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I Like Toast
07/25/18 4:29:04 PM
#52:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum

We gunna pretend that it matters when it's the server getting punished not owner/restaurant?
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sktgamer_13dude
07/25/18 4:33:14 PM
#53:


Look at these liberals think of the environment. Haha fucking liberals!

Jesus, when did all of the posters here with a conservative viewpoint become a complete joke? I mean, people like AssTank are still level-headed, but people like him are becoming rarer and rarer.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 4:33:15 PM
#54:


VandorLee posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.


You would be the one getting jail time then...


My lawyer begs to differ.


this would be a fascinating court battle
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Wasssup Now
07/25/18 4:36:26 PM
#55:


XxKrazyChaosxX posted...
Inmate: I killed a guy. What about you man? What are you in for?

Waiter: I gave someone a plastic straw....

Inmate: That's rough man. Hang in there...
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bover_87
07/25/18 4:39:27 PM
#56:


VandorLee posted...
bover_87 posted...
VandorLee posted...
Id be planting straws in other kids backpacks in high school and calling the police to bust em because with stupid fucking laws like this, stupid shit like this can happen.

Possession of a plastic straw isn't illegal, giving them out in public establishments is.


So go in an establishment with straws on hand, throw em in your glass and call the cops.

"911, whats your emergency?"

"Our waiter just brought us our drinks!"

"Sir, thats not an emergency."

"With straws!"

"Holy shit! Try to remain calm! Weve sent 3 patrol cars to your location!"

The entire point is that establishments can't have them.
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mattnd2007
07/25/18 4:41:05 PM
#57:


I'm an environmentalist. I think we need to be good stewards of the earth. But that is fucking absurd. It should be information based. Not punitive based. Or hell incentivize it. Don't use straws and your business gets some minor tax incentive or something.
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theAteam
07/25/18 5:07:01 PM
#58:


No one is getting jail time for this. That's just the maximum penalty for any misdemeanor in Santa Barbara.

9.165.060 Penalties and enforcement.
Violations of this chapter shall be enforced as follows:
A. For the first violation, upon a determination that a violation of this chapter has
occurred, city shall issue a written warning notice to the beverage provider or food
provider which will specify the violation and the appropriate penalties in the event of future
violations.
B. Thereafter, any person violating or failing to comply with any of the requirements
of this chapter shall be subject to remedies specified pursuant to Chapters 1.25 and 1.28
of this code.

1.28.020 Penalty for Misdemeanor.
Unless otherwise specified in this Code, a misdemeanor is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand
dollars ($1,000), imprisonment for a term not exceeding six (6) months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(Ord. 4408, 1986; Ord. 4067, 1980.)

You'll get a slap on the wrist and a small fine that probably increases with repeat offenses. They save the maximum penalty for people that are dicks to the judge when they go to pay their fine as to be made an example of.

This is a coastal town that relies on tourism trying to protect the aesthetics of their shoreline (i.e. their future livelihood)

Also it's just for plastic straws. They can still hand out non-plastic straws.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 5:09:06 PM
#59:


Don't worry conservatives, I'm sure talk first think later will work for you eventually.
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MelzezDoor
07/25/18 5:11:30 PM
#60:


MattSFfrd posted...
you're literally defending FUCKING JAIL TIME FOR HANDING SOMEBODY A STRAW

That's not the whole story though.
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gmanthebest
07/25/18 5:16:27 PM
#61:


What if I ask for a straw?
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bover_87
07/25/18 5:19:22 PM
#62:


gmanthebest posted...
What if I ask for a straw?

They still can't give you a plastic straw.
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Schwarber
07/25/18 5:19:35 PM
#63:


gmanthebest posted...
What if I ask for a straw?


They pee in your mouth
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sktgamer_13dude
07/25/18 5:21:22 PM
#65:


Hairistotle posted...
You guys are being dramatic.

Trolls on CE being super dramatic about a law they dont understand because LIBERALLLLLLLLS!!!!!?

That never happens!

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NeonOctopus
07/25/18 5:21:28 PM
#66:


Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?

nope!

This is why Trump won
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EnragedSlith
07/25/18 5:24:02 PM
#67:


Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?

Something like that. It isnt quite so cut and dry, Im sure. I think it was more along the lines of it being legal to not disclose having HIV because the transmission rate on drugs is zero. Or something to that effect
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Broseph_Stalin
07/25/18 5:26:20 PM
#68:


EnragedSlith posted...
Something like that. It isnt quite so cut and dry, Im sure. I think it was more along the lines of it being legal to not disclose having HIV because the transmission rate on drugs is zero. Or something to that effect


It's been explained in this topic but hey why not just take a guess mirite?
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gmanthebest
07/25/18 5:28:05 PM
#69:


bover_87 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
What if I ask for a straw?

They still can't give you a plastic straw.

That's stupid.
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Spidey5
07/25/18 5:29:11 PM
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Hop103
07/25/18 5:30:06 PM
#71:


We need New California to end these stupid laws. We need to split the Red out of the state, cleanly, none of this thirds crap.
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darkjedilink
07/25/18 5:30:52 PM
#72:


Just so we're clear, giving out a straw at a restaurant is just as illegal as literally giving someone HIV.

But, hey - as long as they don't misgender anyone, right? That's the REAL crime.
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sktgamer_13dude
07/25/18 5:32:39 PM
#73:


darkjedilink posted...
Just so we're clear, giving out a straw at a restaurant is just as illegal as literally giving someone HIV.

But, hey - as long as they don't misgender anyone, right? That's the REAL crime.

None of this is true, but Im not surprised you lack reading comprehension.

You can be given straws. You cant be given plastic straws because its an environmental issue.
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bover_87
07/25/18 5:32:42 PM
#74:


gmanthebest posted...
bover_87 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
What if I ask for a straw?

They still can't give you a plastic straw.

That's stupid.

Keyword here is plastic. Straws made of anything else are as legal as they ever were.
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 5:33:02 PM
#75:


I Like Toast posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
you're citing the maximum penalty and then acting like it's the mandatory minimum

We gunna pretend that it matters when it's the server getting punished not owner/restaurant?


why not both?
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E32005
07/25/18 5:34:08 PM
#76:


i live in SB. none of our local media says this ban comes with jail time.

what it does say is that there is a 1 year grace period (effective 2019) and every restaurant has been notified. only 5 in town have sought exceptions to the rule.

not sure where this jail time part is coming from
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theAteam
07/25/18 5:35:10 PM
#77:


E32005 posted...
i live in SB. none of our local media says this ban comes with jail time.

what it does say is that there is a 1 year grace period (effective 2019) and every restaurant has been notified. only 5 in town have sought exceptions to the rule.

not sure where this jail time part is coming from


I explained in post 58.

Also if you google this issue the only sites saying anything about jail time are shit like reason, fox news, daily caller, i.e the usual click bait propaganda machines.
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Dark_SilverX
07/25/18 5:35:59 PM
#78:


Hairistotle posted...
Knowingly infecting someone with AIDS isn't illegal?

it's treated the same as stealing a candy bar lmao

California is trash.
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 5:36:25 PM
#79:


i didn't realize the facts posted in #58, thanks for that, theAteam. that makes a lot of sense.

E32005 posted...
not sure where this jail time part is coming from


the only outlets reporting it as such are right-wing propaganda machines that just hate California because liberals
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E32005
07/25/18 5:36:29 PM
#80:


theAteam posted...
E32005 posted...
i live in SB. none of our local media says this ban comes with jail time.

what it does say is that there is a 1 year grace period (effective 2019) and every restaurant has been notified. only 5 in town have sought exceptions to the rule.

not sure where this jail time part is coming from


I explained in post 58.

so its national review alt right bullshit...figures
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JE19426
07/25/18 5:40:36 PM
#81:


I don't think the "every straw provided is a seperate viokation" is true. The part that says that uses plural which to me would mean every group of straws provided instead of individual straw.

gmanthebest posted...
bover_87 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
What if I ask for a straw?

They still can't give you a plastic straw.

That's stupid.


It's also false. The law clearly states a straw can be provided if it's requested.
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theAteam
07/25/18 5:45:00 PM
#82:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
i didn't realize the facts posted in #58, thanks for that, theAteam. that makes a lot of sense.


Every time I see one of these click bait articles talking about some insane law I go to the actual ordinances. It's the only place you'll get unbiased answers even if they are sometimes hard to read. But they are always publicly available you just gotta use google.
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catboy0_0
07/25/18 5:46:15 PM
#83:


LightHawKnight posted...
A max of 6 months or a 1000 $ fine, not that bad, but still wtf.

it's actually for a repeat offense
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mustachedmystic
07/25/18 5:47:42 PM
#84:


No @theAteam, you're wrong! Santa Barbra is going to hire armies of undercover enforcers to arrest and jail every server caught with a straw in his/her hands. Soon they will have no choice but to build new jails, just to house all the straw criminals!
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TheCyborgNinja
07/25/18 6:03:43 PM
#85:


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BlueBoy675
07/25/18 6:24:37 PM
#86:


We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.
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bover_87
07/25/18 6:25:19 PM
#87:


BlueBoy675 posted...
We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.

again

possession of a straw is not illegal
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JE19426
07/25/18 6:25:57 PM
#88:


BlueBoy675 posted...
We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.


Not at all, unless maybe the straw is made from something like Uranium.
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BlueBoy675
07/25/18 6:27:51 PM
#89:


bover_87 posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.

again

possession of a straw is not illegal

Wait so is it just businesses serving straws?
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bover_87
07/25/18 6:28:25 PM
#90:


BlueBoy675 posted...
bover_87 posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.

again

possession of a straw is not illegal

Wait so is it just businesses serving straws?

Correct, and only for plastic straws.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
07/25/18 6:29:37 PM
#91:


Liberals keep inching closer to becoming like their heroes the nazis
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BlueBoy675
07/25/18 6:29:50 PM
#92:


bover_87 posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
bover_87 posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
We live in a world where you can face legal action for being in possession of a plastic straw.

again

possession of a straw is not illegal

Wait so is it just businesses serving straws?

Correct, and only for plastic straws.

I admittedly didn't read the article. I'm playing a game so I just kinda skimmed the thread
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JE19426
07/25/18 6:30:25 PM
#93:


BlueBoy675 posted...
Wait so is it just businesses serving straws?


Correct, and only plastic ones, and only if it's not requested or otherwise allowed.
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Vicious_Dios
07/25/18 6:32:59 PM
#94:


This is the last straw that broke the camel's back who was grasping at straws. STRAWS.
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MattSFfrd
07/25/18 6:35:50 PM
#95:


Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Liberals keep inching closer to becoming like their heroes the nazis


it's really quite something

but guys, it's for the environment!
but guys, it's only PLASTIC straws!
but guys, it's ONLY a fine and maybe jail time!


fucking terrifying how brainwashed these statist lefties are
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EnragedSlith
07/25/18 6:38:25 PM
#96:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Something like that. It isnt quite so cut and dry, Im sure. I think it was more along the lines of it being legal to not disclose having HIV because the transmission rate on drugs is zero. Or something to that effect


It's been explained in this topic but hey why not just take a guess mirite?

Because I responded to an early comment without reading through multiple additional pages and simultaneous conversations. And because I remembered reading that story when it broke, and felt like I remembered enough to respond. Youre being silly.
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Caution999
07/25/18 6:43:48 PM
#97:


You couldnt make this crap up!!

Im dying of laughter. What a joke of a state.

Whats next? They gonna join the UK in banning memes ?
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darkjedilink
07/25/18 6:44:45 PM
#98:


JE19426 posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
Wait so is it just businesses serving straws?


Correct, and only plastic ones, and only if it's not requested or otherwise allowed.

Imagine defending criminal charges for giving someone a fucking straw.
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catboy0_0
07/25/18 6:59:38 PM
#99:


Caution999 posted...
Im dying of laughter. What a joke of a state.

it's just santa barbara though
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Crazyman93
07/25/18 7:37:20 PM
#100:


@Awesome posted...
Political affiliations aside for me, it looks like citizens of the USA do like being abused as long as their cult party is winning .

That's about the sum of it. If your party does it, it's okay, if the other party does it, they're "literally Hitler"
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ThunderTrain
07/25/18 7:58:32 PM
#101:


So what happens when you order a drink at a fast food place?
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