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Should of germ continuation.

They could have some horrible thing happen and the REAL Buffy could be training the NEW Buffy. Maybe even have the season finale with original Buffy getting killed saving New Buffys life.

But nope they are doing some stupid ass race swap remake.

I hate when unoriginal idiots get the rights too great shows.

Isn't Joss Whedon one of the people behind the reboot?
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There's hardly ever a black female lead in anything. I'm on board with this. And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Whites are starting to get phased out in everything and they are getting upset. I'm pretty sure this show will get a lot of underserved hate.
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Should of germ continuation.
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Darmik posted...

Isn't Joss Whedon one of the people behind the reboot?

No he is just the piggy bank (aka he thinks it will make money so he bought rights to the profit)

They probably just wanted to have his name attached so they gave him a great deal to be executive producer.

Patty_Fleur posted...

There's hardly ever a black female lead in anything. I'm on board with this. And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Whites are starting to get phased out in everything and they are getting upset. I'm pretty sure this show will get a lot of underserved hate.

It could absolutely have a fucking black lead.

Just she should be Buffys student and protege NOT fucking Buffy her self.

Reboot is stupid.

Should of been continuation/sequel

GardenHamster posted...

Patty_Fleur posted...

There's hardly ever a black female lead in anything. I'm on board with this. And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Whites are starting to get phased out in everything and they are getting upset. I'm pretty sure this show will get a lot of underserved hate.

It could absolutely have a fucking black lead.

Just she should be Buffys student and protege NOT fucking Buffy her self.

Reboot is stupid.

Should of been continuation/sequel

But then the show wouldn't be Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They would also have to rely on Sarah Michelle Gellar wanting to return. People would then expect loads of the old cast members to return.
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Technically the 90's version is also a remake.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Wait I thought you pretended you were gay, is that not one of your gimmicks anymore?
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Buffy is a superhero. There have been different interpretations of superheroes since they began. I don't see a problem with this. The series dealt with monsters in high school as a metaphor for real life struggles. Having a lead black Buffy opens the door for all sorts of current, relevant discussion.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

Buffy is a superhero. There have been different interpretations of superheroes since they began. I don't see a problem with this. The series dealt with monsters in high school as a metaphor for real life struggles. Having a lead black Buffy opens the door for all sorts of current, relevant discussion.

My issue has nothing to do with black lead, but with reboot instead of continuation.

it always cracks me up when people who have no knowledge of show business chime in with their bright ideas and act like it's the best thing in the world

let me break it down for you:

-they want ratings
-in order to get ratings, they need a certain audience demographic
-making it a continuation eliminates about 90% of your target demographic
-most of the teen audience they are after wasn't even born when the original buffy series came out
-most original buffy fans will still tune into the remake, so they'll get both audiences
-you're assuming SMG wants to return, when she's actively said that part of her life is over
-they don't want to be saddled by all that old continuity
-they don't want to be saddled by the still running buffy/angel comics continuity
-you obviously don't know joss whedon, he's one of the few creators that really care about their property, hes not the kinda guy to half ass anything
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I was expecting new details to have surfaced -- like a bigoted army of demons led by a Trump-like demon lord or something. Or maybe something less political like them revealing that the slayer got her powers from an ancient alien race.

But, no, it's just more getting mad because the series is being rebooted.

No_U_L7 posted...

it always cracks me up when people who have no knowledge of show business chime in with their bright ideas and act like it's the best thing in the world

let me break it down for you:

-they want ratings
-in order to get ratings, they need an audience demographic
-making it a continuation eliminates about 90% of your target demographic
-most of the teen audience they are after wasn't even born when the original buffy series came out
-most original buffy fans will still tune into the remake, so they'll get both audiences
-you're assuming SMG wants to return, when she's actively said that part of her life is over
-they don't want to be saddled by all that old continuity
-they don't want to be saddled by the still running buffy/angel comics continuity
-you obviously don't know joss whedon, he's one of the few creators that really care about their property, hes not the kinda guy to half ass anything

Very obviously when Star Wars failed with all those years between films.

And why Doctor Who failed.

Why Creed failed.

People clearly hate continuations.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Very obviously when Star Wars failed with all those years between films.

And why Doctor Who failed.

Why Creed failed.

People clearly hate continuations.

what...i didn't say it wouldn't get an audience...i said it wouldn't get their TARGET audience

in order to reel in massive ratings on a CW tv show, they need to target TEENS

Also your examples are all movies, which are a much different endeavor. TV show continuations are rare and only really became a thing in recent years
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

it always cracks me up when people who have no knowledge of show business chime in with their bright ideas and act like it's the best thing in the world

let me break it down for you:

-they want ratings
-in order to get ratings, they need an audience demographic
-making it a continuation eliminates about 90% of your target demographic
-most of the teen audience they are after wasn't even born when the original buffy series came out
-most original buffy fans will still tune into the remake, so they'll get both audiences
-you're assuming SMG wants to return, when she's actively said that part of her life is over
-they don't want to be saddled by all that old continuity
-they don't want to be saddled by the still running buffy/angel comics continuity
-you obviously don't know joss whedon, he's one of the few creators that really care about their property, hes not the kinda guy to half ass anything

Very obviously when Star Wars failed with all those years between films.

And why Doctor Who failed.

Why Creed failed.

People clearly hate continuations.

Hey man, he clearly understands the business
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GardenHamster posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

Buffy is a superhero. There have been different interpretations of superheroes since they began. I don't see a problem with this. The series dealt with monsters in high school as a metaphor for real life struggles. Having a lead black Buffy opens the door for all sorts of current, relevant discussion.

My issue has nothing to do with black lead, but with reboot instead of continuation.

Which you haven't really given any reasons for being against.
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No_U_L7 posted...

he's one of the few creators that really care about their property, hes not the kinda guy to half ass anything

Is that why he fired Charisma Carpenter for getting pregnant without his permission?
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Cornmuffins posted...

Patty_Fleur posted...

And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Wait I thought you pretended you were gay, is that not one of your gimmicks anymore?

@Patty_Fleur also pretends to be black and a math teacher. He's constantly swapping gimmicks.

Kajagogo posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

he's one of the few creators that really care about their property, hes not the kinda guy to half ass anything

Is that why he fired Charisma Carpenter for getting pregnant without his permission?

joss whedon is a male feminist

https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/
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Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.
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I have absolutely no problem with changing the race.

I feel like rehashing the same story again is stupid, though.

16-BITTER posted...

Darmik posted...

Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.

I mean, it's as easy as slapping "The Next Generation" on it and occasionally referencing old shit.

Maybe for a show that isn't as character focused as Buffy. But in this case it isn't.
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Darmik posted...

Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.

Nah man you could have them as do guest cameo's as a teacher/mentor position while keeping the focus on the next generation of slayers and new generation of villians. And as a season finale pull an Obi-wan and have them killed off by main new antagonist/group .
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HiddenLurker posted...

Darmik posted...

Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.

Nah man you could have them as do guest cameo's as a teacher/mentor position while keeping the focus on the next generation of slayers and new generation of villians. And as a season finale pull an Obi-wan and have them killed off by main new antagonist/group .

Well for one it wouldn't be called Buffy.

Then people would still be wondering where the old favorites are.

And they can't bring back any villains that have already been defeated by Buffy.

This is assuming SMG is even interested.
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Darmik posted...

HiddenLurker posted...

Darmik posted...

Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.

Nah man you could have them as do guest cameo's as a teacher/mentor position while keeping the focus on the next generation of slayers and new generation of villians. And as a season finale pull an Obi-wan and have them killed off by main new antagonist/group .

Well for one it wouldn't be called Buffy.

Then people would still be wondering where the old favorites are.

And they can't bring back any villains that have already been defeated by Buffy.

This is assuming SMG is even interested.

I feel like the show created enough of a universe for them to introduce a new character without missing a beat. Look at Angel, or how Faith was supposed to get her own spinoff. The show is seriously primed to have a new generation of heroes, especially since it's literally written into the story.

I think it's ridiculous how people care what race the reboot Buffy is. That's so fucking stupid to be mad over.

ProtoManSPx posted...

Cornmuffins posted...

Patty_Fleur posted...

And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

Wait I thought you pretended you were gay, is that not one of your gimmicks anymore?

@Patty_Fleur also pretends to be black and a math teacher. He's constantly swapping gimmicks.

Ah yes, I forgot about those ones. Thanks.
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Darmik posted...

HiddenLurker posted...

Darmik posted...

Sometimes reboots make more sense than a continuation. There's too much baggage with Buffy and a lot of actors they'd need to rely on returning. They've got a lot more room with a reboot and can bring back and reinterpret characters as they see fit.

Nah man you could have them as do guest cameo's as a teacher/mentor position while keeping the focus on the next generation of slayers and new generation of villians. And as a season finale pull an Obi-wan and have them killed off by main new antagonist/group .

Well for one it wouldn't be called Buffy.

Then people would still be wondering where the old favorites are.

And they can't bring back any villains that have already been defeated by Buffy.

This is assuming SMG is even interested.

They could just make a new title you know to signal that it is a new series.
"Slayer" IMO would make for a fine title for a continuation with new slayers and all.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

And I'm as anti SJW and homophobic as you can get.

glad you admit it

Skye Reynolds posted...

Or maybe something less political like them revealing that the slayer got her powers from an ancient alien race.

I remember reading a fanfic ages ago where a the Slayer's power comes from the soul of a Time Lord. They have prophetic dreams because they can see through time and their super strength was, I shit you not, because their muscles were bigger on the inside.
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Black washing
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pegusus123456 posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

Or maybe something less political like them revealing that the slayer got her powers from an ancient alien race.

I remember reading a fanfic ages ago where a the Slayer's power comes from the soul of a Time Lord. They have prophetic dreams because they can see through time and their super strength was, I shit you not, because their muscles were bigger on the inside.

For reference, the origin is already established. It was a spell cast by a bunch of shaman/sorcerer guys in prehistoric Africa. Why they didn't make multiple slayers or why the powers have such weird rules, and where the Watchers came about is totally up in the air, though.

GardenHamster posted...

Should of been continuation.

We have the comics for that, and if they scrapped the comics to make a show continue thingy, I'd get mad as fuck.
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Risky fucking move trying to rehash one of the most legendary and brilliant shows from the late 90s. Even if it's great it's going to pale in comparison.
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FF_Redux posted...

GardenHamster posted...

Should of been continuation.

We have the comics for that, and if they scrapped the comics to make a show continue thingy, I'd get mad as fuck.

But they could literally keep the story going without contradicting the comics. IIRC, there are multiple slayers just like in the last season.

I don't get this, isn't it a given that one of Buffy's main character traits is supposed to fall within the "white middle-class fiesty college blonde" parameters ? How will that work with a black Buffy ?

A bit like Superman, Superman is white and has that proverbial black hair hairstyle, he cannot be anything else and have any other hairstyle. Or like Batman being rich, it ceases working with a, say, blue collar Batman.

Is America going insane ?
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DarthWendy posted...

I don't get this, isn't it a given that one of Buffy's main character traits is supposed to fall within the "white middle-class fiesty college blonde" parameters ? How will that work with a black Buffy ?

A bit like Superman, Superman is white and has that proverbial black hair hairstyle, he cannot be anything else and have any other hairstyle. Or like Batman being rich, it ceases working with a, say, blue collar Batman.

Is America going insane ?

Uhhh ... there are middle class black people, too.

Also she didn't go to college until season 4 and she ended up dropping out when her mom died so she could take care of her sister.

I know one thing.

Had show been a continuation it would of been popular and at least got 4 seasons.

It being a reboot it will be dead on arrival. Pandering to SJWs does not get your show watched. They just will still shit on it regardless.

I never liked race swapping of any kind. It's not an absolute deal breaker with me, but I don't like it.

Most of these instances are just companies trying to pander and look hip and liberal and are trying to appeal to non-fans of certain series. It's not like they're doing it for the above reasons anyway. They just want money. They don't give a shit about people of color. They only give a shit about one color: green.

I've noticed most of these calls for "inclusivity" usually come from people who aren't fans of whatever show/movie/series too, which irritates me.

"Well why not just reboot it so they can do what they want?" How about they leave shit alone and actually have to use their brains come up with a different show instead of being lazy and cashing in on an established one?

Can't really talk about Buffy, since I've never seen it, but one of my favorite series (James Bond) is constantly brought up cause of this stuff. Would I still see a movie with a black James Bond? Yeah, but I still don't like the fact that big corporations faking inclusivity nor non-fans coming in trying to change things around so they can pat themselves on the back about how great they while praising a these corporations for the above.
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I dont really understand why this needs to happen. Buffy had a pretty simple premise and it wouldn't be hard to market a new show as "a more contemporary take on Buffy with a more racially diverse cast" without outright aping the name and story.

If people end up liking it great, but I feel like "Black Buffy" wont be able to grow out of the shadow of the original.

I never cared for it though, so whatevs lol.
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Dont really see what the big deal is, there was already a black slayer before Faith.
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