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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 8:21:56 PM
#101:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Imagine if someone refused to ever touch black people. Would you still think businesses should hire that person?

How is that even remotely comparable? She wasn't singling out any class of people.
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RainblowDash
08/19/18 9:31:23 PM
#102:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Imagine if someone refused to ever touch black people. Would you still think businesses should hire that person?

How is that even remotely comparable? She wasn't singling out any class of people.


Males
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 10:44:14 PM
#103:


RainblowDash posted...
Males

She's giving the same greeting to both males and females, dude. Seriously, you're completely out of the fucking loop. Do some basic fucking research.
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The Admiral
08/19/18 11:07:25 PM
#104:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
RainblowDash posted...
Males

She's giving the same greeting to both males and females, dude. Seriously, you're completely out of the fucking loop. Do some basic fucking research.


The city of Lausanne in Switzerland has blocked a Muslim couple from becoming Swiss nationals over their refusal to shake hands with members of the opposite sex.


Try reading your own fucking links.
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DarkTransient
08/19/18 11:11:41 PM
#105:


I assume anyone who says that this is wrong, would say the same if someone were to go to a Muslim country and not follow their customs and got treated badly for it, right?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:13:25 PM
#106:


The Admiral posted...
Try reading your own fucking links.

Dude I'm talking about the prospective employee.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:14:12 PM
#107:


DarkTransient posted...
I assume anyone who says that this is wrong, would say the same if someone were to go to a Muslim country and not follow their customs and got treated badly for it, right?

America is a multicultural society. Handshaking is not the only custom that is respected here, and we laws against unnecessary discrimination. I fully support Muslim countries changing to become more multicultural and to introduce equal protection laws, but they're obviously not there yet.

America is held to a higher standard BECAUSE WE CLAIM to be better than a theocracy.
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Funbazooka
08/19/18 11:14:57 PM
#108:


If they wanted to genuinely be a part of Western culture, they would act like it.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:17:25 PM
#109:


Funbazooka posted...
If they wanted to genuinely be a part of Western culture, they would act like it.

America, nor much of Europe is NOT Western-only culture. That is the fucking truth, and I know you guys are fucking triggered by that thought.
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catboy0_0
08/19/18 11:17:30 PM
#110:


I don't know how I feel about this after reading the thread. I feel like her custom would be more accepted somewhere other than America.
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DarkTransient
08/19/18 11:18:38 PM
#111:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If they wanted to genuinely be a part of Western culture, they would act like it.

America, nor much of Europe is NOT Western-only culture. That is the fucking truth, and I know you guys are fucking triggered by that thought.


America is a Western nation. It may have significant minority populations, but it is still, by far, a western nation overall.

Even New Zealand, which is far more multicultural than America, is still very clearly a western nation.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:20:28 PM
#112:


DarkTransient posted...
America is a Western nation.

It's not a Western-ONLY nation. We fucking advertise ourselves to be an open, multicultural society. So fucking act like it.

Just because we are majority-Western, doesn't mean that we should disrespect minorities in this matter. The employee already explained that she greets people by placing her hand over her heart - WHICH HURTS NOBODY. So treat her with respect, as she has done, and become the multicultural and open society that you fucking claim to be.
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The Admiral
08/19/18 11:20:39 PM
#113:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Try reading your own fucking links.

Dude I'm talking about the prospective employee.


Are you serious?

A Muslim woman who was rejected for a job after not shaking a male interviewers hand has been awarded over 3,000 in compensation.

Farah Alhajeh was told to leave after telling the male interviewer she could not shake his hand on religious grounds


Ms. Alhajeh, the labor court said in a statement, adheres to an interpretation of Islam that prohibits handshaking with the opposite sex unless it is a close member of the family. The court concluded that the womans refusal to shake hands with people of the opposite sex is a religious manifestation that is protected under Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

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Rika_Furude
08/19/18 11:20:55 PM
#114:


ModLogic posted...
The Admiral posted...
Islamic Council handed out pamphlets explaining how men could still "lightly beat them" without technically violating the law:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/26/pakistani-husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-islamic-council-says/

woow what a religion

What the FUCK is wrong with these people?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:23:29 PM
#115:


The Admiral posted...
Are you serious?

Yes, the interviewer was male, and the employee already stated that if the interviewer was female, she'd ALSO refuse to shake hands. L2 fucking basic research.
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The Admiral
08/19/18 11:25:24 PM
#116:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Are you serious?
Yes, the interviewer was male, and the employee already stated that if the interviewer was female, she'd ALSO refuse to shake hands. L2 fucking basic research.


Ms. Alhajeh, the labor court said in a statement, adheres to an interpretation of Islam that prohibits handshaking with the opposite sex unless it is a close member of the family. The court concluded that the womans refusal to shake hands with people of the opposite sex is a religious manifestation that is protected under Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights.


I truly pity your reading skills.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:26:50 PM
#117:


The Admiral posted...
I truly pity your reading skills.

The employee ALSO STATED that she'd respect Equal-Protection clauses by refusing to shake hands with both sexes. Dude, L2 fucking research. Holy fucking shit you're an embarrassment.
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Rika_Furude
08/19/18 11:28:29 PM
#119:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
DarkTransient posted...
America is a Western nation.

It's not a Western-ONLY nation. We fucking advertise ourselves to be an open, multicultural society. So fucking act like it.

We are, by sending people who wont home to their own countries.
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The Admiral
08/19/18 11:29:47 PM
#120:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
The Admiral posted...
I truly pity your reading skills.

The employee ALSO STATED that she'd respect Equal-Protection clauses by refusing to shake hands with both sexes. Dude, L2 fucking research. Holy fucking shit you're an embarrassment.


No she didn't. She literally said the opposite in the court filings that I quoted and bolded for you. You have no excuse to remain this ignorant.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:30:52 PM
#121:


Rika_Furude posted...
We are, by sending people who wont home to their own countries.

Troll-Status confirmed.
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Rika_Furude
08/19/18 11:33:53 PM
#122:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
We are, by sending people who wont home to their own countries.

Troll-Status confirmed.

No, youre just incapable of understanding how rejecting problematic cultures is a good thing...
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LordChad
08/19/18 11:34:16 PM
#123:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
stone age religious beliefs from a literal patriarchy have no place in civilized society

So you admit that Christianity has no place in civilized society.

i like how you suddenly attacked Christianity , but not the mentioned religion on your original post
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:35:16 PM
#124:


Rika_Furude posted...
No, youre just incapable of understanding how rejecting problematic cultures is a good thing...

In this case, the man forcing other people to touch and caress his hand for a job, IS the problematic culture.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:35:40 PM
#125:


LordChad posted...
i like how you suddenly attacked Christianity , but not the mentioned religion on your original post

Because, in this particular instance, the non-Muslim guy is the one causing the problems.
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Rika_Furude
08/19/18 11:36:35 PM
#126:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
No, youre just incapable of understanding how rejecting problematic cultures is a good thing...

In this case, the man forcing women to touch and caress his hand for a job, IS the problematic culture.

Nobody is forcing her to do anything. If she refuses to shake the mans hand, she is free to turn down the job offer.
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LordChad
08/19/18 11:39:51 PM
#127:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
i like how you suddenly attacked Christianity , but not the mentioned religion on your original post

Because, in this particular instance, the non-Muslim guy is the one causing the problems.


so you cherrypicked and chose to mock Christianity? You were also as bad as that guy then
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:44:20 PM
#128:


LordChad posted...
so you cherrypicked and chose to mock Christianity? You were also as bad as that guy then

No, I gave a counter-example to demonstrate that the issue is not about which religion is better or worse.
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LordChad
08/19/18 11:53:02 PM
#129:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
so you cherrypicked and chose to mock Christianity? You were also as bad as that guy then

No, I gave a counter-example to demonstrate that the issue is not about which religion is better or worse.

nope,
if you did give counter example, you would also address the mentioned religion on original post as part of the patriarchy to acknowledge it
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/19/18 11:56:58 PM
#130:


LordChad posted...
nope,
if you did give counter example, you would also address the mentioned religion on original post as part of the patriarchy to acknowledge it

Why would I address something that wasn't causing the problem in this particular instance?
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LordChad
08/19/18 11:59:46 PM
#131:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
nope,
if you did give counter example, you would also address the mentioned religion on original post as part of the patriarchy to acknowledge it

Why would I address something that wasn't causing the problem in this particular instance?


so you denied the truth about the patriarchy but is okay to bash other religion?
i already can guess what you religion is due to your personal biased displayed here
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glitteringfairy
08/20/18 12:01:07 AM
#132:


TC exists only to be triggered. You're arguing with a brick wall
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Rika_Furude
08/20/18 12:01:11 AM
#133:


I noticed TC is dodging now
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DavidWong
08/20/18 12:08:50 AM
#134:


Rika_Furude posted...
No, youre just incapable of understanding how rejecting problematic cultures is a good thing...


Why is our binge drinking, coward punching, domestic violence culture accepted then
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:15:54 AM
#135:


LordChad posted...
so you denied the truth about the patriarchy but is okay to bash other religion?
i already can guess what you religion is due to your personal biased displayed here

WTF are you blabbering on about? We're talking about this particular instance. The Muslim lady is not the one refusing citizenship, or refusing jobs to people.
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Rika_Furude
08/20/18 12:18:00 AM
#136:


DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
No, youre just incapable of understanding how rejecting problematic cultures is a good thing...


Why is our binge drinking, coward punching, domestic violence culture accepted then

Its not. Try announcing you bash women in public and see how that goes for you.
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LordChad
08/20/18 12:19:15 AM
#137:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
so you denied the truth about the patriarchy but is okay to bash other religion?
i already can guess what you religion is due to your personal biased displayed here

WTF are you blabbering on about? We're talking about this particular instance. The Muslim lady is not the one refusing citizenship, or refusing jobs to people.

i was refering to the part when that guy mentioned about your religion as patriarchy as I quoted , but you didn't acknowledge and suddenly mention christianity
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:21:38 AM
#138:


LordChad posted...
i was refering to the part when that guy mentioned about your religion as patriarchy as I quoted , but you didn't acknowledge and suddenly mention christianity

Yes? As a counterexample to demonstrate that his logic is fucking flawed. Seriously, did someone hit you in the head in the past few days?
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LordChad
08/20/18 12:23:39 AM
#139:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
i was refering to the part when that guy mentioned about your religion as patriarchy as I quoted , but you didn't acknowledge and suddenly mention christianity

Yes? As a counterexample to demonstrate that his logic is fucking flawed. Seriously, did someone hit you in the head in the past few days?


a biased counter example , it seemed

so now you also started giving personal insult , seemed like you got butthurt
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Fight_The_Power
08/20/18 12:24:22 AM
#140:


Lol this whole topic
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Atralis
08/20/18 12:25:26 AM
#141:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
who cares if a muslim doesn't get a job "just because" they won't integrate into our culture? thats their problem, not ours

Why is a handshake mandatory, again? Seems kind of barbaric to force people to touch you.


Seems kind of barbaric to allow women to show their hair or their faces for that matter. Seems kind of barbaric to allow them to leave the house.

Where do you draw the line BBT?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:26:02 AM
#142:


LordChad posted...
a biased counter example , it seemed

so now you also started giving personal insult , seemed like you got butthurt

ROFL, I'm asking because you're speaking as if you have a damn concussion and I am genuinely worried about your personal health.
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kayoticdreamz
08/20/18 12:26:11 AM
#143:


Forlorn_Ass posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
stone age religious beliefs from a literal patriarchy have no place in civilized society

So you admit that Christianity has no place in civilized society.


Christianity has reformed itself and is decent compared to Islam.

shh....don't tell that to liberals

FLUFFYGERM posted...
MakoReizei posted...
funny how since she's a Muslim it's "her choice" but if she refused because she was Christian it would be because of the evil Christian patriarchy


got em


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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:26:43 AM
#144:


Atralis posted...
Seems kind of barbaric to allow women to show their hair or their faces for that matter. Seems kind of barbaric to allow them to leave the house.

Where do you draw the line BBT?

Personal choice. The Muslim lady was not forcing anything on the interviewer.

The interviewer on the other hand was imposing his personal biases on the lady and discriminating against her for something that has nothing to do with her fucking job performance.
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LordChad
08/20/18 12:27:58 AM
#145:


i bet if the story is about people being refused job in Arab because he ate pork for breakfast , TC wouldn't bother to make a topic.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:29:05 AM
#146:


LordChad posted...
i bet if the story is about people being refused job in Arab because he ate pork for breakfast , TC wouldn't bother to make a topic.

Why would I make a topic about the customs of a theocratic dictatorship acting like a theocratic dictatorship?
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LordChad
08/20/18 12:29:36 AM
#147:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
a biased counter example , it seemed

so now you also started giving personal insult , seemed like you got butthurt

ROFL, I'm asking because you're speaking as if you have a damn concussion and I am genuinely worried about your personal health.


nope , you are just being salty. and now you deny it , like your other arguments
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Atralis
08/20/18 12:31:22 AM
#148:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Atralis posted...
Seems kind of barbaric to allow women to show their hair or their faces for that matter. Seems kind of barbaric to allow them to leave the house.

Where do you draw the line BBT?

Personal choice.


Well lets all go with our personal choice then BBT. Certain employers won't give them employment and certain nations won't give them citizenship because they are religious radical by the standards of those employers/countries. Personal choice.
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LordChad
08/20/18 12:35:53 AM
#149:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
LordChad posted...
i bet if the story is about people being refused job in Arab because he ate pork for breakfast , TC wouldn't bother to make a topic.

Why would I make a topic about the customs of a theocratic dictatorship acting like a theocratic dictatorship?


yet you made a topic about the custom from other country. Ironic
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:38:23 AM
#150:


Atralis posted...
Well lets all go with our personal choice then BBT. Certain employers won't give them employment and certain nations won't give them citizenship because they are religious radical by the standards of those employers/countries. Personal choice.

In America, we separate businesses from private organizations. Personal choice refers to individual behavior, and private not-for-profit institutes.

Too late for businesses and corporations. The Constitution specifically gave the government authority to regulate business and commerce to make them fair and tolerant to people of all classes - so long as they are doing a good job. The point of this is to prevent people in power from denying other people a fair opportunity to climb the economic ladder, over petty, arbitrary reasons. A TRUE meritocracy.

In exchange for these regulations, American government gives business special benefits and privileges that individuals and private organizations do not receive -- such as bankruptcy protection, Limited Liability, and the ability to avoid personal responsibility in many criminal proceedings.

If you want the right to be a bigot, you're more than free to do so as an individual or group in a non-commercial or nonprofit setting.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/20/18 12:40:50 AM
#151:


LordChad posted...
yet you made a topic about the custom from other country. Ironic

Not ironic at all. The topic is about a country that CLAIMS AND ADVERTISES to be an open, multicultural society.
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