Current Events > Okay so where the fuck are these "no-go zones" in London?

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Someone tell me? I live in North London. Work around east and South London. Travel a lot on foot at all hours of the day.

But i keep getting told by people, especially individuals who dont even live here, that there are numerous no-go zones.
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I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

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s0nicfan posted...

Yeah but where at?
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s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?
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The citizens are paying the price due to these governments choices.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?

Where are they specifically?
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don't go into an Arsenal bar wearing Man U colors. You'll get beat up.
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He wants an address or it's fake news.
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?

Where they're at. It's like a news report that says "Danger, this restaurant is rat infested. Stay tuned for more", but it never says which restaurant that is.

If people were supposed to be suspicious and wary of no-go zones, it would be nice to know where exactly that is.
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rikasa posted...

He wants an address or it's fake news.

He wants to know where they places are to see if they actually exist. Is that hard to understand?
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CrimsonRage posted...

silly tc, don't you know random americans on a dying video game message board know more about your country than people living there?

Appeal to authority.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?

Where are they specifically?

Okay, so we're on the same page that no go zones exist, as specifically called out by London PD. As for where? Here's a heat map of crime by district in London. I'd imagine it's the bright red areas that are worst:

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EvalAngell posted...

don't go into an Arsenal bar wearing Man U colors. You'll get beat up.

My friends get into a lot if arguments about football it gets annoying.

CrimsonRage posted...

silly tc, don't you know random americans on a dying video game message board know more about your country than people living there?

Thats what im thinking. As someone who works and lives here they make it sound like we're invaded.
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?

Where are they specifically?

Okay, so we're on the same page that no go zones exist, as specifically called out by London PD. As for where? Here's a heat map of crime by district in London. I'd imagine it's the bright red areas that are worst:

Now im gonna have to cross reference those areas and the specific spots.
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Why does your heat map look like a virus spreading it's infection from the center with a big red infected area off to the West side.
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I can't say personally, but a London officer has something to say on the matter:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/

"Rob", currently serving in the Met Police, insisted police weren't scared, but admitted bosses had told officers to avoid wearing uniforms in certain places in the capital.

He told Nick Ferrari: "There has been a time when it's been advised not to wear half-blues or uniform to and from work.

"It's like damage limitation. You try to do the most you can to prevent anything bad from happening.

"All intelligence is around you and you do the best with that to essentially stay safe. And if that means taking measures to not identify yourself off-duty too much then so be it.

"It's covering your backs. It's a common sense approach."

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"There are areas when you have to be a little switched on about what's happening in the world."

Afterwards, Nick Ferrari commented: "Hang on a second, maybe there is something in what Donald Trump said. Police are being advised not to travel to and from work in their uniforms.

From what you quoted does he go into detail of where these certain estates are?

Is your issue whether or not there are no go zones, or where specifically they are?

Where are they specifically?

Okay, so we're on the same page that no go zones exist, as specifically called out by London PD. As for where? Here's a heat map of crime by district in London. I'd imagine it's the bright red areas that are worst:

You realize your source didnt say no go zones exist, right?
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So according to that map Enfield is one of the safest areas? Lol
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Unironically I'd be very interested in a first hand account of what walking thru the red areas is like.
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s0nicfan posted...

Okay, so we're on the same page that no go zones exist, as specifically called out by London PD. As for where? Here's a heat map of crime by district in London. I'd imagine it's the bright red areas that are worst:

I would not jump to that conclusion. That map is so zoomed out that the bright red areas are basically just the highest population density areas.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

So according to that map Enfield is one of the safest areas? Lol

Why is that funny? Is Enfield a place you wouldn't go? The heat map is based on actual crime statistics, so I'm not sure what the issue is.
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rikasa posted...

Unironically I'd be very interested in a first hand account of what walking thru the red areas is like.

Okay so the middle part is westminster, and part of the top middle is Islington. Im well aquianted with both and I doubt westminster is riddled with gangs???

I can see Islington being slightly more dangerous as its north next to Hackney and Haringey. But really?
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Maybe it's where the muslims are?
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

So according to that map Enfield is one of the safest areas? Lol

Why is that funny? Is Enfield a place you wouldn't go? The heat map is based on actual crime statistics, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

I travel there a lot, have seen the odd one or two shady person but other than that from my own experience, how would the no-go zone apply?
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There arent any no go zone set up in London.

In USA there are many states and city that are pretty much no go zones.

That crime heat map for London looks like most cities, as in the area's with higher population densities have higher crime.
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No-go zone being theres a 50% chance more of me being stabbed? 90%? If thats the case ive been really fucking lucky.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

That crime heat map for London looks like most cities, as in the area's with higher population densities have higher crime.

This is what I was thinking since Westminster is red.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

So according to that map Enfield is one of the safest areas? Lol

Why is that funny? Is Enfield a place you wouldn't go? The heat map is based on actual crime statistics, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

I travel there a lot, have seen the odd one or two shady person but other than that from my own experience, how would the no-go zone apply?

So if you travel there a lot, and it's listed on the map as safe due to a low crime rate... then I still don't understand why you're "lol"ing. Doesn't the map match your experiences?
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is it true that muslims over there don't have to follow your laws? that they have their own courts and everything? :o
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Unite posted...

There arent any no go zone set up in London.

In USA there are many states and city that are pretty much no go zones.

What part of London do they reside?
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https://www.findahood.com/articles/crime/heat-map-of-london-crime/34

Here's the source for the map above, by the way. It brings up an intersting fact about the red area to the left:

"Some of the red spots just outside of Central may be of interest. The big red area to the east of London is Stratford and New Town in Newham which happens to contain the Olympic Park. Since this data would include the time of the London 2012 Olympics this would explain the higher rate of cases reported here and will most likely be temporary."
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

So according to that map Enfield is one of the safest areas? Lol

Why is that funny? Is Enfield a place you wouldn't go? The heat map is based on actual crime statistics, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

I travel there a lot, have seen the odd one or two shady person but other than that from my own experience, how would the no-go zone apply?

So if you travel there a lot, and it's listed on the map as safe due to a low crime rate... then I still don't understand why you're "lol"ing. Doesn't the map match your experiences?

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.
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im staying in part of the red zone (SoHo) for a week in sept

will report back on all the times i am assaulted
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Abyssea posted...

is it true that muslims over there don't have to follow your laws? that they have their own courts and everything? :o

Doesn't that operate within the framework of English law? Its not a seperate legal system.

And it also doesn't apply to Criminal matters at all. Although im not a civil or family lawyer, I usually deal with personal injury. UK Precedence still apply to those cases I believe.
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Unite posted...

There arent any no go zone set up in London.

In USA there are many states and city that are pretty much no go zones.

This. Most importantly middle Tennessee. It's the worst of the worst in the whole country. Tell all your friends and family, tell everyone you know to please stop fucking moving here.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.

Well then why don't you tell US which areas you wouldn't go to since you seem to know quite well.
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Darkman124 posted...

im staying in part of the red zone (SoHo) for a week in sept

will report back on all the times i am assaulted

Please do. If you actually do get assaulted it would be helpful if you shared your experience.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Darkman124 posted...

im staying in part of the red zone (SoHo) for a week in sept

will report back on all the times i am assaulted

Please do. If you actually do get assaulted it would be helpful if you shared your experience.

guessing between zero and negative five
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Abyssea posted...

is it true that muslims over there don't have to follow your laws? that they have their own courts and everything? :o

Doesn't that operate within the framework of English law? Its not a seperate legal system.

And it also doesn't apply to Criminal matters at all. Although im not a civil or family lawyer, I usually deal with personal injury. UK Precedence still apply to those cases I believe.

I don't know, you tell me. :v Ive just heard they have their own muslim courts that enforce sharia law.
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.

Well then why don't you tell US which areas you wouldn't go to since you seem to know quite well.

In general? I'd just say don't look at your phone constantly with headphones on in the night on a empty street like in every other country. I don't apply "zones".
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Abyssea posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Abyssea posted...

is it true that muslims over there don't have to follow your laws? that they have their own courts and everything? :o

Doesn't that operate within the framework of English law? Its not a seperate legal system.

And it also doesn't apply to Criminal matters at all. Although im not a civil or family lawyer, I usually deal with personal injury. UK Precedence still apply to those cases I believe.

I don't know, you tell me. :v Ive just heard they have their own muslim courts that enforce sharia law.

I think those courts only apply to civil matters and its pretty limited to what they can rule. Like conveyancing or land law for example.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.

Well then why don't you tell US which areas you wouldn't go to since you seem to know quite well.

In general? I'd just say don't look at your phone constantly with headphones on in the night on a empty street like in every other country. I don't apply "zones".

I'm willing to bet you could do that in 99% of suburbs with no risk, unless you're implying you could get mugged anywhere in the UK if caught alone with a phone out.

But you're the expert here.
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s0nicfan posted...

I'm willing to bet you could do that in 99% of suburbs with no risk, unless you're implying you could get mugged anywhere in the UK if caught alone with a phone out.

But you're the expert here.

in the two lengthy trips ive been to london, wandering around very late at night across zones 1 and 2 (basically the regions that are red on that map) i have never felt as if i were in any sort of risk, nor has my wife and she lived there for 6mo
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s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.

Well then why don't you tell US which areas you wouldn't go to since you seem to know quite well.

In general? I'd just say don't look at your phone constantly with headphones on in the night on a empty street like in every other country. I don't apply "zones".

I'm willing to bet you could do that in 99% of suburbs with no risk, unless you're implying you could get mugged anywhere in the UK if caught alone with a phone out.

But you're the expert here.

What? Im just implying common sense.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

I think those courts only apply to civil matters and its pretty limited to what they can rule. Like conveyancing or land law for example.

I think that's outrageous. <.< if you move somewhere you should have to abide by their laws imo. Why are you guys letting them establish their own legal system instead of using the one already in place?
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They never caught Jack the Ripper so it's probably best to avoid that area.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

s0nicfan posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I meant not just Enfield, but Wesminster and Islington.

Also no it doesn't. Not at all.

Well then why don't you tell US which areas you wouldn't go to since you seem to know quite well.

In general? I'd just say don't look at your phone constantly with headphones on in the night on a empty street like in every other country. I don't apply "zones".

I'm willing to bet you could do that in 99% of suburbs with no risk, unless you're implying you could get mugged anywhere in the UK if caught alone with a phone out.

But you're the expert here.

What? Im just implying common sense.

Common sense is that there are safe and dangerous neighborhoods, and knowing which is which will alter how you act and when you go, because not everywhere is equally dangerous. You yourself have indicated that some areas are shadier than others in this very topic.
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Abyssea posted...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I think those courts only apply to civil matters and its pretty limited to what they can rule. Like conveyancing or land law for example.

I think that's outrageous. <.< if you move somewhere you should have to abide by their laws imo. Why are you guys letting them establish their own legal system instead of using the one already in place?

I think its something to do with interest, as in Islamic land law they actually pay more to avoid it or something as its not permissable. But I can double check for you with colleagues if you want?
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