Current Events > Apparently Craft Beer is so white they had to make a Black Beer festival

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Maybe I just have a better understanding on this being that Im mixed. The vibe between hanging out with my white side while drinking was a way different vibe than hanging out with my Mexican side.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Funbazooka posted...

I believe these guys are doing it because it interests them but also because they want a safe space away from white people.

I doubt they want to keep white people away. They probably just don't want to cater to white peoples other interest while enjoying their hobby. Im sure if white people showed up and were interested in the same topics and things as them they would have no problem with them being there.

So far as your concerned, blacks and whites typically won't have enough in common to have friendly discussion over beer? Even if they already have the same interest, craft beer, and could talk about beer at length... at a craft beer festival.

Right...

Uh, didn't expect this response. I can't tell if you're for segregation or not tbh. Are you saying people should just conform to whatever the 85% of white people are doing during drinking?

pretty much.
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I am not for racial segregation. I find this article amusing because it's an example of the anti-white narrative that has been proliferated. Some people absorb that narrative and then despite sharing common interests and hobbies, they don't want to have much to do with whites, if they can help it. But then if you flip things around, and that picture was 3 white guys, they'd be on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse.
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Funbazooka posted...

I am not for racial segregation. I find this article amusing because it's an example of the anti-white narrative that has been proliferated. Some people absorb that narrative and then despite sharing common interests and hobbies, they don't want to have much to do with whites, if they can help it. But then if you flip things around, and that picture was 3 white guys, they'd be on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse.

You're ignoring all the context that America provides to make it more acceptable.
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16-BITTER posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Maybe I just have a better understanding on this being that Im mixed. The vibe between hanging out with my white side while drinking was a way different vibe than hanging out with my Mexican side.

Being at a backyard bbq is different than a public setting with strangers. Unless the festival has a theme, it's usually just people drinking, eating and socializing, and maybe some misc. vendors are trying to sell some shit.

I don't see a black (or hispanic, or whoever else) brewers fest ending up much differently, unless they have radically different tastes in food and beer I'm not aware of.

we do have fairly different general tastes in music, food and overall ambiance and when one group is overwhelmingly catered to, it stands to reasons minorities would establish an offshoot that caters more to them.

again, not everyone wants to hear alt rock/radio rap and eat Asian fusion or tapas whenever they wanna go out for a good beer.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Funbazooka posted...

I am not for racial segregation. I find this article amusing because it's an example of the anti-white narrative that has been proliferated. Some people absorb that narrative and then despite sharing common interests and hobbies, they don't want to have much to do with whites, if they can help it. But then if you flip things around, and that picture was 3 white guys, they'd be on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse.

You're ignoring all the context that America provides to make it more acceptable.

That's just another way of saying that racism towards whites is more acceptable.
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African-Americans are 13.4 percent of the U.S. population. But surveys cited by the Brewers Association say that some 85 percent of craft beer drinkers are white, leaving just 15 percent total for black, Latinos, Asians and Native American drinkers. (However, one recent survey found that blacks make up 12 percent of craft beer drinkers.)

Even more pronounced is the disparity among makers of craft beer: Potter, who founded the group Black Brew Culture, estimated that out of more than 6,300 independent U.S. breweries, only about 50 are black-owned. That's less than 1 percent and there are none at all in the Pittsburgh region.

"That's not a good number, especially when you consider again the consumption side of it, how many people of color actually purchase these beers," says Potter.

Potter wants to change both sides of the equation. After his revelation years ago with Sam Adams, the Pittsburgh-area native found his way to East End Brewing, one of the region's longest-running craft breweries. He describes the brewery's staff as beer mentors.

So why are these percentages bad or why does this matter?

I've bought beer many times, I've never given a thought or even cared to find out what the skin color is of the people who made it.
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Funbazooka posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Funbazooka posted...

I am not for racial segregation. I find this article amusing because it's an example of the anti-white narrative that has been proliferated. Some people absorb that narrative and then despite sharing common interests and hobbies, they don't want to have much to do with whites, if they can help it. But then if you flip things around, and that picture was 3 white guys, they'd be on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse.

You're ignoring all the context that America provides to make it more acceptable.

That's just another way of saying that racism towards whites is more acceptable.

This is a lure. Im starting to think it wasn't a coincidence the last race topic I got warned in also had you arguing in it. Im going to bed.
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You said the context would make that abuse more acceptable.
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So basically if you use the right wording you can say "there's too many white people here" and have it not be a racist thing.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

So basically if you use the right wording you can say "there's too many white people here" and have it not be a racist thing.

That's what it sounds like.

It never seems to be an issue for the left that black people are over represented in the NFL, NBA or certain genres of music, or that women are over represented on college campuses, nursing and veterinary medicine programs, or that Asians are over represented in medicine and the tech sector just to name a few examples.

But the moment a demographic they don't like (either men or white people) are over represented somewhere, then it becomes an issue.
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Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

So basically if you use the right wording you can say "there's too many white people here" and have it not be a racist thing.

yep

DifferentialEquation posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

So basically if you use the right wording you can say "there's too many white people here" and have it not be a racist thing.

That's what it sounds like.

It never seems to be an issue for the left that black people are over represented in the NFL, NBA or certain genres of music, or that women are over represented on college campuses, nursing and veterinary medicine programs, or that Asians are over represented in medicine and the tech sector just to name a few examples.

But the moment a demographic they don't like (either men or white people) are over represented somewhere, then it becomes an issue.

Bingo.
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I don't understand how cultural differences are a good enough reason for why it's ok to discriminate against black people in dating but that same excuse doesn't fly for when black people want to hang out with each other. I'm not really seeing the issue if these black brewers want to bring other black people into a market that's dominated primarily by white people. Seems like expanding the market would only be good for all craft brewers as a whole.
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Bio1590 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.

The whole reason for this festival is because some people were upset that there's too many white people in the craft beer scene.

Apparently white people like making craft beer. I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this, but SJWs did.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.

The whole reason for this festival is because some people were upset that there's too many white people in the craft beer scene.

Apparently white people like making craft beer. I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this, but SJWs did.

I dont think upset is the right word. As someone said in here generally you dont care about who makes your beer.

Also its not the fact that white peoole like making craft beer, but the fact that white people have such an overwhelming Control over whats a pretty diverse market and you just thought, well maybe black people dont like making beer.

Generally when youre the only person like yourself in the room, you tend to seek out others that look like you
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A_Good_Boy posted...

I don't understand how cultural differences are a good enough reason for why it's ok to discriminate against black people in dating but that same excuse doesn't fly for when black people want to hang out with each other.

The context is very different. Seriously. Dating dynamics aren't really applicable to an event or gathering like this. You're comparing apples and oranges. Unless say it was a massive orgy heheh
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Funbazooka posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I don't understand how cultural differences are a good enough reason for why it's ok to discriminate against black people in dating but that same excuse doesn't fly for when black people want to hang out with each other.

The context is very different. Seriously. Dating dynamics aren't really applicable to an event or gathering like this. You're comparing apples and oranges. Unless say it was a massive orgy heheh

The context is different in that those brewers aren't looking to exclude or reduce the number of white brewers or craft beer drinkers from the market, but increasing the number of black brewers and black craft beer consumers. Why is it problematic to increase the size and demographics of the market? Idk man, seems like all you're doing is helping to prove them right and that you really do want craft beer to be whites only.
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Funbazooka posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I don't understand how cultural differences are a good enough reason for why it's ok to discriminate against black people in dating but that same excuse doesn't fly for when black people want to hang out with each other.

The context is very different. Seriously. Dating dynamics aren't really applicable to an event or gathering like this. You're comparing apples and oranges. Unless say it was a massive orgy heheh

Why is it different ?

At the end of the day its perfectly fine to what to be around cultures your most comfortable in and to make space for those cultures.

The problem is when you do it at the expense of other cultures
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At Next Door. Having a good time.
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GregShmedley posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Of course a coors light all star would have such an opinion about a shirt most black people would agree with

FrisbeeDude posted...

Wu_Tang_Shogun posted...

Its always white hipster nerdy dudes that are beer snobs so it makes sense.

it's either ron Swanson or Portlandia wannabes. its exhausting, man

I love how you of all people cry victim about the racism on this site yet say shit like this. GameFAQs is your safe zone to say shit you won't in real life.

lmao I've literally said this while at breweries...granted I was drunk, but still
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gamepimp12 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.

The whole reason for this festival is because some people were upset that there's too many white people in the craft beer scene.

Apparently white people like making craft beer. I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this, but SJWs did.

I dont think upset is the right word. As someone said in here generally you dont care about who makes your beer.

Also its not the fact that white peoole like making craft beer, but the fact that white people have such an overwhelming Control over whats a pretty diverse market and you just thought, well maybe black people dont like making beer.

Generally when youre the only person like yourself in the room, you tend to seek out others that look like you

Even more pronounced is the disparity among makers of craft beer: Potter, who founded the group Black Brew Culture, estimated that out of more than 6,300 independent U.S. breweries, only about 50 are black-owned. That's less than 1 percent and there are none at all in the Pittsburgh region.

We're talking about independent breweries.

If you want to say that because black people are disproportionately affected by poverty fewer of them will have the opportunity to start independent breweries then that might be fair. But there's no reason to frame that as a "too many white people" issue in the craft beer industry. Also, on average Asians have higher wealth than white people but the article doesn't give any specifics to their involvement in the industry.

It might be also might be possible that, for whatever reason, black people on the whole are less interested in craft beer than white people. People are not random events. Again, it seems that there's no issues with disparities when it's something positive for black people (like their over representation in jazz or hip hop) so it just seems funny that these disparities get always get brought up as an issue when white people are over represented somewhere.
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Wow

A_Good_Boy posted...

Funbazooka posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I don't understand how cultural differences are a good enough reason for why it's ok to discriminate against black people in dating but that same excuse doesn't fly for when black people want to hang out with each other.

The context is very different. Seriously. Dating dynamics aren't really applicable to an event or gathering like this. You're comparing apples and oranges. Unless say it was a massive orgy heheh

increasing the number of black brewers and black craft beer consumers. Why is it problematic to increase the size and demographics of the market? Idk man, seems like all you're doing is helping to prove them right and that you really do want craft beer to be whites only.

When you put it that way it's more understandable. You actually rubbed off on me here. I'm still not okay with the way they talk about it but I have to begrudgingly give you some credit here.

What a difference it makes when things aren't framed as whites vs blacks but rather all about making benjamins.
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Whoa there, don't push your luck.
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As a professional brewer I don't see the issue. We already have the Pink Boots Society celebrating women in the beer industry so I don't see why this should be any different.
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Funbazooka posted...

Whoa there, don't push your luck.

What luck?
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Dang cultural appropriation

DifferentialEquation posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.

The whole reason for this festival is because some people were upset that there's too many white people in the craft beer scene.

Apparently white people like making craft beer. I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this, but SJWs did.

I dont think upset is the right word. As someone said in here generally you dont care about who makes your beer.

Also its not the fact that white peoole like making craft beer, but the fact that white people have such an overwhelming Control over whats a pretty diverse market and you just thought, well maybe black people dont like making beer.

Generally when youre the only person like yourself in the room, you tend to seek out others that look like you

Even more pronounced is the disparity among makers of craft beer: Potter, who founded the group Black Brew Culture, estimated that out of more than 6,300 independent U.S. breweries, only about 50 are black-owned. That's less than 1 percent and there are none at all in the Pittsburgh region.

We're talking about independent breweries.

If you want to say that because black people are disproportionately affected by poverty fewer of them will have the opportunity to start independent breweries then that might be fair. But there's no reason to frame that as a "too many white people" issue in the craft beer industry. Also, on average Asians have higher wealth than white people but the article doesn't give any specifics to their involvement in the industry.

It might be also might be possible that, for whatever reason, black people on the whole are less interested in craft beer than white people. People are not random events. Again, it seems that there's no issues with disparities when it's something positive for black people (like their over representation in jazz or hip hop) so it just seems funny that these disparities get always get brought up as an issue when white people are over represented somewhere.

Youd have a point but white people are over represented in production and not consumption.

But when one or the other is heavily skewed and not both that typically is the result of a cultural difference but some external factor.

Like black people are over represented in hip hop and jazz production but they are also over represented in the consumption. So that makes sense.

But to say black people like craft beer as much as white people, but almost no black people wanna make craft beer ?

Thats weird at best
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this man

Because it involves Black people.

The whole reason for this festival is because some people were upset that there's too many white people in the craft beer scene.

Apparently white people like making craft beer. I just don't see how someone could find a way to be upset about this, but SJWs did.

You can't just handwave something as "SJWs" when an event is organized and ran by the same type of people it's meant for, wtf.
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gamepimp12 posted...

Youd have a point but white people are over represented in production and not consumption.

But when one or the other is heavily skewed and not both that typically is the result of a cultural difference but some external factor.

Like black people are over represented in hip hop and jazz production but they are also over represented in the consumption. So that makes sense.

But to say black people like craft beer as much as white people, but almost no black people wanna make craft beer ?

Thats weird at best

Based on their percentage of the population, white people are over represented in consumption according to the article. It stated that 85% of craft beer drinkers are white. Unless you meant that they're not over represented in consumption to the same extent that they are in production.

But then would you say that, based on amount of white people that consume craft beer that they're over represented as brewers? Or could you just as easily say that based on the white brewers that white people are under represented as consumers? Or is their representation in both too high?

But to say black people like craft beer as much as white people, but almost no black people wanna make craft beer ?

Maybe, maybe not. Consumption of a product and working in that industry are two different things. All I'm saying is that the idea that if people were left to their own devices and there were no obstacles in their way, then they would participate in activities in the statistically appropriate amounts seems to be always assumed.

https://infogram.com/racial-distribution-of-nba-fans-1gk9vp1gjz5gp4y

White people make up over 45% of NBA fans yet around 20% of players. I think the numbers are similar for hip hop, but the the data for the NBA was more readily available. I don't see any particular issue with that. Do you think that's weird or that there should be more white NBA players based on this data?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Youd have a point but white people are over represented in production and not consumption.

But when one or the other is heavily skewed and not both that typically is the result of a cultural difference but some external factor.

Like black people are over represented in hip hop and jazz production but they are also over represented in the consumption. So that makes sense.

But to say black people like craft beer as much as white people, but almost no black people wanna make craft beer ?

Thats weird at best

Based on their percentage of the population, white people are over represented in consumption according to the article. It stated that 85% of craft beer drinkers are white. Unless you meant that they're not over represented in consumption to the same extent that they are in production.

But then would you say that, based on amount of white people that consume craft beer that they're over represented as brewers? Or could you just as easily say that based on the white brewers that white people are under repsented as consumers?

But to say black people like craft beer as much as white people, but almost no black people wanna make craft beer ?

Maybe, maybe not. Consumption of a product and working in that industry are two different things. All I'm saying is that the idea that if people were left to their own devices and there were no obstacles in their way, then they would participate in activities in the statistically appropriate amounts seems to be always assumed.

https://infogram.com/racial-distribution-of-nba-fans-1gk9vp1gjz5gp4y

White people make up over 45% of NBA fans yet around 20% of players. I think the numbers are similar for hip hop, but the the data for the NBA was more readily available. I don't see any particular issue with that. Do you think that's weird or that there should be more white NBA players based on this data?

Yeah white people are over represented, mainly due to the lack of interest from Spanish and Asian communities.

My point was black people are barely under represented in consumption (like 13 prevent compared to 16ish) but are drastically under represented in production.

And if the nba was the only major sport in America Id agree, but I obviously dont have the numbers to back this but I think its a safe assumption to assume that if you did it by pro athletes in the six or so major sports racing diversity would be more along population percentages
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You seem to get the points in making but not connecting it all together which might be my fault

Its.

85% white consumption
13 Black
And that last 2% is everyone else

White is kinda over represented Black is kind of under represented and everyone else is basically nonexistent

But when you look at production its almost entirely white.

For the other races its fine cause they dont really have any interest in it in the first place.

But for black people its a legit question why they arent in the production cause they obviously like craft beer.

To simplify it as they probably just dont want to is a little crazy ya know
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FrisbeeDude posted...

As a craft beer fan of color (Dogfish Higher Math is my joint) I'm SO here for this. I was with my girlfriend at a brewery that opened up in our neighborhood like 2 years ago and while the beer was good, the ambience clearly was catered to white people almost exclusively. The atmosphere around the craft beer scene could definitely benefit from some black influence. It turns people away when the scene is crafted around mostly white, middle aged Male sensibilities.

I'd like to go to a place and see more than Rick and Morty on the TV and only having cards against humanity or connect four to play

Shut the fuck up
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gamepimp12 posted...

You seem to get the points in making but not connecting it all together which might be my fault

Its.

85% white consumption
13 Black
And that last 2% is everyone else

White is kinda over represented Black is kind of under represented and everyone else is basically nonexistent

But when you look at production its almost entirely white.

For the other races its fine cause they dont really have any interest in it in the first place.

But for black people its a legit question why they arent in the production cause they obviously like craft beer.

To simplify it as they probably just dont want to is a little crazy ya know

I can personally say that liking craft beer and getting involved within the industry are two entirely different beasts. We have people day in and day out wanting to get a job brewing because they think it will be "fun and hip" but it is not. Distros mostly suck to work with (especially where I am), there is a ton of physical labor and chemistry involved, brewing is a pretty complex art and isn't something you can just decide to do on a whim, it takes an extreme amount of time, patience, and experimentation to create recipes, much less perfect them. The actual brewing process itself is pretty simple until you start doing the like bottle conditioning and secondary/tertiary ferms, but its honestly a pretty stressful job and the pay isn't the best. It takes a true passion for craft to brew more than just 5 gallon batches in your garage/kitchen with a recipe you found online.
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gamepimp12 posted...

But for black people its a legit question why they arent in the production cause they obviously like craft beer.

You're framing it as "black people like craft beer, so why aren't they brewing more of it?" Why could it not instead be framed as "black people don't like brewing craft beer, so why are they drinking so much of it?".

Why must interest in consumption line up with interest in production?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

But for black people its a legit question why they arent in the production cause they obviously like craft beer.

You're framing it as "black people like craft beer, so why aren't they brewing more of it?" Why could it not instead be framed as "black people don't like brewing craft beer, so why are they drinking so much of it?".

Why must interest in consumption line up with interest in production?

Because when you're talking about something like brewing beer (or wine but that isn't the point of this topic) that doesn't even make sense. People aren't going to waste $$$ and years of their lives making craft brew if they don't like it and have zero idea what makes a good beer.
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Bio1590 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

But for black people its a legit question why they arent in the production cause they obviously like craft beer.

You're framing it as "black people like craft beer, so why aren't they brewing more of it?" Why could it not instead be framed as "black people don't like brewing craft beer, so why are they drinking so much of it?".

Why must interest in consumption line up with interest in production?

Because when you're talking about something like brewing beer (or wine but that isn't the point of this topic) that doesn't even make sense. People aren't going to waste $$$ and years of their lives making craft brew if they don't like it and have zero idea what makes a good beer.

I think it's fair to guess that because on average black people are more affected by poverty that they're less likely to have the money to start craft beer breweries.

I don't think it's fair to say because X% of craft beer drinkers are black then that percentage of craft beer brewers should be also black and then attempting to frame it as an issue with the industry being too white which is what the article seems to be doing.
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That's weird.
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So is the beer black or...? >_>
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if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor

oh my fucking god, fuck this uppity asshole. neutral literally means you arent picking sides. hes just as bad as the idiots who said that if you voted third party it might as well be a vote for the other party in the last election. i hope hes happy alienating potential supporters from his cause by acting like neutral people are fucking monsters.
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LedZeppelin posted...

if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor

oh my fucking god, fuck this uppity asshole. neutral literally means you arent picking sides. hes just as bad as the idiots who said that if you voted third party it might as well be a vote for the other party in the last election. i hope hes happy alienating potential supporters from his cause by acting like neutral people are fucking monsters.

Are you legitimately getting upset over someone using a really old quote
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LedZeppelin posted...

if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor

oh my fucking god, fuck this uppity asshole. neutral literally means you arent picking sides. hes just as bad as the idiots who said that if you voted third party it might as well be a vote for the other party in the last election. i hope hes happy alienating potential supporters from his cause by acting like neutral people are fucking monsters.

Someone hasnt read the letters from Birmingham
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VipaGTS posted...

imagine being upset about this lmao.

seriously. Why get so upset that your hobby is mostly enjoyed by people of a certain skin color?