivity is implied no? People shouldn't have to remind everyone of subjectivity when they state their opinion. He also called it a great superhero film. But clearly he looks for something more deeper and meaningful. That's totally fine.</quote> I mean, I guess, but I think people can still judge the comment based on what is presented here. It's not like he was surprised by the question. Interviews are literally part of his job. Also, if we all go, "well, everything is subjective so we should never have a discussion about it" then this entire community is going to cease to exist rather quickly. No one is saying he can't say it, but we are all reflecting on it and stating our replies back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 08/28/18 8:48:50 PM #61:	MrMallard posted... Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie. I think everything else you said is pretty spot on, but the last thing we need is more "grimdark" superhero movies. That's been a significant genre of superhero movies for quite some time now. We don't need more. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:907719120] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote> Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie.</quote> I think everything else you said is pretty spot on, but the last thing we need is more "grimdark" superhero movies. That's been a significant genre of superhero movies for quite some time now. We don't need more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 08/28/18 8:49:42 PM #62:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... https://movieweb.com/logan-movie-ethan-hawke-response-superhero-movies/ TL:DR "Now we have the problem that they tell us Logan is a great movie. Well, it's a great superhero movie. It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands. It's not Bresson. It's not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is. I went to see Logan cause' everyone was like, This is a great movie and I was like, Really? No, this is a fine superhero movie. There's a difference but big business doesn't think there's a difference. Big business wants you to think that this is a great film because they wanna make money off of it." he sounds jealous --- Long live The Fam! They hate us 'cuz they ain't us! <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:907719167] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>https://movieweb.com/logan-movie-ethan-hawke-response-superhero-movies/ TL:DR "Now we have the problem that they tell us Logan is a great movie. Well, it's a great superhero movie. It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands. It's not Bresson. It's not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is. I went to see Logan cause' everyone was like, This is a great movie and I was like, Really? No, this is a fine superhero movie. There's a difference but big business doesn't think there's a difference. Big business wants you to think that this is a great film because they wanna make money off of it."</quote> he sounds jealous</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/28/18 8:52:46 PM #63:	Dash_Harber posted... Also, if we all go, "well, everything is subjective so we should never have a discussion about it" then this entire community is going to cease to exist rather quickly. Nobody has said that. You're asking him to admit he's being subjective. Why? Of course he is. I doubt Hawke thinks his opinion is fact. Look at it this way. If a casual gamer comes on here calling COD great that stands with the best games out there this board will flip out at him. Because we play more games than casual gamers. We feel like we're more knowledgeable. This is how a lot of actors and people in the industry feel. So when people are going up to them and telling them that superhero movies are the best in the business of course they're going to roll their eyes. Hawke is an actor. When he's watching a movie he's thinking about the performances way more than anyone here would be. He's deep in the industry. The thing is he didn't even call the movie bad. He called it a great superhero movie. That still isn't enough for people. We are the COD fans in his industry. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907719324] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Also, if we all go, "well, everything is subjective so we should never have a discussion about it" then this entire community is going to cease to exist rather quickly.</quote> Nobody has said that. You're asking him to admit he's being subjective. Why? Of course he is. I doubt Hawke thinks his opinion is fact. Look at it this way. If a casual gamer comes on here calling COD great that stands with the best games out there this board will flip out at him. Because we play more games than casual gamers. We feel like we're more knowledgeable. This is how a lot of actors and people in the industry feel. So when people are going up to them and telling them that superhero movies are the best in the business of course they're going to roll their eyes. Hawke is an actor. When he's watching a movie he's thinking about the performances way more than anyone here would be. He's deep in the industry. The thing is he didn't even call the movie bad. He called it a great superhero movie. That still isn't enough for people. We are the COD fans in his industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/28/18 8:57:48 PM #64:	Darmik posted... Nobody has said that. You're asking him to admit he's being subjective. Why? Of course he is. I doubt Hawke thinks his opinion is fact. Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film. Darmik posted... Look at it this way. If a casual gamer comes on here calling COD great that stands with the best games out there this board will flip out at him. Because we play more games than casual gamers. We feel like we're more knowledgeable. I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous. Darmik posted... The thing is he didn't even call the movie bad. He called it a great superhero movie. That still isn't enough for people. We are the COD fans in his industry. Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907719645] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody has said that. You're asking him to admit he's being subjective. Why? Of course he is. I doubt Hawke thinks his opinion is fact. </quote> Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it this way. If a casual gamer comes on here calling COD great that stands with the best games out there this board will flip out at him. Because we play more games than casual gamers. We feel like we're more knowledgeable. </quote> I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The thing is he didn't even call the movie bad. He called it a great superhero movie. That still isn't enough for people. We are the COD fans in his industry.</quote> Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/28/18 9:05:51 PM #65:	Dash_Harber posted... Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film. I think you're taking his comment made in an interview too literally. Dash_Harber posted... I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous. Ethan Hawke didn't say Logan wasn't a good movie. He said it wasn't a great one. Would you say COD is a great game? Would you get upset if someone said it wasn't because it's popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales? Dash_Harber posted... Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors. It's not about people being stupid. Movies are rated on way more than just being 'good' by people like this. Acting, cinematography, script, costume design, set design, innovation etc. These people live it every day. They're comparing it to their own movies that they've been involved in. It's their passion. Every single aspect is something they're looking at. If you just want to know if a movie is good or not that's fine. Most people just look to be entertained. But don't get upset at enthusiasts when they are way more critical with what they consider to be top tier films. I'm like it with video games. The way he talks about Logan is how I'd talk about COD. Because gaming is my passion. Most of us have some sort of passion or hobby that we talk about like this. It doesn't make people stupid if their standards aren't the same. We can't all be like this for every single medium. I'm saying he's an actor because I'm talking about Ethan Hawke specifically. Film enthusiasts have different expectations than someone who watches blockbusters in the cinemas. They aren't just actors. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907720117] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film.</quote> I think you're taking his comment made in an interview too literally. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous.</quote> Ethan Hawke didn't say Logan wasn't a good movie. He said it wasn't a great one. Would you say COD is a great game? Would you get upset if someone said it wasn't because it's popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales? <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors.</quote> It's not about people being stupid. Movies are rated on way more than just being 'good' by people like this. Acting, cinematography, script, costume design, set design, innovation etc. These people live it every day. They're comparing it to their own movies that they've been involved in. It's their passion. Every single aspect is something they're looking at. If you just want to know if a movie is good or not that's fine. Most people just look to be entertained. But don't get upset at enthusiasts when they are way more critical with what they consider to be top tier films. I'm like it with video games. The way he talks about Logan is how I'd talk about COD. Because gaming is my passion. Most of us have some sort of passion or hobby that we talk about like this. It doesn't make people stupid if their standards aren't the same. We can't all be like this for every single medium. I'm saying he's an actor because I'm talking about Ethan Hawke specifically. Film enthusiasts have different expectations than someone who watches blockbusters in the cinemas. They aren't just actors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 08/28/18 9:07:03 PM #66:	AkikoYoshida posted... it's definitely just a great superhero movie since it has to tick a few stereotypical boxes. villain, action with a climactic ending, over the top CGI etc. Almost all movies have a villain/antagonist, and a climax. Seriously its crazy to call a climax a stereotypical box tick. --- https://imgur.com/cfZmEFd Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:907720209] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>AkikoYoshida posted...</cite> <quote>it's definitely just a great superhero movie since it has to tick a few stereotypical boxes. villain, action with a climactic ending, over the top CGI etc.</quote> Almost all movies have a villain/antagonist, and a climax. Seriously its crazy to call a climax a stereotypical box tick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 08/28/18 9:08:58 PM #67:	i agree btw logan's not a very good movie --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:907720322] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>i agree btw logan's not a very good movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 08/28/18 9:09:37 PM #68:	To put my statement on it, cause I realize I didn't at the time. There is a value statement being made to suggest that it's just a "great superhero movie". He made up his mind before he saw it that since the film stars a super hero character, there was no way it was going to be a great film. However, contrary to that statement from one man is the following. 1. It was nominated for an Academy Award for WRITING! Not special effects, not sound editing... for writing. Obviously the Academy, a group of stodgy film nerds who hate on a lot of "popular stuff" thought the writing was worthy of praise. 2. It has transcended its genre. For someone making a "film argument", it's odd that he discusses the film as a superhero movie, as it is more reflective of a western. Hell, many westerns star characters who are bigger than life, with better reflexes and sharpshooting skills that rival sharpshooters. They are made to be superheroes. It is something in classic cinema, so to disregard films with superheroes as not being worthy of acclaim is ridiculous. 3. To suggest that there is no artistry or artistic merit in the story is so fucking stupid especially with LOGAN that it is almost not worth arguing him for that point alone. There is tremendous amounts of artistry and merit to the way Logan is told. You want to argue that something like Avengers is a corporate masterpiece of "spin" for people calling it a great film, fine. This was a labor of love in such a way that the main protagonists have said they don't think they'll ever reprise their roles again because this is the quintessential story of these characters. It is the finale they want these characters to be known for. --- https://imgur.com/3PWjCdY https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:907720354] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>To put my statement on it, cause I realize I didn't at the time. There is a value statement being made to suggest that it's just a "great superhero movie". He made up his mind before he saw it that since the film stars a super hero character, there was no way it was going to be a great film. However, contrary to that statement from one man is the following. 1. It was nominated for an Academy Award for WRITING! Not special effects, not sound editing... for writing. Obviously the Academy, a group of stodgy film nerds who hate on a lot of "popular stuff" thought the writing was worthy of praise. 2. It has transcended its genre. For someone making a "film argument", it's odd that he discusses the film as a superhero movie, as it is more reflective of a western. Hell, many westerns star characters who are bigger than life, with better reflexes and sharpshooting skills that rival sharpshooters. They are made to be superheroes. It is something in classic cinema, so to disregard films with superheroes as not being worthy of acclaim is ridiculous. 3. To suggest that there is no artistry or artistic merit in the story is so fucking stupid especially with LOGAN that it is almost not worth arguing him for that point alone. There is tremendous amounts of artistry and merit to the way Logan is told. You want to argue that something like Avengers is a corporate masterpiece of "spin" for people calling it a great film, fine. This was a labor of love in such a way that the main protagonists have said they don't think they'll ever reprise their roles again because this is the quintessential story of these characters. It is the finale they want these characters to be known for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duwstai 08/28/18 9:12:14 PM #69:	I always liked the X-Men movies and the (good) wolverine ones, but I was underwhelmed with Logan. It was good, but people were anything like it was citizen kane --- balls <cite>Duwstai posted [p:907720496] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>I always liked the X-Men movies and the (good) wolverine ones, but I was underwhelmed with Logan. It was good, but people were anything like it was citizen kane</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 08/28/18 9:13:05 PM #70:	KhanJohnny posted... MrMallard posted... Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie. I think everything else you said is pretty spot on, but the last thing we need is more "grimdark" superhero movies. That's been a significant genre of superhero movies for quite some time now. We don't need more. True, what with the DC cinematic universe. Funnily enough, Marvel properties going grimdark are still better than DC's cinematic offerings. Should I have distinguished "good grimdark films"? Because there is certainly a lack of those in the superhero genre. Logan is the only one that I've particularly enjoyed. --- But if I've come here to drown, I'm gonna take a few people down. Now playing: Fortnite (NS), Stardew Valley, Tales of Symphonia <cite>MrMallard posted [p:907720547] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMallard posted...</cite> <quote> Not everyone will agree, but I thought Logan was a fantastic movie and it opens the doors for future grimdark films like it, films that don't shy away from mutilation and decapitation and just generally more adult themes. Shit like Deadpool, but also more serious fare like Logan was. I like the movie for those reasons, but also because I just like it as a movie.</quote> I think everything else you said is pretty spot on, but the last thing we need is more "grimdark" superhero movies. That's been a significant genre of superhero movies for quite some time now. We don't need more.</quote> True, what with the DC cinematic universe. Funnily enough, Marvel properties going grimdark are still better than DC's cinematic offerings. Should I have distinguished "good grimdark films"? Because there is certainly a lack of those in the superhero genre. Logan is the only one that I've particularly enjoyed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 08/28/18 10:48:09 PM #71:	Tupacrulez posted... jborgan posted... Knowledge_King posted... Superhero movies>>>>every movie Ethan Hawke's been in so... King Kong ain't got shit on me. Training day son. Training Day doesn't come close to the majority of good Superhero movies. It's the weakest in Denzel's catalogue, or close to it (the train movie's worse). --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:907726286] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tupacrulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jborgan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>Superhero movies>>>>every movie Ethan Hawke's been in so...</quote> King Kong ain't got shit on me.</quote> Training day son.</quote> Training Day doesn't come close to the majority of good Superhero movies. It's the weakest in Denzel's catalogue, or close to it (the train movie's worse).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/28/18 10:50:41 PM #72:	clearaflagrantj posted... Boyhood sucked balls btw But it took 12 years to make!!!! --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:907726438] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>Boyhood sucked balls btw</quote> But it took 12 years to make!!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 08/28/18 11:44:32 PM #73:	MabusIncarnate posted... Wasn't he in that movie about time travel and a transgender or something that was tremendously overrated and loved by CE? I forget the name of it, it was a solid 7 movie but some people around here amped it up like a masterpiece and I was very disappointed when I watched it. Predestination --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:907729583] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't he in that movie about time travel and a transgender or something that was tremendously overrated and loved by CE? I forget the name of it, it was a solid 7 movie but some people around here amped it up like a masterpiece and I was very disappointed when I watched it.</quote> Predestination</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 08/29/18 12:02:07 AM #74:	I mean, actors and such are usually just elitist about movies. And that's fine for me imo. Sean Connery is notorious for his distaste for for Bond films after his era (and, from the sounds of it, even the films he starred in). These guy just take the medium way more seriously than I do. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:907730469] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>I mean, actors and such are usually just elitist about movies. And that's fine for me imo. Sean Connery is notorious for his distaste for for Bond films after his era (and, from the sounds of it, even the films he starred in). These guy just take the medium way more seriously than I do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 08/29/18 12:02:54 AM #75:	Delirious_Beard posted... he's not wrong This. Y'all are focusing on the wrong bit of his comment. Who gives a fuck if he doesn't like Logan...you all are being conned into giving Disney your money to watch crap. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:907730514] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delirious_Beard posted...</cite> <quote>he's not wrong</quote> This. Y'all are focusing on the wrong bit of his comment. Who gives a fuck if he doesn't like Logan...you all are being conned into giving Disney your money to watch crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 08/29/18 12:04:16 AM #76:	DocDelicious posted... Delirious_Beard posted... he's not wrong This. Y'all are focusing on the wrong bit of his comment. Who gives a fuck if he doesn't like Logan...you all are being conned into giving Disney your money to watch crap. "you're paying to watch shit you wanna watch he's enlightening the masses." Fuck me. I don't even like most super hero movies but that's just dumb. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:907730596] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>DocDelicious posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Delirious_Beard posted...</cite> <quote>he's not wrong</quote> This. Y'all are focusing on the wrong bit of his comment. Who gives a fuck if he doesn't like Logan...you all are being conned into giving Disney your money to watch crap.</quote> "you're paying to watch shit you wanna watch he's enlightening the masses." Fuck me. I don't even like most super hero movies but that's just dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 08/29/18 4:12:01 AM #77:	Darmik posted... Dash_Harber posted... Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film. I think you're taking his comment made in an interview too literally. Dash_Harber posted... I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous. Ethan Hawke didn't say Logan wasn't a good movie. He said it wasn't a great one. Would you say COD is a great game? Would you get upset if someone said it wasn't because it's popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales? Dash_Harber posted... Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors. It's not about people being stupid. Movies are rated on way more than just being 'good' by people like this. Acting, cinematography, script, costume design, set design, innovation etc. These people live it every day. They're comparing it to their own movies that they've been involved in. It's their passion. Every single aspect is something they're looking at. If you just want to know if a movie is good or not that's fine. Most people just look to be entertained. But don't get upset at enthusiasts when they are way more critical with what they consider to be top tier films. I'm like it with video games. The way he talks about Logan is how I'd talk about COD. Because gaming is my passion. Most of us have some sort of passion or hobby that we talk about like this. It doesn't make people stupid if their standards aren't the same. We can't all be like this for every single medium. I'm saying he's an actor because I'm talking about Ethan Hawke specifically. Film enthusiasts have different expectations than someone who watches blockbusters in the cinemas. They aren't just actors. I don't know what else to say. He said that it was good 'for a superhero movie', which is clearly a backhanded compliment. Him being an actor is complete irrelevant to his ability to gauge a subjective topic. Paris Hilton and Tommy Wiseau are also actors, that doesn't mean they can tell us what movies are good or what are bad. Not only that, but film making is such a wide art form that even an actor isn't going to experience all of it (just think, he's not a sound engineer, or a cinematographer, or anything like that). Also, passion has nothing to do with it. Just because I'm passionate about something doesn't instantly mean that I'm the only one allowed to say what is good and what isn't. Finally, implying that I just don't understand the art is stupid, too. I actually am a huge film fan and have taken classes on it. I just understand that it doesn't make me an expert in what is 'good' or 'great' or whether an entire genre can be discounted just because of it's fantastic premise. That's pretty much all I have left to say on that. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:907738414] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Not really. I didn't ask you to admit that. I pointed out that he is acting like 'good' is not subjective, as if he and his compatriots are the gatekeepers of good and bad film.</quote> I think you're taking his comment made in an interview too literally. <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>I actually would call those guys out too. COD is not my cup of tea and I find it generic, but that doesn't discount the fact that it is popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales. It has things that are 'good' about it and saying it's 'not a good game series', is sort of ridiculous.</quote> Ethan Hawke didn't say Logan wasn't a good movie. He said it wasn't a great one. Would you say COD is a great game? Would you get upset if someone said it wasn't because it's popular in a medium that heavily relies on sales? <cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Again, the problem here is that he is insulating that people are too stupid to know what a 'good' movie is, when a 'good' movie is literally a movie that people enjoy. Lowbrow and highbrow movies can both be 'good' or 'bad'. Also, him being an actor is not important. Films are not made to sell to other actors.</quote> It's not about people being stupid. Movies are rated on way more than just being 'good' by people like this. Acting, cinematography, script, costume design, set design, innovation etc. These people live it every day. They're comparing it to their own movies that they've been involved in. It's their passion. Every single aspect is something they're looking at. If you just want to know if a movie is good or not that's fine. Most people just look to be entertained. But don't get upset at enthusiasts when they are way more critical with what they consider to be top tier films. I'm like it with video games. The way he talks about Logan is how I'd talk about COD. Because gaming is my passion. Most of us have some sort of passion or hobby that we talk about like this. It doesn't make people stupid if their standards aren't the same. We can't all be like this for every single medium. I'm saying he's an actor because I'm talking about Ethan Hawke specifically. Film enthusiasts have different expectations than someone who watches blockbusters in the cinemas. They aren't just actors.</quote> I don't know what else to say. He said that it was good 'for a superhero movie', which is clearly a backhanded compliment. Him being an actor is complete irrelevant to his ability to gauge a subjective topic. Paris Hilton and Tommy Wiseau are also actors, that doesn't mean they can tell us what movies are good or what are bad. Not only that, but film making is such a wide art form that even an actor isn't going to experience all of it (just think, he's not a sound engineer, or a cinematographer, or anything like that). Also, passion has nothing to do with it. Just because I'm passionate about something doesn't instantly mean that I'm the only one allowed to say what is good and what isn't. Finally, implying that I just don't understand the art is stupid, too. I actually am a huge film fan and have taken classes on it. I just understand that it doesn't make me an expert in what is 'good' or 'great' or whether an entire genre can be discounted just because of it's fantastic premise. That's pretty much all I have left to say on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 08/29/18 5:17:46 AM #80:	clearaflagrantj posted... Boyhood sucked balls btw I liked most of it, the ending was really stupid though. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:907739515] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>Boyhood sucked balls btw</quote> I liked most of it, the ending was really stupid though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/29/18 5:19:27 AM #81:	clearaflagrantj posted... Logan is definitely overrated --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:907739552] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>Logan is definitely overrated</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BruceWayneJr 08/30/18 12:41:22 PM #82:	Knowledge_King posted... Tupacrulez posted... jborgan posted... Knowledge_King posted... Superhero movies>>>>every movie Ethan Hawke's been in so... King Kong ain't got shit on me. Training day son. Training Day doesn't come close to the majority of good Superhero movies. It's the weakest in Denzel's catalogue, or close to it (the train movie's worse). No, it blows most braindead superhero movies out of the water. --- He might be the president, but it's not his country. <cite>BruceWayneJr posted [p:907814400] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tupacrulez posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jborgan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Knowledge_King posted...</cite> <quote>Superhero movies>>>>every movie Ethan Hawke's been in so...</quote> King Kong ain't got shit on me.</quote> Training day son.</quote> Training Day doesn't come close to the majority of good Superhero movies. It's the weakest in Denzel's catalogue, or close to it (the train movie's worse).</quote> No, it blows most braindead superhero movies out of the water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 08/30/18 12:49:38 PM #83:	Wolverine was a well done and extremely enjoyable fiction movie. This dudes biggest role was riding Denzels coattails in Training Day. Training day without Ethan Hawke is still the same movie. <cite>gamer167 posted [p:907814795] in Ethan Hawk... [t:76941872]...</cite> <quote>Wolverine was a well done and extremely enjoyable fiction movie. This dudes biggest role was riding Denzels coattails in Training Day. Training day without Ethan Hawke is still the same movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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