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Vol2tex
08/14/18 3:19:23 PM
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Meanwhile, after the first year's worth of Oswalds, Walt Disney attempted to renew his contract with Winkler Pictures, but Charles Mintz, who had taken over Margaret Winkler's business after marrying her, wanted to force Disney to accept a lower advance payment for each Oswald short. Disney refused, and as Universal owned the rights to Oswald rather than Disney, Mintz set up his own animation studio to produce Oswald cartoons. Most of Disney's staff was hired away by Mintz to move over, once Disney's Oswald contract was done in mid-1928.[15]

Working in secret while the rest of the staff finished the remaining Oswalds on contract, Disney and his head animator Ub Iwerks led a small handful of loyal staffers in producing cartoons starring a new character named Mickey Mouse.[16] The first two Mickey Mouse cartoons, Plane Crazy and The Galloping Gaucho, were previewed in limited engagements during the summer of 1928. For the third Mickey cartoon, however, Disney produced a soundtrack, collaborating with musician Carl Stalling and businessman Pat Powers, who provided Disney with his bootlegged "Cinephone" sound-on-film process. Subsequently, the third Mickey Mouse cartoon, Steamboat Willie, became Disney's first cartoon with synchronized sound and was a major success upon its November 1928 debut at the West 57th Theatre in New York City.[17]The Mickey Mouse series of sound cartoons, distributed by Powers through Celebrity Productions, quickly became the most popular cartoon series in the United States.[18][19]


Can you imagine a world with no Mickey Mouse?
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xyphilia
08/14/18 3:20:47 PM
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Funny how what goes around comes around.
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xyphilia
08/14/18 3:27:53 PM
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Oh and later he decides to screw others some more the same way he was screwed and worse, learning nothing from the experience of don't be a dick.

It IS too bad he never did get to see the disney renaissance or the disney revival, which mark the greatest time periods of disney after the dark age.
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Vol2tex
08/14/18 3:36:22 PM
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Well if he didn't die, maybe the studio's direction would have been different. Perhaps it wouldn't have reached a nadir from which the Disney Renaissance emerged.

How would history change regarding Don Bluth then? Maybe he wouldn't have quit to work on his own animations?
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1337toothbrush
08/14/18 3:39:41 PM
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Perhaps copyright law would be somewhat more reasonable.
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TommyG663513
08/14/18 3:49:12 PM
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I'm sure Disney was the type of guy to blame the Jews anyways so I feel less sorry for him.

Kind of weird how people always make jokes of his anti-Semitism yet we still celebrate the characters he created.
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xyphilia
08/14/18 3:53:46 PM
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Vol2tex posted...
Well if he didn't die, maybe the studio's direction would have been different. Perhaps it wouldn't have reached a nadir from which the Disney Renaissance emerged.

How would history change regarding Don Bluth then? Maybe he wouldn't have quit to work on his own animations?

I just mean kind of a looking down from above type situation so he sees how much the company has improved. It's just staggering.

Don bluth would still be screwed, easily that's like, the constant. Not that it matters either way because his first movie secret of nimh is the only one that's any good anyway.

Ok land before time is my childhood so he made 2 good movies.

But the rest are so uncompromisingly bad that they make disney's bastardization of chronicles of prydain tame by comparison. Ok I'm exaggerating again nothing comes close to that movie I won't even condescend to type.
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Vol2tex
08/14/18 5:24:33 PM
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Didn't Don leave because the studio was straying from its classical roots?
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Vol2tex
08/14/18 9:32:38 PM
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Rock-a-Doodle was good and I also liked Anastasia, which I actually saw for the first time just 2 years ago. The animation was pretty fluid.
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YellowSUV
08/14/18 9:36:37 PM
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Fun fact: Disney traded Al Michaels (a real sports broadcaster) for Oswald.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12750497/how-espn-traded-al-michaels-oswald-rabbit
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Vol2tex
08/14/18 9:51:25 PM
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YellowSUV posted...
Fun fact: Disney traded Al Michaels (a real sports broadcaster) for Oswald.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12750497/how-espn-traded-al-michaels-oswald-rabbit


Fascinating!
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xyphilia
08/15/18 1:37:01 AM
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Bluth left for the same reason people like him and katzenburg (who would go on to make dreamworks with Steven Spielberg, a much more successful venture than bluth's) always leave.

And I also grew up with liking anastasia and still do on some level even if it hilariously marked Don bluth giving up and making an out and out disney movie that people still confuse as being a disney movie actually hehe.

And I watched thumbelina so much as a kid, I don't even know why when it's such a terrible movie that gave me nightmares.

Don't even get me started on titan ae, I watched that in theaters man, so few can say that. Still have no idea what the movie is even about.

Overall, in terms of people leaving disney, dreamworks has been the strongest rival. I'm glad the Pixar relationship was repaired because while competition is good, they had a golden age themselves in the 2000s, after an already fantastic start in the 90s.
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Vol2tex
08/15/18 11:55:22 AM
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I mean that, on Wiki it said:

Bluth was disheartened with the way the Disney company was run. He wanted to revive the classical animation style of the studio's early classics.[8] To this end, his studio, Don Bluth Productions, demonstrated its ability in its first production, a short film titled Banjo the Woodpile Cat, and this led to work on an animated segment of the live-action film Xanadu (1980).

So maybe he wouldn't have been disheartened if Walt didn't die and the studio's films were more in line with what he liked.

But here's a recent podcast with him that I listened to a year or so ago:

http://taughtbyapro.com/podcast-32-bringing-back-2d-animation-with-don-bluth-and-gary-goldman/
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Esrac
08/15/18 12:18:48 PM
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I don't believe Ub Iwerks is a real name.
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