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We cant even study these folks because there's people frothing at the mouth to kill them before they've done anything. Getting these people to come forward and help work towards a solution to this problem is an important step.

If they need to be chemically castrated they're not exactly going to come out of hiding to volunteer if people will try to murder them.
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^^ pretty much
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Jiek_Fafn posted...

We cant even study these folks because there's people frothing at the mouth to kill them before they've done anything. Getting these people to come forward and help work towards a solution to this problem is an important step.

If they need to be chemically castrated they're not exactly going to come out of hiding to volunteer if people will try to murder them.

Logical reasoning that isn't an emotional knee-jerk, why, that's basically an endorsement of pedophilia! Burn him!

yeah the witch hunting for people who are pedophiles who haven't done anything is bad, it's why gay people didn't start coming out for a while. I mean there shouldn't be acceptance of it but we shouldn't be looking to hang people via noose for having an attraction to children and not acting on it, everyone has something to hide
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Protecting our children is more important than protecting their potential predators.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

yeah the witch hunting for people who are pedophiles who haven't done anything is bad, it's why gay people didn't start coming out for a while

Why would anyone want a pedophile to come out of the closet, as you put it

They don't want to hear that!
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Jiek_Fafn posted...

We cant even study these folks because there's people frothing at the mouth to kill them before they've done anything. Getting these people to come forward and help work towards a solution to this problem is an important step.

If they need to be chemically castrated they're not exactly going to come out of hiding to volunteer if people will try to murder them.

They've done that. Chemically castrated pedophiles just use fingers or objects on their victims.

Just curious, but what's CE's opinion on prosecuting and jailing people for thought crimes?
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Thompson posted...

Just curious, but what's CE's opinion on prosecuting and jailing people for thought crimes?

They seem to be for it based on some of the replies in this thread.

We need a deeper understanding of how the brain works before we can even begin to fuck with this.

Ruid posted...

We need a deeper understanding of how the brain works before we can even begin to fuck with this.

You can't know how the brain works in relation to pedophilia if it is impossible to study people with pedophilia because of the large stigma.

If you mean in general, rather than just in relation to pedophilia, then you have a misunderstanding regarding exactly how much we do know.
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I think once we understand the brain enough to alter sexual attraction, we'll understand how to do a whole lot more with it than just that and life will pretty much stop being LIFE.

Wut.
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COVxy posted...

Wut.

Suppose we get in there turning off what we don't like and amping up what we do.

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.
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nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

Ruid posted...

nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

\_()_/
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To be fair, childhood me wouldn't care who had pictures of me at whatever age. I'd have just shrugged and kept playing. I'd have said "Well you go ahead and keep that picture and do whatever it is that you need to do with it. Now leave me alone."

Unfortunately, reactions will always be many times easier than careful consideration.

SoundNetwork posted...

No and that's a terrible movie

he wasn't cured

shut ur mouth
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Ruid posted...

nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

How about guidance and training in achieving sufficient self-control not to act on their urges?
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Thompson posted...

Ruid posted...

nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

How about guidance and training in achieving sufficient self-control not to act on their urges?

Yeah because that shit isn't gonna build up and explode...

Ruid posted...

To be fair, childhood me wouldn't care who had pictures of me at whatever age. I'd have just shrugged and kept playing. I'd have said "Well you go ahead and keep that picture and do whatever it is that you need to do with it. Now leave me alone."

shut the FUCK up
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Ruid posted...

COVxy posted...

Wut.

Suppose we get in there turning off what we don't like and amping up what we do.

I mean, we've already been successful in inducing phenotypically homosexual rats by manipulating development in the human equivalent of in utero development.

Pedophilia doesn't quite fit within the framework of sexually dimorphic behaviors, so I'd be reluctant to lump it in with sexuality. Again, we just kinda have no idea what it is because we do not have access to study those with it.
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As has been mentioned, we can't determine the best methods to help those struggling with pedophilia if we're incapable of holding a conversation without people going supernova at the very word.

catboy0_0 posted...

Ruid posted...

To be fair, childhood me wouldn't care who had pictures of me at whatever age. I'd have just shrugged and kept playing. I'd have said "Well you go ahead and keep that picture and do whatever it is that you need to do with it. Now leave me alone."

shut the FUCK up

My fuck is shut. You'll have to settle for a picture.

Some sort of discipline or self control training. Make sure that they are trained to not put themselves in avoidable situations involving children. I.E don't seek a career in grade school education. You know, just basic simple shit that people shoud know.
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COVxy posted...

I mean, we've already been successful in inducing phenotypically homosexual rats by manipulating development in the human equivalent of in utero development.

Pedophilia doesn't quite fit within the framework of sexually dimorphic behaviors, so I'd be reluctant to lump it in with sexuality. Again, we just kinda have no idea what it is because we do not have access to study those with it.

So, if further developed, that could be used to influince whether or not a person is born gay or straight?
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nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

You can't help what you're attracted to and isn't a matter of being ok or not.

Some people are attracted to big boobs

Some people are attracted to phat asses

Some people are attracted to tattoos

Some people are unfortunately attracted to prepubescent physical traits.

I sympathize with these people since they can't ever have a satisfying sexual experience since having sex with children is wrong.

Yeah it's gross and seems wrong, but this is the correct way of approaching the problem. Pedophiles need help. Just punishing them and ostracizing them doesn't work for the same reasons it doesn't work with addicts.

This, 100%.

There's a lot of parallels between pedophilia and homosexuality. For years people thought being gay was a choice, and that people who were born that way should be insulted and jailed and generally be ridiculed.

The difference here is that morally, pedophiles shouldnt attain their endgoal since there's no stretch which justifies having sex with children. BUT there's a huge margin between not letting them have kiddie sex, and "let's kill them". Holy shit is that dark.
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Ruid posted...

Thompson posted...

Ruid posted...

nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not all pedos are bad. Some don't want to harm children but they can't help being attracted to them. That's a terrible way to live. They don't deserve to die, but they do need mental therapy or something to help with their problem before they act on it.

I agree with this except the help part.

In what way do you "help" someone to change their sexual desires. I'm not being a dick I'm just really curious what people mean by this?

You don't help them change their sexual desires, you help them keep them under control and give them whatever and they need to love a normal life.

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

How about guidance and training in achieving sufficient self-control not to act on their urges?

Yeah because that shit isn't gonna build up and explode...

So, which one is it? Provide the mental strength to keep their desires in check, or provide the means to vent their urges in a safe manner?
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Ruid posted...

What the fuck does that mean? Give them a child sex doll or CP or some shit like that? Jesus...

Not at all ... Wtf I'd wrong with you,? You teach them self control and how to manage their urges. Just like drug addicts.

Ruid posted...

Yeah because that shit isn't gonna build up and explode...

Why would you say this? You make no sense and seem as if you're trying to sound ignorant or even stupid.

Dyinglegacy posted...

Some sort of discipline or self control training. Make sure that they are trained to not put themselves in avoidable situations involving children. I.E don't seek a career in grade school education. You know, just basic simple shit that people shoud know.

Don't tell Ruid that, apparently it'll just cause them to blow up one day and go on a pedo rampage. Lol cuz that's what coinciling and therapy does I guess LMAO.
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The whole thing does sound strikingly similar to the pray away the gay camp stuff.

Ruid posted...

The whole thing does sound strikingly similar to the pray away the gay camp stuff.

Yeah but that's cuz your reading comprehension is dog shit. Gay conversion therapy tried to stop people from being attracted to the same sex. We're not talking about stopping pedos from being attracted to kids, were helping them manage their attraction to kids so they don't act on it and so that it is as little of a detriment to their and everyone else's lives

It's pretty simple bro, don't know why you're struggling so much.
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Just like how managing attraction and staying "holy" due to being priests/nuns worked for the Catholic church?

Not at all, lol you think the Catholic Church helps nuns and priests with their sexual attraction? No dude, it's completely up to them. Idk why you keep trying to drag this back to the church but all it does is highlight how you still don't get this simple concept that everyone else understood right away.
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I mean, I wouldn't say that Christianity is the best source to look to for healthy management of desires.

And what would you have those people pleasure themselves to? Or do you expect them to never have any sort of release? Thinking this is a thing that'll work out is a bit nuts.

Ruid posted...

And what would you have those people pleasure themselves to? Or do you expect them to never have any sort of release? Thinking this is a thing that'll work out is a bit nuts.

You not knowing that this is already a thing that works out explains why you're so incredibly ignorant of the topic. Lol what, did you seriously think that no pedophiles have sought out professional help for their condition?
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I remember hearing about some guy that cut off his own dick. Since it was for that reason, I found that repulsively inspirational.

It seems to me that those who are dead set on not doing it aren't going to, regardless of any classes/therapy. Everyone else will just do what they do.

Ruid posted...

And what would you have those people pleasure themselves to? Or do you expect them to never have any sort of release? Thinking this is a thing that'll work out is a bit nuts.

I know this is a controversial solution, but I think an option that works out for everyone (besides the KILL EM ALL crowd) is to include some form of regulated, fictitious pornographic release for them, as a sort of nuclear option alongside their regular therapy.

Stuff like illustrations, CGI, literature, etc... I know I'm basically advocating for giving them CP, but they wouldn't just be handing them out. Itd be kept on the same level as certain drugs, as a last resort if someone mentions they impendingly have the urge to act on their desires right now. Not meant to be distributed, and only accessible from their therapy locations.
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Do pedophiles by definition have singular and uncontrollable desires? I like boobs. But I dont grope or gawk at people. Plus I have multiple things I like. Its not like I only have one and am so fixated on it that it effects my daily life.

I dont understand this sympathy for them. Sexual urges or desires dont consume my life or mental state. Oh no, they dont have an outlet for a specific desire. How they must suffer! Like wtf?
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The23rdMagus posted...

Non-offenders need treatment. Offenders need prison. Having the urges is not a crime, but acting on them is.

Pretty much this.
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_Krave_ posted...

Chicken posted...

Did they get chainsawed into tiny pieces? If so, then yes.

Does this count as hate speech towards a group of people who can't control their sexuality?

Don't molest.
There. Done.

CapnMuffin posted...

Do pedophiles by definition have singular and uncontrollable desires? I like boobs. But I dont grope or gawk at people. Plus I have multiple things I like. Its not like I only have one anliked am so fixated on it that it effects my daily life.

I dont understand this sympathy for them. Sexual urges or desires dont consume my life or mental state. Oh no, they dont have an outlet for a specific desire. How they must suffer! Like wtf?

Think of it this way. You like boobs, the most vanilla thing on the planet. So yeah, congrats. Have you ever seen a pair of naked boobs? Have you ever felt a pair of them with your hands? And most importantly, do you have ready access to a pair of boobs you're allowed to touch when you want? I'm assuming the answer to all of those is yes. Now imagine if the answer to those questions was not only "no" but was "no, because it's highly illegal and I would receive death threats if I even thought about it".
(Also does it really needs to be put it out that some people only have one turn on and some have stronger turn one than others?)

Non-acting pedos are legit victims of the shittiest luck possible, and totally deserve the freaking micron of sympathy they actually do receive.
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Not all pedophiles are necessarily fixated (as opposed to regressed) pedophiles. The attraction may be only a single dysfunctional facet of their libido that theyre capable of repressing, sublimating or otherwise safely managing for their whole lives, and it's conceivable that theyll never pose a danger to a child in real life.

Fixated pedophiles, definitely, have a responsibility to avoid placing themselves or letting themselves be placed in unsupervised situations where they may face temptation. But ideally, Id also like to see them feel able to approach a medical professional to discuss their problem and seek treatment to prevent it getting worse, without the terror of what might happen if it leaked out that theyd confessed to those feelings.

The lynch mob mentality bred by moral panic will simply continue to drive pedophiles to seek out the company of the only individuals with whom they can safely discuss their sexuality: other pedophiles. Thats bad because that kind of underground groupthink supplies a circle-jerk of validation and reinforcement for stuff that a saner society would allow you to seek treatment for without committing social suicide. In other words, a climate of unrelenting fear is more likely to make a pedophile sicker, not healthier.

In short: Im more interested in preventing child sexual abuse than I am in seeing pedophiles hurt just for being pedophiles. To me, the latter smells suspiciously like a bloodsport for cynically self-righteous thugs looking to bully societys pariahs rather than a genuine concern for the welfare of vulnerable children. Of course, you (that's a generic you) may have different priorities to mine and believe instead that the voyeuristic fun of pedo-bashing is far more important.

What about pedophiles who breach the rule about avoiding temptation and force themselves sexually on a child? My pity stops where the line gets crossed: they should be crushed beneath the full weight of the law smashing down upon them like the angry fist of God. But it has to be the law, and not this rumours good enough proof for a death sentence vigilante murder bullshit that appeals to dangerous, reckless idiots whose judgement I wouldnt trust for one moment.

Cured by death and thus breeding out that mentality.
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ForestLogic posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Do pedophiles by definition have singular and uncontrollable desires? I like boobs. But I dont grope or gawk at people. Plus I have multiple things I like. Its not like I only have one anliked am so fixated on it that it effects my daily life.

I dont understand this sympathy for them. Sexual urges or desires dont consume my life or mental state. Oh no, they dont have an outlet for a specific desire. How they must suffer! Like wtf?

Think of it this way. You like boobs, the most vanilla thing on the planet. So yeah, congrats. Have you ever seen a pair of naked boobs? Have you ever felt a pair of them with your hands? And most importantly, do you have ready access to a pair of boobs you're allowed to touch when you want? I'm assuming the answer to all of those is yes. Now imagine if the answer to those questions was not only "no" but was "no, because it's highly illegal and I would receive death threats if I even thought about it".
(Also does it really needs to be put it out that some people only have one turn on and some have stronger turn one than others?)

Non-acting pedos are legit victims of the shittiest luck possible, and totally deserve the freaking micron of sympathy they actually do receive.

Shut the fuck up
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Knowledge_King posted...

Cured by death and thus breeding out that mentality.

I used to know people just as stupid. Only, they couldn't work out why gay people weren't extinct when their breeding rates were so low.

thelovefist posted...

Shut the fuck up

No, you shut the fuck up, fucking tough guy.

Not everyone has the luxury of being a vanilla-ass mayoman like you.
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