Current Events > Millennial Couple Bikes Through ISIS Territory to Prove 'Humans Are Kind'

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Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.

No, they got that idea because there is something fundamentally wrong with their brain.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/were-the-american-cyclists-killed-in-tajikistan-naive-for-
traveling-there/2018/08/14/f8212ca8-9b36-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html
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Experts on the region, however, reject the idea that the Americans were naive. Central Asia generally is fairly safe, said Paul Stronski, a senior fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. This is a region where the countries are very strong security and police states, so we have not seen the same sorts of large-scale terrorist attacks as in other regions of the world.

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There is plenty of good in the world yet there is still evil as well.
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Conflict posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.

lol imagine thinking some people are just "born wrong"

Imagine the state of your education.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy
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Tajikistan is not ISIS territory and many trans-asiatic bikers pass through the central asian countries

They weren't in Iraq, come on. The odds of this happening in Tajikistan are probably lower than if they were biking through southern Chicago
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.

Sociopaths exists and are not shaped by their environment. Sure not every sociopath is a murderer, some are able to use their lack of human compassion in more constructive ways.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.

The perpetrator is always to blame, but the rest of us have the responsibility of vigilance in not being a complete dumbass.

creativerealms posted...

Sociopaths exists and are not shaped by their environment.

Sociopathy is actually more something that can be developed by environmental factors. Psychopathy on the other hand is something you're born with.
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EnragedSlith posted...

They are completely responsible for this because theyd still be alive if they didnt stupidly jaunt into extremely dangerous territory.

The U.S. travel advisory for Tajikistan at the time was Level 1. Which just means people should "exercise normal precautions." This is not the ISIS hotbed the TC's article is making it out to be.

Now would I personally go to a country that borders Afghanistan? No, but let's not pretend they were wandering through ISIS strongholds here. And ultimately, the blame goes to the people running others over and stabbing them, not the people being stabbed, even if it was dumb decision making that got them stabbed.
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"Victim blaming" nothing, this was objectively a poor idea.

If you walk into the woods, naked, covered in honey glaze, wearing chains of smoked sausages as necklaces, and start throwing rocks at a grizzly bear, you get what you get.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Tragic that this happened, and of course the murderers are the real monsters of the story. But seriously... dont do that. Dont tempt fate.
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Rimmer_Dall posted...

Conflict posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.

lol imagine thinking some people are just "born wrong"

Imagine the state of your education.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy

I guess I use the term sociopaths when I should use the term psycopath. According to that I would probably be a sociopath.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.

Scott Stewart, a vice president for tactical analysis with Stratfor, a geopolitical intelligence firm, said that before the attack, his company had ranked Tajikistan as medium for a terrorism threat, and, quite frankly, the attack hasnt changed that.

Stewart noted that a similar attack occurred last year in Manhattan, when a terrorist in a rented truck struck nearly two dozen bicyclists and pedestrians near a bike path. Eight people were killed. These sort of attacks can happen across the globe, he said. There have always been dangers in the world, and you cant just not go everywhere where you might be attacked, or you wouldnt go anywhere.
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The threat in Tajikistan isnt zero, he said, but I would not put it at anywhere near the levels we see in countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Central Asia, including Tajikistan is beautiful, [Seth Jones, director of the Transnational Threats Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies] said. If tourists want to go there, or anywhere else in Central Asia, I think its worth visiting as long as youre cautious about where you go . . . and keep a relatively low profile.

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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.

Mocking innocent, if naive, people who only wanted to do good makes you a pretty shitty person tbh.
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Rimmer_Dall posted...

creativerealms posted...

Sociopaths exists and are not shaped by their environment.

Sociopathy is actually more something that can be developed by environmental factors. Psychopathy on the other hand is something you're born with.

Yeah it looks like I got the two confused. Apparently that's a common thing to do.
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Colorahdo posted...

Tajikistan is not ISIS territory and many trans-asiatic bikers pass through the central asian countries

They weren't in Iraq, come on. The odds of this happening in Tajikistan are probably lower than if they were biking through southern Chicago

Still blew a hole in their "humans are kind" hypothesis tho
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scar the 1 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.

Scott Stewart, a vice president for tactical analysis with Stratfor, a geopolitical intelligence firm, said that before the attack, his company had ranked Tajikistan as medium for a terrorism threat, and, quite frankly, the attack hasnt changed that.

Stewart noted that a similar attack occurred last year in Manhattan, when a terrorist in a rented truck struck nearly two dozen bicyclists and pedestrians near a bike path. Eight people were killed. These sort of attacks can happen across the globe, he said. There have always been dangers in the world, and you cant just not go everywhere where you might be attacked, or you wouldnt go anywhere.
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The threat in Tajikistan isnt zero, he said, but I would not put it at anywhere near the levels we see in countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Central Asia, including Tajikistan is beautiful, [Seth Jones, director of the Transnational Threats Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies] said. If tourists want to go there, or anywhere else in Central Asia, I think its worth visiting as long as youre cautious about where you go . . . and keep a relatively low profile.

None of this changes the fact that there are evil people in the world, and their deaths proved the point

creativerealms posted...

Yeah it looks like I got the two confused. Apparently that's a common thing to do.

You can probably blame Hollywood for that.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

To be fair, Tajikistan isn't exactly "ISIS territory"

Yep, Tajikistan is one of the safest places over there.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Tajikistan.html

It was literally Level 1 before this incident.
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EnragedSlith posted...

I feel the same way about every white college girl at a liberal arts school who spends summers in impoverished parts of the world to take selfies with poor people

Agreed.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Regardless, they're not the ones to blame here, and screw anyone who thinks they should be.

This was as suicidal as getting in a pen with a tiger or jumping off a cliff. The savage murders are "to blame" but these idiots were delusional and nothing will change that fact. And . . . their mentality should be mocked and ridiculed because if they had power over other people, they'd get them killed too.

Tajikistan has the same travel advisory as France, Italy, China, Spain... are you comitting suicide by traveling to Italy?
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Funkydog posted...

Mocking innocent, if naive, people who only wanted to do good makes you a pretty shitty person tbh.

I'll wear the mantle of shitty person if it helps prevent people like this from ever dictating our foreign policy.

scar the 1 posted...

Stewart noted that a similar attack occurred last year in Manhattan

Anyone dumb enough to fall for this sophistry deserves what happens to them.
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There's no way this is real. Has to be a joke.
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Man are there some real upset usual suspects in this topic.
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Colorahdo posted...

Tajikistan has the same travel advisory as France, Italy, China, Spain... are you comitting suicide by traveling to Italy?

Neither of those countries border active war zones or ISIS hotbeds. ISIS doesn't respect borders so this comparison is stupid.

Weed is also a schedule 1 drug . . . you buying the danger of that too?
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This is why Trump won
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I'll wear the mantle of shitty person if it helps prevent people like this from ever dictating our foreign policy.

You doing this won't change a thing. It just shows what sort of person you are.
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Even when a place is safe to travel you still need to be careful. Obvious if you are going into a more dangerous part of the country. Really the report makes them sound dumber then they really were if the country was considered safe at that time. It does seem like there was more bad luck involved and not just stupidity.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Weed is also a schedule 1 drug . . . you buying the danger of that too?

Well, you, uh, have an increased risk of heart disease, from all sodium in the Funyuns you're inevitably going to much on.

Conflict posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rimmer_Dall posted...

No, some people are just fucking born wrong. You can tell when they start torturing rabbits to death for fun at like age five or something.

Guess where the 5 year old got that idea, the environment around them.

lol imagine thinking some people are just "born wrong"

Wait, you guys are serious? I mean there are children who are demonstrably more aggressive and exhibit violent tendencies than other children, and it can vary across the backgrounds of their environment. Now whether or not we should categorize these traits as being good or evil, or right or wrong, would be a different argument.
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NeonOctopus posted...

This is why Trump won

pssh
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creativerealms posted...

Even when a place is safe to travel you still need to be careful. Obvious if you are going into a more dangerous part of the country. Really the report makes them sound dumbed then they really were if the country was considered safe at that time. It does seem like there was more bad luck involved and not just stupidity.

Right?

Like I feel the main reason everyone's so "GRJSJHWISJGD" over this story is because of what they said before they went.

Outside of that it's just a story about 4 people who were unfortunately killed in a country that's been considered safe. That literally happens all the time.
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But no one is asking the most important question.... "What happened to the bikes?"
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Funkydog posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I'll wear the mantle of shitty person if it helps prevent people like this from ever dictating our foreign policy.

You doing this won't change a thing. It just shows what sort of person you are.

Bingo, and goes for a lot of people here using this to prove some sort of political point. Naive people who at least want see the good in humanity being murdered because of their naivety isn't something to use as a political talking point unless you're a shitty person to begin with. Ultimately this entire thing is just sad.
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these are the types of people who are pro-mass illegal immigration and acceptance of mass refugees but are the types who will be living in gated communities away from where these people end up settling right?

HypnoCoosh posted...

But no one is asking the most important question.... "What happened to the bikes?"

That's not the important question.
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I know it's not all that relevant, but the detail about him being vegan and her being vegetarian stood out to me. I wonder what it was that she just couldn't let go of to be full vegan like her husband
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Funkydog posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I'll wear the mantle of shitty person if it helps prevent people like this from ever dictating our foreign policy.

You doing this won't change a thing. It just shows what sort of person you are.

Bingo, and goes for a lot of people here using this to prove some sort of political point. Naive people who at least want see the good in humanity being murdered because of their naivety isn't something to use as a political talking point unless you're a shitty person to begin with. Ultimately this entire thing is just sad.

Or . . . it serves as an excellent analogy for certain domestic policy ideas. The cost of naivety is death. Stop trying to high road, no one gives a shit.
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Damn, they're fools but rest in peace I guess. Could of been avoided.
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eston posted...

I know it's not all that relevant, but the detail about him being vegan and her being vegetarian stood out to me. I wonder what it was that she just couldn't let go of to be full vegan like her husband

Maybe she is just a good wife. ;)
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

But no one is asking the most important question.... "What happened to the bikes?"

That's not the important question.

It's called sarcasm.
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I'm impressed, they made it over to Tajikistan in their cycling adventures, shame it was cut short. Kind of weird that the article made a big deal on their decision to be vegetarian.

blackguy posted...

these are the types of people who are pro-mass illegal immigration and acceptance of mass refugees but are the types who will be living in gated communities away from where these people end up settling right?

Probably not since they had no problem traveling the world to even the less known countries.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

But no one is asking the most important question.... "What happened to the bikes?"

[Bad photoshop of a turban on Doc Louis]

ok I know that couple is extremely naive, but wtf is wrong with these isis savages? They see some people riding their bikes and their first instinct is to stab them to death?

Holy crap. Theyre a modern day hippie caricature.
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Tajikistan literally had a better safety rating than Jamaica and how many Americans go there every year?
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Seaman_Prime posted...

ok I know that couple is extremely naive, but wtf is wrong with these isis savages? They see some people riding their bikes and their first instinct is to stab them to death?

Apparently, the first instinct was to ram them with a car.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Colorahdo posted...

Tajikistan has the same travel advisory as France, Italy, China, Spain... are you comitting suicide by traveling to Italy?

Neither of those countries border active war zones or ISIS hotbeds. ISIS doesn't respect borders so this comparison is stupid.

Weed is also a schedule 1 drug . . . you buying the danger of that too?

Is it dangerous to travel to Texas, then? cartels don't care about borders
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