Current Events > So /r/debatefascism is a thing

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Debate Fascism is a community designed for the deliberation of fascism, notably the theories that lie behind it. Debate amongst fascists is welcomed, and critiques of fascism (as well as those just curious) are encouraged to ask questions.

All views are welcome, but please avoid insults, and other forms of debate that do not address the issue, but rely on personal attacks. Repeat offenses may result in bans.

Please make off-topic posts in the casual thread.

I want to laugh but...
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it's not really a debate sub, that's just their cover so the sub doesnt get deleted. it's pretty much just an alt-right hangout because reddit closed down most of the other alt-right/neo nazi/racist/etc subs a little while ago
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It's not as bad as r/gamerghazi
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NurseRedHeart posted...

r/gamerghazi

Man, what
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yes you would
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I hope someone with more computer knowledge than me knows what must be done
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fenderbender321 posted...

It's the best course toward eliminating potentially harmful ideas. It's when we censor and suppress that people start to wonder if they're on the right side.

lol this is not true at all
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Sooo The_Donald?

fenderbender321 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

yes you would

It's the best course toward eliminating potentially harmful ideas. It's when we censor and suppress that people start to wonder if they're on the right side.

Sounds counter-intuitive, but reality is reality.

this is objectively incorrect
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If it's just academic discussion its no different than a poli-sci class forum, no?
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I don't have a problem with people talking about fascism.

frozenshock posted...

If it's just academic discussion its no different than a poli-sci class forum, no?

Ain't nothing academic about these discussions, just dumbass weirdos trying to be verbose in their racism
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pinky0926 posted...

frozenshock posted...

If it's just academic discussion its no different than a poli-sci class forum, no?

Ain't nothing academic about these discussions, just dumbass weirdos trying to be verbose in their racism

BWing posted...

Sooo The_Donald?

We have people who openly support communism and socialism... in 2018. Despite history proving them to be horseshit, we can still have discussions about both. Likewise, fuck facism, but I'm not going to worry about some silly forum just yet.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Look at America. We still have our democratic-republic after all these years despite the fact that we have free speech. People in this country, such as college professors, philosophers, inventors, politicians, etc....they've engaged in and discussed even some of the most radical philosophies ever encountered....fascism, socialism, communism, feudalism, etc. And people are free in this country to step up and say "I believe in fascism" and they are free to preach it.

Yet, extreme political ideologies are not prevalent in this country. Why? Because we are educated. We know right from wrong. And that is a result of us tolerating the discussion and thus spreading of knowledge among such a wide range of ideas.

I don't see how you guys can disagree with that.

because fascism is prevalent in the US, so your entire premise is wrong
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fenderbender321 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Look at America. We still have our democratic-republic after all these years despite the fact that we have free speech. People in this country, such as college professors, philosophers, inventors, politicians, etc....they've engaged in and discussed even some of the most radical philosophies ever encountered....fascism, socialism, communism, feudalism, etc. And people are free in this country to step up and say "I believe in fascism" and they are free to preach it.

Yet, extreme political ideologies are not prevalent in this country. Why? Because we are educated. We know right from wrong. And that is a result of us tolerating the discussion and thus spreading of knowledge among such a wide range of ideas.

I don't see how you guys can disagree with that.

because fascism is prevalent in the US, so your entire premise is wrong

No it's not.

Name one Fascist in power or one example of how the American people are subject to fascism.

Donald Trump
police being able to kill black people with impunity
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fenderbender321 posted...

Yet, extreme political ideologies are not prevalent in this country. Why? Because we are educated. We know right from wrong. And that is a result of us tolerating the discussion and thus spreading of knowledge among such a wide range of ideas.

the thing about fascism & neo nazi ideas are that they are not spread through reasoned debate & discussion.

no rational american can say that systematically murdering 6 million as part of an attempt to genocide an entire race is a morally sound idea. so the way you "debate" this as a nazi is to obscure the argument, to use rhetorical tricks, appeals to emotion, etc.

someone thinking critically and who is educated on politics can counter this, but somoene who never really gave politics any thought, maybe is a little nervous about political unrest/changing demographics in the country, etc will fall for these arguments because that's what they're designed for.

the most educated and informed response does not always win, this is a hard truth that we like to pretend doesn't apply
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fenderbender321 posted...

So assuming those things are examples of fascism comparable to Mussolini and Hitler's rule, would censorship have prevented those things from coming to fruition?

killing the fascists certainly would have helped
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Guys lets calmly and reasonably debate the pros and cons (but mostly pros) of exterminating millions of jews, please keep it civil

- /r/debatefascism
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fenderbender321 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Guys lets calmly and reasonably debate the pros and cons (but mostly pros) of exterminating millions of jews, please keep it civil

- /r/debatefascism

Imagine getting an in-depth look into the brains of fascists...seeing what makes them tick. Seeing how they rationalize things that are so intuitively evil and irrational to you and I.

You can't see any benefit in that?

I can see plenty of benefit for the fascists. none for people who are opposed to them.
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Fender isn't worth anyone's effort to respond to him seriously. He's just a UR type poster.
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CrimsonRage posted...

seriously, what positive is there for fascism? i think what ultimately separates fascism from other ideolgies is that things like democracy and communism at least try to argue that they would be good for everyone (regardless what the end result ends up being, especially communism). fascism is pretty upfront in that it would only be good for a select few people/groups and a nightmare for others.

Everyone thinks that they will be the ones to benefit under fascism and that it's the others that will suffer. And fascism is very good for those who benefit.
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fenderbender321 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Guys lets calmly and reasonably debate the pros and cons (but mostly pros) of exterminating millions of jews, please keep it civil

- /r/debatefascism

Imagine getting an in-depth look into the brains of fascists...seeing what makes them tick. Seeing how they rationalize things that are so intuitively evil and irrational to you and I.

You can't see any benefit in that?

I can see plenty of benefit for the fascists. none for people who are opposed to them.

So you don't understand how knowledge can be beneficial toward implementing peaceful solutions?

there isn't a peaceful solution to fascism
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averagejoel posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Guys lets calmly and reasonably debate the pros and cons (but mostly pros) of exterminating millions of jews, please keep it civil

- /r/debatefascism

Imagine getting an in-depth look into the brains of fascists...seeing what makes them tick. Seeing how they rationalize things that are so intuitively evil and irrational to you and I.

You can't see any benefit in that?

I can see plenty of benefit for the fascists. none for people who are opposed to them.

So you don't understand how knowledge can be beneficial toward implementing peaceful solutions?

there isn't a peaceful solution to fascism

the answer lies somewhere in the middle. What if we just genocide SOME of the Jews? /s
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fenderbender321 posted...

There's a peaceful solution to EVERYTHING. You're thinking way too short-term.

are you suggesting we wait until after they've killed all the jews, black people, LGBT+ people, disabled people, and anyone who opposes them?
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BWing posted...

Sooo The_Donald?

You can't compare the two. Trump and fascism have no connections.
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fenderbender321 posted...

If Fascists are actively doing harmful things to people, then yes peace isn't going to work in terms of stopping them in particular and preventing them from doing more damage. But that's what I mean about short-term vs long-term.

there's no "if"

fascists are actively doing harmful things to people
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People gravitate towards extreme ideologies when they're suffering, so the only thing you're going to glean from a sub like that is that there are people who are hurt, and instead of trying to heal their pain, they want to take it out on others.
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A kill them before they kill us mentality only increases tension.

A averagejoel and fenderbender discussion is a lot like hooking up the output of a printer to a paper shredder. A bunch of noise is made, but nothing is accomplished.
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The pot that is communistjoel calling the kettle that is fascism black

Amazing
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fenderbender321 posted...

Imagine getting an in-depth look into the brains of fascists...seeing what makes them tick. Seeing how they rationalize things that are so intuitively evil and irrational to you and I.

You can't see any benefit in that?

It's certainly morbidly entertaining but no, I don't think there's much to "debate" with someone who honestly wants to call for a mass extermination event. Like where the fuck do you even start with that.

The point here is that you can't "be civil" with someone who starts off with an inherently violent proposition. Advocating for incredibly very violent things is not calm debate, so while I don't want to talk about suppressing free speech (not that a subreddit on a privately owned website counts towards that anyway) I also think you'd be completely wasting your time trying to reason with a group of psychos like that. As green butter pointed out, their goal is to destabilise and destroy, not to encourage open and healthy conversation
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

BWing posted...

Sooo The_Donald?

You can't compare the two. Trump and fascism have no connections.

Oh wait, you're serious