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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:03:05 PM
#251:


=Crescent-Moon posted...
Um... What you've said about me is patently false going by my history, even as far back as my very first game where I was a wreck all game.


What have I said that is patently false about you?

Zara and Ulti were being disgusting, sexist pigs and aggressively trying to push me into quitting the game outright. I correctly town read both of them and on the crucial day 4 I was one of the killer swing votes to kill Dowolf over Ulti.

So don't even try to accuse me of that kind of play. I was after Tony that hard because I was sure he was scum.


I don't know what game that is you're referring to. I don't care. I believe that people would be sexist to you, and I feel like I'm judging you right now for being emotional, which is rude of me and I'm sorry, especially since I'm being hypocritical because I'm being emotional right now.

Anyway, I believe you that you were sure Tony was Scum. And to be clear, I think you're Town. If I were to do a priority order right now, it would be: Zach - Death - Crescent - FD (with Ben and Tange fitting in AFTER I consider if it makes sense for Sheep to be shot over Puns if there is no Godfather).

I mean, already, it does. Sheep finds out that Tony is Scum. Puns finds out that Tony can target puns without killing him. So killing Sheep ahead of Puns makes sense independent of Godfather possiblity.

GIvmme a minute.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:03:57 PM
#252:


I've had pleasantly above average reads and I'm fine with that. Scare was the one I was way off on but he did directly contradict himself by removing me entirely as a scumread and then putting me as a top scumread almost immediately after, so I still don't feel too bad about it.

I don't know what it was about Leo, I just had such an extreme level of certainty that he was scum unlike anything I've ever felt in a game before.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:05:48 PM
#253:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
=Crescent-Moon posted...
Um... What you've said about me is patently false going by my history, even as far back as my very first game where I was a wreck all game.


What have I said that is patently false about you?

Zara and Ulti were being disgusting, sexist pigs and aggressively trying to push me into quitting the game outright. I correctly town read both of them and on the crucial day 4 I was one of the killer swing votes to kill Dowolf over Ulti.

So don't even try to accuse me of that kind of play. I was after Tony that hard because I was sure he was scum.


I don't know what game that is you're referring to. I don't care. I believe that people would be sexist to you, and I feel like I'm judging you right now for being emotional, which is rude of me and I'm sorry, especially since I'm being hypocritical because I'm being emotional right now.

Anyway, I believe you that you were sure Tony was Scum. And to be clear, I think you're Town. If I were to do a priority order right now, it would be: Zach - Death - Crescent - FD (with Ben and Tange fitting in AFTER I consider if it makes sense for Sheep to be shot over Puns if there is no Godfather).

I mean, already, it does. Sheep finds out that Tony is Scum. Puns finds out that Tony can target puns without killing him. So killing Sheep ahead of Puns makes sense independent of Godfather possiblity.

GIvmme a minute.

My wall post originally had a vote for Tony in it. I backed off on it because I wanted to press Puns first.

Then when MZero said he had Tony/Puns there wasn't a point, we knew how that day was going.
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:05:53 PM
#254:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I've had pleasantly above average reads and I'm fine with that. Scare was the one I was way off on but he did directly contradict himself by removing me entirely as a scumread and then putting me as a top scumread almost immediately after, so I still don't feel too bad about it.

I don't know what it was about Leo, I just had such an extreme level of certainty that he was scum unlike anything I've ever felt in a game before.

You gotta admit Scare would have been a perfect scum buddy for Tony. I still am sad about that. Go look at Tony's counterclaim and gaze at scum scare in awe
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:07:01 PM
#255:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Admittedly I did kind of go off the rails at the end, that was due to factors that had nothing to do with the game. Tony was the one playing the garbage about me playing a victim, all I did was call him scum.


Yeah, and I was trying to get you to stop to make sure that the plan happened without Tony stalling out on it.

benjamin3740 posted...
Fair. At least the second part. I would say that you are not yet confirmed town either, so the arguments of how accurate you are also have no effect. Obviously though if you town then I will be able to concede at end game that you had the best reads.


I am not confirmed Town at all. The only person who should be considered as such right now is FD, and that's only because Lawyer is a broken role in the hands of Scum.

Zach played less than Tange yesterday. Zach came in at the end to throw a wrench into our MZero plan. Zach's entire participation in yesterday was saying "i'm still confirmed town".

the ONLY reason I have an ounce of hesitation on Zach is because he played a hell of a lot better as Scum in his first game... but that was with puns coaching him. Red, Zam, Tony, Dumey, Leo? Out of all of those, the only I would trust to help right now is Leo, and he's probably checked out. The only dead Scum who isn't would be Tony, and mayyyyyybe Dumey, and neither of them help Zach survive in this scenario.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:08:00 PM
#256:


benjamin3740 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
I've had pleasantly above average reads and I'm fine with that. Scare was the one I was way off on but he did directly contradict himself by removing me entirely as a scumread and then putting me as a top scumread almost immediately after, so I still don't feel too bad about it.

I don't know what it was about Leo, I just had such an extreme level of certainty that he was scum unlike anything I've ever felt in a game before.

You gotta admit Scare would have been a perfect scum buddy for Tony. I still am sad about that. Go look at Tony's counterclaim and gaze at scum scare in awe

Scare had a really good line for being scum there. It was like Red posting that garbage list, it was the tipping point.

Oops~
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:08:50 PM
#257:


And you did say I'd "Tunnel you with abandon" for being mean to me, which... I don't do. I may get emotional but in the long run it does not interfere with my reads.

But let's just drop this and move on.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:09:32 PM
#258:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Then when MZero said he had Tony/Puns there wasn't a point, we knew how that day was going.


Yeah, but it wouldn't have gone if nobody organized it. I wanted puns to take lead because he was more Town in the eyes of us all than I am, but he preferred to vote Ben so somebody had to push us all into actually figuring out what the plan was.

Hell, I would have accepted FD's plan if people just decided on it. But nobody wanted to decide on anything.

Seriously though, when we actually managed to get the plan off AND Tony died as Scum as a result, I literally screamed in victory. Lot of pride for me, there.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:10:06 PM
#259:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...

Admittedly I did kind of go off the rails at the end, that was due to factors that had nothing to do with the game. Tony was the one playing the garbage about me playing a victim, all I did was call him scum.

Yeah, and I was trying to get you to stop to make sure that the plan happened without Tony stalling out on it.

Actually, part of why I poked him was to see if he would continue to use me as an excuse to stall on it. That was a calculated decision, what came after that not so much.

Puns even agreed with me that Tony hadn't done anything yesterday.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:10:53 PM
#260:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Then when MZero said he had Tony/Puns there wasn't a point, we knew how that day was going.


Yeah, but it wouldn't have gone if nobody organized it. I wanted puns to take lead because he was more Town in the eyes of us all than I am, but he preferred to vote Ben so somebody had to push us all into actually figuring out what the plan was.

Hell, I would have accepted FD's plan if people just decided on it. But nobody wanted to decide on anything.

Seriously though, when we actually managed to get the plan off AND Tony died as Scum as a result, I literally screamed in victory. Lot of pride for me, there.

The fact that Tony took so long to vote to begin with was borderline claiming scum anyway.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:11:07 PM
#261:


Crescent-Moon posted...
And you did say I'd "Tunnel you with abandon" for being mean to me, which... I don't do. I may get emotional but in the long run it does not interfere with my reads.

But let's just drop this and move on.


I was partially trying to goad you, and my original draft of the post said "because she's not better than that", but then I was like 'o shit that's really mean' and I decided not to.

Anyway, I really need to get to bed real soon, so if you have any specific things you want to ask me before I'm off, please go ahead.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:11:32 PM
#262:


Crescent-Moon posted...
The fact that Tony took so long to vote to begin with was borderline claiming scum anyway.


I know.

We were on the same page, yesterday.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:13:21 PM
#263:


Also I had another thought in mind.

Scum Tony refusing to get on the lynch to protect Scum Puns because the game was over if both were on the lynch together.

I thank him for moving that paranoia.
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:13:57 PM
#264:


Am I allowed to take screenshots of Legfaqs or does gamefaqs not allow that? Quoting is hard
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:14:32 PM
#265:


I quoted the Sheep post directly from there with copy+paste.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:15:08 PM
#266:


God damn I am furious at scum.

Yall are awful.

Last scum is in Han, Death, or Ben.

Crescent vs Tony I think makes that clear that Crescent is town

Tange was scanned

FD lawyered Leo

And Im obviously town

So we need to analyze the last 3 hardcore
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:15:52 PM
#267:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Then when MZero said he had Tony/Puns there wasn't a point, we knew how that day was going.


Seriously though, when we actually managed to get the plan off AND Tony died as Scum as a result, I literally screamed in victory. Lot of pride for me, there.

I'm a sucker for believing statements like this.
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:16:34 PM
#268:


ColZach posted...
God damn I am furious at scum.

Yall are awful.

Last scum is in Han, Death, or Ben.

Crescent vs Tony I think makes that clear that Crescent is town

Tange was scanned

FD lawyered Leo

And Im obviously town

So we need to analyze the last 3 hardcore

I'm scanned too *waves*
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:16:51 PM
#269:


benjamin3740 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Then when MZero said he had Tony/Puns there wasn't a point, we knew how that day was going.


Seriously though, when we actually managed to get the plan off AND Tony died as Scum as a result, I literally screamed in victory. Lot of pride for me, there.

I'm a sucker for believing statements like this.

Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:17:04 PM
#270:


ColZach posted...
And Im obviously town


No.
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:17:14 PM
#271:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I quoted the Sheep post directly from there with copy+paste.

Yeah but this is a multiple layers of quotes. I'll just do the work
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:17:55 PM
#272:


ColZach posted...
Crescent vs Tony I think makes that clear that Crescent is town

I mean it should, unless you think that was all faked, in which case I'd like an award.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:18:05 PM
#273:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"


That's like, THE definition of WIFOM.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:18:14 PM
#274:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
And Im obviously town


No.


You dont get to say that.

So its Death or Han if Ben is also scanned
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:18:50 PM
#275:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"


That's like, THE definition of WIFOM.

Is it really that different from what Ben posted?
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:19:17 PM
#276:


Han implying Im a sociopath makes me want to lynch him tbh

Id say given his lynch pressure on tony I want to vote Death

##vote: Death
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:20:30 PM
#277:


ColZach posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
And Im obviously town


No.


You dont get to say that.

So its Death or Han if Ben is also scanned


Yes I do. Do you forget the part where I called out Tony from his first post? Do you forget the part where i pushed the MZero plan to happen yesterday, even with you almost fucking it up?

Oh. And HOW ARE MY READS NOW, ZACH? Didn't I tell you I've caught Scum based on their first post more than games you've played? Add another to that list.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:21:15 PM
#278:


Things make just a bit less sense if Death is scum. Just a bit. It's a little less Occam's Razory.

Really though, we're not hearing from Death tonight anyway. We won't get much further without him and FD chiming in.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:21:15 PM
#279:


Your reads are still like 50/50 dude. Keep your manicured claws away from me. Congrats, you hit dumey and Tony. Youve also been sus of me all game and thats dead ass wrong.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:22:13 PM
#280:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
And Im obviously town


No.


You dont get to say that.

So its Death or Han if Ben is also scanned


Yes I do. Do you forget the part where I called out Tony from his first post? Do you forget the part where i pushed the MZero plan to happen yesterday, even with you almost fucking it up?

Oh. And HOW ARE MY READS NOW, ZACH? Didn't I tell you I've caught Scum based on their first post more than games you've played? Add another to that list.

Personally, I think Tony was intentionally waiting to ultimatum me late in the day on it. I'm not sure we could've pushed it sooner.
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:22:40 PM
#281:


One thing can be said about Death. No scum ever put any suspicion his way. We know this because NO one ever did!

On the contrary, I remember Han having some action from Red at least, yeah?
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:22:52 PM
#282:


But yes, Zach putting the vote on when he did was... A bit odd, and several hours too late.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:24:04 PM
#283:


Crescent-Moon posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"


That's like, THE definition of WIFOM.

Is it really that different from what Ben posted?


About what?

And if Zach is last Scum, he HAS to use that defense. What else does he have?

Remember - we have confirmed BG, EBG, Lawyer, Target Bomb, protection Jack, Jailkeeper, and Tracker.

Vig is a little much.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:24:27 PM
#284:


Crescent-Moon posted...
But yes, Zach putting the vote on when he did was... A bit odd, and several hours too late.


Thats been because of a lack of drive this game, which I honestly just have to take responsibility for.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:24:32 PM
#285:


benjamin3740 posted...
One thing can be said about Death. No scum ever put any suspicion his way. We know this because NO one ever did!

On the contrary, I remember Han having some action from Red at least, yeah?

I've had four people primarily throw the bulk of suspicion my way. Scare, Red, Tony, and Leo. Just a little sprinkling of Puns on the side.

Scare really should've been scum here~
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benjamin3740
08/20/18 11:25:04 PM
#286:


Crescent-Moon posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"


That's like, THE definition of WIFOM.

Is it really that different from what Ben posted?

Hey I have better reasons than that. I truly think that the disbelief that Tony could be scum (due to the implications involving Zam) was genuine from Zach.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:25:30 PM
#287:


Han being so adamant about it really screams scum to me, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt given his track record this game.

Whos your #2 Han, if youre wrong about me?
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:25:49 PM
#288:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Zach's been saying "I am town or a sociopath"


That's like, THE definition of WIFOM.

Is it really that different from what Ben posted?


About what?

And if Zach is last Scum, he HAS to use that defense. What else does he have?

Remember - we have confirmed BG, EBG, Lawyer, Target Bomb, protection Jack, Jailkeeper, and Tracker.

Vig is a little much.

It would've had to be someone he did without going through his team. Scum was carefully playing around tracker this game. Even if scum had a kill on Corrik that was stopped, Zach wouldn't have been the one who sent it.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:26:03 PM
#289:


Something he did, not someone.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:26:55 PM
#290:


ColZach posted...
Han being so adamant about it really screams scum to me, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt given his track record this game.

Whos your #2 Han, if youre wrong about me?

He's already given his #2.

What is his #2?

Han, don't answer.
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:29:31 PM
#291:


Death or you
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:29:47 PM
#292:


ColZach posted...
Your reads are still like 50/50 dude.


That's like, really fucking good though.

benjamin3740 posted...
On the contrary, I remember Han having some action from Red at least, yeah?


I don't remember for sure. It was Scare who I thought was suspising me out of nowhere, but he flipped not Scum. I feel like red did say something my direction, but would need to look it up.

Crescent-Moon posted...
Even if scum had a kill on Corrik that was stopped, Zach wouldn't have been the one who sent it.


I don't follow?
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:30:13 PM
#293:


The correct answer was: Han never named a #2 at all~
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:30:16 PM
#294:


Laying down for bed. Last call!
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ColZach
08/20/18 11:30:43 PM
#295:


Crescent-Moon posted...
The correct answer was: Han never named a #2 at all~


Then Im clearly

~correct~
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:31:02 PM
#296:


Crescent-Moon posted...
The correct answer was: Han never named a #2 at all~


HanOfTheNekos posted...
If I were to do a priority order right now, it would be: Zach - Death - Crescent - FD (with Ben and Tange fitting in AFTER I consider if it makes sense for Sheep to be shot over Puns if there is no Godfather).

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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/18 11:31:37 PM
#297:


Zach - Tange - Death - Crescent/Ben - FD is probably my updated order now, though.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:32:13 PM
#298:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
Your reads are still like 50/50 dude.


That's like, really fucking good though.

benjamin3740 posted...
On the contrary, I remember Han having some action from Red at least, yeah?


I don't remember for sure. It was Scare who I thought was suspising me out of nowhere, but he flipped not Scum. I feel like red did say something my direction, but would need to look it up.

Crescent-Moon posted...
Even if scum had a kill on Corrik that was stopped, Zach wouldn't have been the one who sent it.


I don't follow?

The remaining scum has to be the one who killed Plum. Scum kept their night actions minimal, and Puns kept insisting Leo killed Plum. Scum probably figured Puns actually was tracker. They would then not know who he actually targeted.

Does Zach, as the one who killed Plum, jump out for no reason and claim targeting Corrik?
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:32:42 PM
#299:


ColZach posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
The correct answer was: Han never named a #2 at all~


Then Im clearly

~correct~

I was more testing how quickly you'd respond than anything.
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Crescent-Moon
08/20/18 11:33:33 PM
#300:


And considering Puns didn't flinch even slightly to Scare and no one else even hinted at a counter, I'd see no reason why they wouldn't eventually think he was what he claimed.
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