Current Events > Was "I am no man" in the LotR books? (spoilers)

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Balrog0 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"Well we have these white heroes that receive help from treants, elves, dwarfs . . . and blacks."

I mean, that did happen in the books with Ghan Buri Ghan and the Druedain, although they're more native/pygmy types than strictly 'black'

Oh yeah and the Men received fairly little help from the elves and the dwarves, since they had their own battles to fight. The only elves at Pelennor fields IIRC were Legolas, Elladan and Elrohir, and the only Dwarf was Gimli. Similarly, only Legolas and Gimli represented Elves and Dwarves respectively in the Battle at Helm's Deep.
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scar the 1 posted...

Tom never ventured outside of the Old Forest, except for his little rescue romp in the Barrow-Downs.

yeah, but isn't there a part where Tom like makes the rivers in the general area more powerful, or he reinforces it or some shit, that then later becomes the Nazgul-flood?

or are those two events unrelated?
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scar the 1 posted...

Oh yeah and the Men received fairly little help from the elves and the dwarves, since they had their own battles to fight. The only elves at Pelennor fields IIRC were Legolas, Elladan and Elrohir, and the only Dwarf was Gimli. Similarly, only Legolas and Gimli represented Elves and Dwarves respectively in the Battle at Helm's Deep.

Indeed.
I've always liked the background information on the Battle of Dale, because it is truly the last alliance
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scar the 1 posted...

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

I think it wasn't so much the ring (why would the Ring of Air let him control water? That was Galadriel's deal), but his other powers. Gandalf says something like all of Rivendell is under Elrond's control.

The powers of the Rings of Power aren't that straight-forward, nor are they very clearly explained. What we do know is that Vilya was the most powerful of the three Rings, and we can infer that Galadriel and Elrond both used their Rings to preserve their surroundings. It's not unlikely that, as part of that preservation, Elrond was able to enchant the river.
Keep in mind that Elvish magic isn't much about casting spells like your typical wizard. It's a lot about craftsmanship and song, so it sounds more likely to me that Elrond's Ring helped him enchant the waters of Bruinen than that he did it himself.

Sounds right. Probably would have "killed the mystery" if Tolkien had gone deep explaining exactly how magic worked. He had to leave space to describe the trees. All of them. ^_^
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ROBANN_88 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Tom never ventured outside of the Old Forest, except for his little rescue romp in the Barrow-Downs.

yeah, but isn't there a part where Tom like makes the rivers in the general area more powerful, or he reinforces it or some shit, that then later becomes the Nazgul-flood?

or are those two events unrelated?

They're completely unrelated. Tom has a lot of power in his dominion, but the Fords of Bruinen are far outside of that. That was Elrond's doing.
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