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Abyssea 08/16/18 1:57:52 PM #52: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
Abyssea posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...I think those courts only apply to civil matters and its pretty limited to what they can rule. Like conveyancing or land law for example. regardless of the reasoning behind it, its silly. It makes you guys look weak. :v Pull it together please. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 08/16/18 1:57:53 PM #53: |
in the imaginations of redhats
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 1:58:47 PM #54: |
Abyssea posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...Abyssea posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...I think those courts only apply to civil matters and its pretty limited to what they can rule. Like conveyancing or land law for example. Well we are a "melting pot of multicultural faiths and beliefs". Even I think that has its weakness. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 08/16/18 1:59:57 PM #55: |
Oi, you got a loisince for that no-go?
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Abyssea 08/16/18 2:00:15 PM #56: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
Well we are a "melting pot of multicultural faiths and beliefs". Even I think that has its weakness. Being a melting pot doesn't mean you have to let other cultures walk all over your own. :v --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:00:29 PM #57: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted... Apples and oranges. You should compare empty streets at night between districts, then tell me they're equally dangerous. If they're not, then congrats, you use zones too. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:00:41 PM #58: |
s0nicfan posted...
Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. So the empty streets are the no-go zones you've been going on about? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:02:10 PM #59: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. "I've been going on about?" I quoted London PD. Take your issue up with them if you take issue with the idea that not all blocks are equally dangerous. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RaulJenkins 08/16/18 2:03:34 PM #60: |
i read this whole topic and i STILL don't know where the no go zones are
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:04:30 PM #61: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. You quoted someone then showed me a map that probably has no relevance with the quote. Abyssea posted... SpiritSephiroth posted...Well we are a "melting pot of multicultural faiths and beliefs". Even I think that has its weakness. I don't even know which culture is walking over which here. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:04:47 PM #62: |
RaulJenkins posted...
i read this whole topic and i STILL don't know where the no go zones are Dont worry. There still are. Somewhere. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:06:18 PM #63: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
You quoted someone then showed me a map that probably has no relevance with the quote. You asked where. I linked to crime statistics. You call that no relevance? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:07:00 PM #64: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...You quoted someone then showed me a map that probably has no relevance with the quote. Crime statistics. Okay so Westminster is a no go zone then? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Abyssea 08/16/18 2:08:04 PM #65: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
I don't even know which culture is walking over which here. The muslims are walking over yours. You guys went out of your way to give them citizenship and let them immigrate and they decide they don't need to be accountable to your already established legal system and started their own. I mean, if that isn't a spit in the face I don't know what is. I guess this is why Brexit happened. :v --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmpV2 08/16/18 2:08:31 PM #66: |
s0nicfan posted...
I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter: Sonicfan, since you seem adept at embarrassing yourself, i would like to point out that no where in this does the officer say there are "no-go" zones. He says there are areas he wouldn't want to go because of higher crime.. Which literally all cities have. --- MH4U / MHW (XBOX): Jacques Arc MHGen / MHGenU: XTRMNTR ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaBreakfast 08/16/18 2:08:59 PM #67: |
Tc you're expecting a lot of the type of idiots we get in here to get the difference between mutually agreed upon means of dealing with civil matters and criminal law.
Also do you work in a big firm or a smaller one --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Valesa 08/16/18 2:10:24 PM #68: |
glitteringfairy posted...
Unite posted...There arent any no go zone set up in London. I have a friend who moved there... maybe a year ago? ...then I got her job after she quit to move. --- ~Ne finis pas comme ton pere~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:11:35 PM #69: |
Abyssea posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...I don't even know which culture is walking over which here. Which Muslims are walking all over the UK? All of them? Why are so pissed off that some Muslims actually pay MORE in cases of deeds and leases? What the hell lol. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaBreakfast 08/16/18 2:11:51 PM #70: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. I think the issue is that 'no go zones' is universally deployed in a racist manner which directly attributes any issues there to Muslim people there. Im sure nobody would have an issue with somebody stating that certain areas are more or less dangerous than others if it wasn't an extremely loaded statement 99% of the time --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 08/16/18 2:12:36 PM #71: |
I thought the no-go zones were in Paris and Sweden.
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:12:48 PM #72: |
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Tc you're expecting a lot of the type of idiots we get in here to get the difference between mutually agreed upon means of dealing with civil matters and criminal law. I like to have faith in people :/ NinjaBreakfast posted... Also do you work in a big firm or a smaller one Smaller one but I'm planning on moving to a big high street firm soon. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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luigi13579 08/16/18 2:20:46 PM #73: |
Abyssea posted...
they don't need to be accountable to your already established legal system and started their own This is false. They follow the same laws as everyone else. The 'sharia courts' that are often mentioned are simply religious communities dealing with marriage/divorce and things like that (but ultimately British law is supreme). There are equivalents for Jews and Christians. It's like when you get married and the church recognizes it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Abyssea 08/16/18 2:21:33 PM #74: |
luigi13579 posted...
Abyssea posted...they don't need to be accountable to your already established legal system and started their own then why do they call them courts? :v --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:26:19 PM #75: |
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I think the issue is that 'no go zones' is universally deployed in a racist manner which directly attributes any issues there to Muslim people there. Im sure nobody would have an issue with somebody stating that certain areas are more or less dangerous than others if it wasn't an extremely loaded statement 99% of the time That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. That's also a nice clean statement we can actually analyze by looking at regional demographics and matching them to crime statistics to determine objectively whether there's any truth to that statement. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 08/16/18 2:27:53 PM #76: |
luigi13579 posted...
Abyssea posted...they don't need to be accountable to your already established legal system and started their own n-no, s-shut up, don't destroy my fantasy of the muslims taking over white countries --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 2:30:18 PM #77: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. Yeah but they didnt say there are no go zones, youre the one whos been saying there are --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:31:53 PM #78: |
s0nicfan posted...
That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. Here you're just fucking assuming things. I was legitimately wondering where these zones are and if they even existed. You substantiated your claim with something that has nothing to do with a description of a no go zone. Just a crime statistic. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:32:58 PM #79: |
A crime statistic that apparently you thought has a relevance.
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:33:03 PM #80: |
King_Hellebuyck posted...
s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. A London police office was explicitly asked about Trump's no go comment and the article ends with him saying he has a point. Are you really going to make the "he didn't use the word so it doesn't count!" argument here? This isn't the exit row of an airplane where you need to explicitly say "yes" or it doesn't count. Use some common sense. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rikasa 08/16/18 2:35:18 PM #81: |
No go zones might have existed somewhere, but it seems like the right wants to invoke that image while getting people to admit it's "technically true" because the term is so vague.
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King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 2:35:27 PM #82: |
s0nicfan posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic. Youre taking a real big leap there, bud. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:36:25 PM #83: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. What do you think people mean when they use the phrase "no go zone" since you seem so fucking ruffled at the idea that I think you're talking about Islam? Are you really "legitimately wondering" where these zones are, or did you already have an opinion on the matter and made this topic to troll? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:39:50 PM #84: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. I dont think i brought up Islam even once in this topic except when replying to others who seem to have a raging hardon for it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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luigi13579 08/16/18 2:40:24 PM #85: |
Abyssea posted...
then why do they call them courts? :v You'd need to ask them. Maybe it's because they actually are/were courts in Muslim countries and the term has stuck. Or maybe it's just an English approximation of the Arabic name. I don't know to be honest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HiddenLurker 08/16/18 2:40:42 PM #86: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are? If he did they would probably be able to identify him and charge him for islamphobia. --- [Insert tired meme here] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:41:08 PM #87: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. So then I ask again since you chose not to answer: What do you think people mean when they use the phrase "no go zone"? Define the term in your own words so people know what you're talking about. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RaulJenkins 08/16/18 2:41:36 PM #88: |
still waiting for the specific locations of those no go zones as per TC's request. i must brush up on my knowledge
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:43:07 PM #89: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. Areas that are too dangerous for people to travel in. Where crime is hugely rampant. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:47:36 PM #90: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. So your question is "Does the UK have areas that are too dangerous for people to travel in?" We've already acknowledged that there are areas of low and high crime, and you yourself have said you'd be at risk of being mugged if you were out alone at night with headphones. So if your question about "no go" zones has literally nothing to do with religion, then the areas with the highest crime rates and gang activity that police themselves admit are risky to enter in-uniform would be no-go zones, which puts us BACK at crime statistics. If the map I presented (that you said has "no relevance") isn't specific enough, try this one then, which was generated using the crime map that exists at police.co.uk: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8294418/Most-dangerous-neighbourhood-identified-by-crime-map.html --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/16/18 2:48:33 PM #91: |
Abyssea posted...
then why do they call them courts? :v Who's "they"? The people who run them don't call them courts. Racists call them courts an attempt to mislead people they are speaking to. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:51:41 PM #92: |
s0nicfan posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...s0nicfan posted...That's a fair point. I've explicitly avoided mentioning religion because the TC seemed intent on being a shit about the idea that no go zones exist when we have quotes from police effectively saying they do. The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment. So you're giving me this point because i said im not looking for islamic related incidents? So basically the way the phrase is being thrown around just proves its a term used as a derogative one? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 2:52:55 PM #93: |
Basically "the crime was made by a muslim so it attributes to a no go zone." If not then it isnt.
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 2:54:06 PM #94: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm not "giving" you anything. By your definition of no go zones, they objectively do exist, and they exist as areas of high gang activity, as defined by the map generated from UK police data. So if your point had nothing to do with religion, then objectively I've answered both questions. If it secretly DID have something to do with religion, and you don't actually mean it when you say that "no go zones" just mean areas of high crime, that gets back to another question I asked: s0nicfan posted... What do you think people mean when they use the phrase "no go zone" since you seem so fucking ruffled at the idea that I think you're talking about Islam? Are you really "legitimately wondering" where these zones are, or did you already have an opinion on the matter and made this topic to troll? EDIT: And even then, from the part of my post you conveniently cut when you quoted it: s0nicfan posted... The TC should have just said what he really thinks, which is "muslim neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous than other neighborhoods in the UK" which is a totally reasonable and not veiled comment.That's also a nice clean statement we can actually analyze by looking at regional demographics and matching them to crime statistics to determine objectively whether there's any truth to that statement. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 3:00:13 PM #95: |
s0nicfan posted...
I'm not "giving" you anything. By your definition of no go zones, they objectively do exist, and they exist as areas of high gang activity, as defined by the map generated from UK police data. So if your point had nothing to do with religion, then objectively I've answered both questions. No they dont? What did i say. I said rampant crime to the point where its extemely dangerous as we see people constantly state. That would probably constitute as a no go zone. You've literally just thrown me crime statistics. Huge leap there. s0nicfan posted...
Again, refer to my statement. We're basically to the point where you cant actually prove anything. I dont think i actually asked you personally. Do you think they exist? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King_Hellebuyck 08/16/18 3:03:21 PM #96: |
So there arent any Muslim no go zones or really any other ones just some normal city crime?
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 3:04:51 PM #97: |
King_Hellebuyck posted...
So there arent any Muslim no go zones or really any other ones just some normal city crime? Seems like it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 3:07:31 PM #98: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
No they dont? What did i say. I said rampant crime to the point where its extemely dangerous as we see people constantly state. That would probably constitute as a no go zone. You've literally just thrown me crime statistics. Huge leap there. So then let me ask a simple question: Do you think neighborhoods with gang hubs would be considered extremely dangerous? EDIT: And by your definition I absolutely do think they exist. Gangs are a real thing, and there are absolutely places you couldn't wander alone without significant risk of assault. That's just common sense. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 08/16/18 3:11:41 PM #99: |
s0nicfan posted...
So then let me ask a simple question: Do you think neighborhoods with gang hubs would be considered extremely dangerous? What areas? Specifically in London. s0nicfan posted... EDIT: And by your definition I absolutely do think they exist. Gangs are a real thing, and there are absolutely places you couldn't wander alone without significant risk of assault. That's just common sense. Fair enough if you believe that. But again, where? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AmpV2 08/16/18 3:15:18 PM #100: |
s0nicfan posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...I think the issue is that 'no go zones' is universally deployed in a racist manner which directly attributes any issues there to Muslim people there. Im sure nobody would have an issue with somebody stating that certain areas are more or less dangerous than others if it wasn't an extremely loaded statement 99% of the time There are no quotes from police officers saying they exist. What you posted as a source doesn't even back you up, lol. That's why you had to put the bullshit qualifier "police *effectively* saying they do". --- MH4U / MHW (XBOX): Jacques Arc MHGen / MHGenU: XTRMNTR ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/16/18 3:16:06 PM #101: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
What areas? Specifically in London. I would guess the ones in the link I posted that you clearly didn't visit. Here is the top 10 by crime by street using actual police data since clearly asking you to actually look at the evidence I've provided is too hard. I've even cut it down to the top 3 worst streets for the top 3 most relevant crimes to spoon feed it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8294418/Most-dangerous-neighbourhood-identified-by-crime-map.html Worst streets for total crime in December --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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