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https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/08/16/australians-who-wont-unlock-their-phones-could-face-10-years-in-jail/
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Is this in Aussieland or Americalatovania?

Phone and/or work interwebs do not like the link.
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Australia
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If I lived in Australia, my ass would be using a damn flip phone.
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Can CE's Australians please explain what's going on in Australia?
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What can they do if you say you forgot the code?
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voldothegr8 posted...

What can they do if you say you forgot the code?

Have fun rotting in jail for 10 years!
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The governments explanatory note says that the Bill could force a manufacturer to hand over detailed specs of a device, install government software on it, help agencies develop their own systems and capabilities, and notify agencies of major changes to their systems. In short, it would force communications providers to work extensively with the government to gain access to a targets data where it was in their power to do so, and it would also compel them to keep all of this secret.

Fiction becomes reality once more.

I'm curious how the current two years "wasn't enough". The article doesn't elaborate on it.
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I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!
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Living in Australia is already being in jail
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!

I'm willing to bet that armed citizens is the major factor for why this shit isn't happening in the US at nearly the rate it is in Europe and Straya.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!

I'm willing to bet that armed citizens is the major factor for why this shit isn't happening in the US at nearly the rate it is in Europe and Straya.

"LOL do you REALLY believe a farmer with a shotgun stands a chance against a tank and an aircraft carrier????!!!!?!?!1111"
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I didn't mean to make this a US vs. Australia thing. It just sounds awful, and I'd like to know if this really has any chance of passing or if it's just posturing from an incompetent government.

Does Australia have any type of freedom chart?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!

I'm willing to bet that armed citizens is the major factor for why this shit isn't happening in the US at nearly the rate it is in Europe and Straya.

"LOL do you REALLY believe a farmer with a shotgun stands a chance against a tank and an aircraft carrier????!!!!?!?!1111"

So you do think a single farmer with a shotgun could 1v1 a tank?
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darkmaian23 posted...

I didn't mean to make this a US vs. Australia thing. It just sounds awful, and I'd like to know if this really has any chance of passing or if it's just posturing from an incompetent government.

Either option is terrifying tbqh. Because it shows what their politicians are really after. Even if they are incompetent now, they may not be tomorrow.

Australians need to bring back the guillotine tbqh.
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if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

the government only has your best interests in mind
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I live in Australia and I haven't heard about this.
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Tmaster148 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!

I'm willing to bet that armed citizens is the major factor for why this shit isn't happening in the US at nearly the rate it is in Europe and Straya.

"LOL do you REALLY believe a farmer with a shotgun stands a chance against a tank and an aircraft carrier????!!!!?!?!1111"

So you do think a single farmer with a shotgun could 1v1 a tank?

Maybe with proper micro.
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How similar is this to letting a cop search your car or search you? Why do we have to follow orders of power hungry people?
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So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....
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SageHarpuia posted...

So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....

Pretty positive Australians still have the right to defend themselves.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

I'm bumping this because I just saw an article on it. Is this sort of garbage really going to pass? I know nothing about Australian politics or the basic rights you are guaranteed. 10 years sounds ridiculous, and here in the US law enforcement has been repeatedly told to fuck off when they've tried to get court orders forcing companies to develop software for them.

B-but....b-but...in America people have the right to self defense using GUNS!!!

I'm willing to bet that armed citizens is the major factor for why this shit isn't happening in the US at nearly the rate it is in Europe and Straya.

"LOL do you REALLY believe a farmer with a shotgun stands a chance against a tank and an aircraft carrier????!!!!?!?!1111"

Yeah bro I noscope tanks all the time with a Mosin Nagant in Battlefield 8!!!

Tmaster148 posted...

So you do think a single farmer with a shotgun could 1v1 a tank?

No, but there's definitely a reason dictators always disarm people before they oppress them.
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AlephZero posted...

if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear

the government only has your best interests in mind

you dont sound faithful enough to me tbqh

off to the gulag you go for sensitivity training
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http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html

"Police can force you to unlock your phone" is probably not the road you want to go down if you want to start making comparisons that are complimentary to the US. Especially since it's not even actual law in australia yet, as compared the US where it's already happening
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Tmaster148 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....

Pretty positive Australians still have the right to defend themselves.

When is illegal for you to own a firearm, or even a taser, that basically means women and elderly people have no right to self-defense.

"Hey grandma, you have the right to defend yourself! Now charge at the young male assailant with your bare arthiritic hands!"
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Frolex posted...

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html

"Police can force you to unlock your phone" is probably not the road you want to go down if you want to start making comparisons that are complimentary to the US. Especially since it's not even actual law in australia yet, as compared the US where it's already happening

i skimmed through that and it says they need a permit and it didnt mention facing 10 years in prison for not letting a cop do that

whereas australia's bullshit sounds like they want the cops to be able to just scan anyone's phone any time like they do in China when searching for illegal materials
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....

Pretty positive Australians still have the right to defend themselves.

When is illegal for you to own a firearm, or even a taser, that basically means women and elderly people have no right to self-defense.

"Hey grandma, you have the right to defend yourself! Now charge at the young male assailant with your bare arthiritic hands!"

just call the cops!
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SageHarpuia posted...

So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....

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Frolex posted...

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html

"Police can force you to unlock your phone" is probably not the road you want to go down if you want to start making comparisons that are complimentary to the US. Especially since it's not even actual law in australia yet, as compared the US where it's already happening

Where in there does it say you can be punished for not unlocking your phone for the police in the US?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

So Australians have no right to self-defense, and now they also have no right to privacy? They might as well walk around naked at this point....

Pretty positive Australians still have the right to defend themselves.

When is illegal for you to own a firearm, or even a taser, that basically means women and elderly people have no right to self-defense.

"Hey grandma, you have the right to defend yourself! Now charge at the young male assailant with your bare arthiritic hands!"

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

i skimmed through that and it says they need a permit and it didnt mention facing 10 years in prison for not letting a cop do that

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that police can search phones with a valid warrant and compel a person in custody to provide physical evidence such as fingerprints without a judge's permission.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?
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Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?

Weak deflection. Can you answer the question or do we just accept that anyone naturally weaker than 25 year-old men are going to be defenseless in any altercation with them?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?

Weak deflection. Can you answer the question or should we just accept that anyone naturally weaker than 25 year-old men are going to be defenseless in any altercation with them?

I didn't realize you were naturally weaker than a 25-year old man.
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Frolex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

i skimmed through that and it says they need a permit and it didnt mention facing 10 years in prison for not letting a cop do that

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that police can search phones with a valid warrant and compel a person in custody to provide physical evidence such as fingerprints without a judge's permission.

yeah so they need a warrant to search and it doesnt sound like they can force someone with risk of ten years in prison if they dont comply
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Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?

Weak deflection. Can you answer the question or should we just accept that anyone naturally weaker than 25 year-old men are going to be defenseless in any altercation with them?

I didn't realize you were naturally weaker than a 25-year old man.

You do know that laws affect everyone, right? Not just us in Gamefaqs' 15-35 male demographic?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?

Weak deflection. Can you answer the question or should we just accept that anyone naturally weaker than 25 year-old men are going to be defenseless in any altercation with them?

I didn't realize you were naturally weaker than a 25-year old man.

You do know that laws affect everyone, right? Not just us in Gamefaqs' 15-35 male demographic?

You do know people in Australia can own guns. Like it's not illegal to own a gun in Australia as much as you think. It's just weird how your first reaction is that "how can some old women or weak person defend themselves without a gun".
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Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Because a gun/taser is the only thing people can use as weapons.

What should grandma use to defend herself, a pointy stick?

Or maybe a phone to dial the police that won't be there until 10 minutes after the attacker already beat her to a pulp?

You have an odd obsession with old women. Are you sure it's just not a fetish?

Weak deflection. Can you answer the question or should we just accept that anyone naturally weaker than 25 year-old men are going to be defenseless in any altercation with them?

I didn't realize you were naturally weaker than a 25-year old man.

You do know that laws affect everyone, right? Not just us in Gamefaqs' 15-35 male demographic?

You do know people in Australia can own guns. Like it's not illegal to own a gun in Australia as much as you think. It's just weird how your first reaction is that "how can some old women or weak person defend themselves without a gun".

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?

A right to defend yourself is not tied to the right to own a gun. People are capable of defending themselves without guns whether or not you like that fact.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Frolex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

i skimmed through that and it says they need a permit and it didnt mention facing 10 years in prison for not letting a cop do that

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that police can search phones with a valid warrant and compel a person in custody to provide physical evidence such as fingerprints without a judge's permission.

yeah so they need a warrant to search and it doesnt sound like they can force someone with risk of ten years in prison if they dont comply

I do believe there was a recent story where someone was kept in jail because he refused to unlock his phone. Might've been a CP case or something like that.

I do agree that having someone unlock their phone to "assist" with a police investigation runs afoul of the Fifth Amendment. State's got to do the legwork.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?

A right to defend yourself is not tied to the right to own a gun. People are capable of defending themselves without guns whether or not you like that fact.

lmfao classic Tmaster148 tbqh
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Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?

A right to defend yourself is not tied to the right to own a gun. People are capable of defending themselves without guns whether or not you like that fact.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

"Hey grandma, you have the right to defend yourself! Now charge at the young male assailant with your bare arthiritic hands!"

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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?

A right to defend yourself is not tied to the right to own a gun. People are capable of defending themselves without guns whether or not you like that fact.

lmfao classic Tmaster148 tbqh

Coming from someone who believes the government might try to poison children through vaccines doesn't really mean much.
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Tmaster148 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Do they have a right to own guns? Because if not, then they don't really have a right to defend themselves, do they?

A right to defend yourself is not tied to the right to own a gun. People are capable of defending themselves without guns whether or not you like that fact.

lmfao classic Tmaster148 tbqh

Coming from someone who believes the government might try to poison children through vaccines doesn't really mean much.

oh you mean like how the Trump administration is forcibly poisoning detained children with psychedelics?
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Australia sucks ass
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Reading through the actual bill, there doesn't seem to be any mention of private citizens being obligated to comply with requests to access data, only hardware and service providers being legally required to cooperate with requests by law enforcement to gain access to devices investigators have warrants to search, something that is already law in the US. the only difference is that the scope of this bill would potentially allow law enforcement to compel providers to create special backdoors in devices that they could use in other investigations. something the US has already tried to force as well
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