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SaccharineSmile
07/24/18 9:47:35 PM
#1:


Why? Unless you think it looks kool shifting up and down like youre a race driver around your quiet neighborhood

Automatics are better and safer as you can just concentrate on driving and not forgetting using your turn signal when changing lanes
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DarkTransient
07/24/18 9:49:16 PM
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While yes, you can use a manual to over-rev and make your car loud, there's also the reverse: you can keep it on the low side to conserve fuel, and fuck, does it make a difference.

Also,

Automatics are better and safer as you can just concentrate on driving and not forgetting using your turn signal when changing lanes


If you really can't manage use of the turn signal just because you might also be changing gears, you probably shouldn't be driving in the first place.
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KStateKing17
07/24/18 9:50:09 PM
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Upside is that less people know how to drive them so less chances of getting car jacked
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 9:50:12 PM
#4:


SaccharineSmile posted...
Why? Unless you think it looks kool shifting up and down like youre a race driver around your quiet neighborhood

Automatics are better and safer as you can just concentrate on driving and not forgetting using your turn signal when changing lanes

Manual transmissions are far more reliable, less prone to breaking down in regular driving and sport driving, don't require anywhere near as much maintenance, shift faster in most cases, have better gas mileage in most cases (though this is eroding quickly at this point), don't require a computer interface, don't require programming to shift properly, shift as hard or soft as you like, feel better, and actually require skill.

I feel sorry for the plebes who don't know how to drive them.
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DarkTransient
07/24/18 9:50:41 PM
#5:


KStateKing17 posted...
Upside is that less people know how to drive them so less chances of getting car jacked


^ This, too.
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IfGodCouldDie
07/24/18 9:50:59 PM
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Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.
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jsb0714
07/24/18 9:52:33 PM
#7:


darkjedilink posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
Why? Unless you think it looks kool shifting up and down like youre a race driver around your quiet neighborhood

Automatics are better and safer as you can just concentrate on driving and not forgetting using your turn signal when changing lanes

Manual transmissions are far more reliable, less prone to breaking down in regular driving and sport driving, don't require anywhere near as much maintenance, shift faster in most cases, have better gas mileage in most cases (though this is eroding quickly at this point), don't require a computer interface, don't require programming to shift properly, shift as hard or soft as you like, feel better, and actually require skill.

I feel sorry for the plebes who don't know how to drive them.

Sure, if you actually believe this shit in 2018.
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DarkTransient
07/24/18 9:53:55 PM
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jsb0714 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
Why? Unless you think it looks kool shifting up and down like youre a race driver around your quiet neighborhood

Automatics are better and safer as you can just concentrate on driving and not forgetting using your turn signal when changing lanes

Manual transmissions are far more reliable, less prone to breaking down in regular driving and sport driving, don't require anywhere near as much maintenance, shift faster in most cases, have better gas mileage in most cases (though this is eroding quickly at this point), don't require a computer interface, don't require programming to shift properly, shift as hard or soft as you like, feel better, and actually require skill.

I feel sorry for the plebes who don't know how to drive them.

Sure, if you actually believe this shit in 2018.


Aside from the last line which is more of an opinion than anything else, everything he said is true. He even acknowledged that better mileage is becoming less and less of an advantage with newer models, as autos are catching up.
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electricbugs2
07/24/18 9:55:03 PM
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There's really no point anymore. They removed the manual option from my car (TT) because the paddles just wipe their ass all over the manual.

The only reason I can see getting a manual at this point is if you're a guy who's into classics or JDM's who doesn't have much of a choice. Other than that all modern auto's with paddles spray diarrhea on sticks.
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 9:55:06 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.
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AlecSkorpio
07/24/18 9:55:32 PM
#11:


SaccharineSmile posted...
Why?


Well

1. The Fiesta with a manual was less expensive than the one with an auto.
2. The auto transmissions in Fiestas suck ass, while the manual ones are fine if you know who to drive stick.
3. I enjoy it.
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Smashingpmkns
07/24/18 9:56:56 PM
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I never understood why people bitch about either side. As long as you don't stall at a green light I don't give a fuck.
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IfGodCouldDie
07/24/18 10:43:43 PM
#13:


darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 10:45:13 PM
#14:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?
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IfGodCouldDie
07/24/18 10:46:15 PM
#15:


darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 10:46:54 PM
#16:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.

Literally every automatic transmission has a stick to go down into at least two lower gears, bruh.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/24/18 10:50:07 PM
#17:


The topic creator is obviously angry that he doesnt know how to drive stick and feels better trying to shit on manual transmission.

Kinda sad how ignorant a person can be when they are jealous of other peoples driving abilities or skills.

I drive a CVT and like it but I see no reason at all to insult people who drive stick and do so well driving a manual transmission.
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TomNook20
07/24/18 10:50:38 PM
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IfGodCouldDie
07/24/18 10:51:21 PM
#19:


darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.

Literally every automatic transmission has a stick to go down into at least two lower gears, bruh.

Because dropping into 1/2 from a much higher gear is so great. Especially of you own a car old enough to not actually have a tiptronic transmission, you risk fucking your shit up.
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Muffinz0rz
07/24/18 10:52:10 PM
#20:


You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate
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Tupacrulez
07/24/18 10:53:39 PM
#21:


darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.

Literally every automatic transmission has a stick to go down into at least two lower gears, bruh.


Which is not actually the same due to how a torque converter works compared to how a clutch works.

People who don't know shit about cars arguing about cars is hilarious.
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BlameAnesthesia
07/24/18 10:54:09 PM
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My manual civic si is fun to drive. I really don't care about looks and I absolutely don't care about TC's opinion.
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 10:54:40 PM
#23:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.

Literally every automatic transmission has a stick to go down into at least two lower gears, bruh.

Because dropping into 1/2 from a much higher gear is so great. Especially of you own a car old enough to not actually have a tiptronic transmission, you risk fucking your shit up.

I'm not convinced you've ever driven an actual car.

There isn't an automatic transmission built in the last 75 years that couldn't survive being downshifted into 2nd at 60 miles an hour.

Anyone on an icy road doing 60 is an idiot, so we aren't even talking about that speed anyway.
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darkjedilink
07/24/18 10:55:28 PM
#24:


Tupacrulez posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
darkjedilink posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Manual cars are safer on icy/slippery roads.

I lived in Minnesota for 30 years, and can tell you that's completely bullshit. Your tires have far more to do with safety on icy roads than your transmission.

I drive tractor trailers for a living and drive manual while living in Canada, downshifting is very good for preventing slipping and sliding in situations where you need to slow down. Tires are very important, but being able to down shift and slow down with a more natural feeling will prevent you from sliding as well.

Did you know that you can downshift an automatic transmission, too?

If you have a tiptronic transmission, sure. Most automatics on the road dont have that.

Literally every automatic transmission has a stick to go down into at least two lower gears, bruh.

Which is not actually the same due to how a torque converter works compared to how a clutch works.

People who don't know shit about cars arguing about cars is hilarious.

The operation of a torque converter actually helps my argument.
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Lagfile
07/24/18 10:55:42 PM
#25:


LOL MANUAL CARS

I kind of like when people do this in these topics.
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Tupacrulez
07/24/18 10:56:06 PM
#26:


Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.
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NeoShadowhen
07/24/18 11:02:52 PM
#27:


DarkTransient posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
Upside is that less people know how to drive them so less chances of getting car jacked


^ This, too.


Your car has less chance of being stolen, but carjacking is bad because the piece of shit won't know how to drive it, so guess what. You're a hostage now. This kind of thing happened a lot back when I was living in one of those American cities that drags down the rest of the country.
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UnholyMudcrab
07/24/18 11:03:33 PM
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Tupacrulez
07/24/18 11:05:04 PM
#29:


The operation of a torque converter actually helps my argument.


No it doesn't, as you cannot roll gently off the sprag clutches in a torque converter like you can the friction plate clutch in a manual. The converter will unlock if you are braking (as their lockup engagement is deactivated by a switch tied to the brakes), but if you are not, the converter can stay locked in many models on a downshift (particularly more modern transmission models) to keep excess heat and slippage in check.

Because of this, downshifting can be somewhat harsh and vary the torque to the wheels. This is less pronounced in some models as they will slip the clutches a little to help with the changeover, but it can certainly be very noticeable. Simply chucking a typical auto from the last 30 years from 3rd to 2nd in bad weather can see something as drastic as the drive wheels breaking traction.

Someone half decent at throwing gears however, can revmatch a downshift to match the wheel speed and torque amounts to the wheels, which would take result in a reduction in traction.
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IfGodCouldDie
07/24/18 11:08:27 PM
#30:


darkjedilink posted...
I'm not convinced you've ever driven an actual car.

There isn't an automatic transmission built in the last 75 years that couldn't survive being downshifted into 2nd at 60 miles an hour.

Anyone on an icy road doing 60 is an idiot, so we aren't even talking about that speed anyway.

I dont actually care enough to argue with you. I've been driving for 18 years, driving tractor trailers for 10 and never had an accident, plus I have taken 3 years of auto mechanics in highschool. I'm perfectly comfortable with my knowledge on the subject of driving.
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Muffinz0rz
07/25/18 10:35:13 AM
#31:


Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!
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Giant_Aspirin
07/25/18 10:38:04 AM
#32:


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KStateKing17
07/25/18 10:40:56 AM
#33:


NeoShadowhen posted...
DarkTransient posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
Upside is that less people know how to drive them so less chances of getting car jacked


^ This, too.


Your car has less chance of being stolen, but carjacking is bad because the piece of shit won't know how to drive it, so guess what. You're a hostage now. This kind of thing happened a lot back when I was living in one of those American cities that drags down the rest of the country.

That's what guns and bridges are for.
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Trumpo
07/25/18 10:52:08 AM
#34:


Makes the experience more engaging
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Vindris_SNH
07/25/18 10:52:22 AM
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They're fun.
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Trumpo
07/25/18 10:53:32 AM
#36:


It is also a theft deterrent in the us
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Taharqa_
07/25/18 10:57:33 AM
#37:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


It's not like you have to shift every 5 seconds. Most of the time my hands are on the wheel.
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NeonOctopus
07/25/18 10:57:42 AM
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Muffinz0rz
07/25/18 11:45:53 AM
#39:


Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


It's not like you have to shift every 5 seconds. Most of the time my hands are on the wheel.

Your hands should be on the wheel all the time.
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Taharqa_
07/25/18 11:47:26 AM
#40:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


It's not like you have to shift every 5 seconds. Most of the time my hands are on the wheel.

Your hands should be on the wheel all the time.



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GunmaN1905
07/25/18 11:54:55 AM
#41:


Manaul is cheaper and uses less fuel.
Lower maintenance and better reliability.
Much easier to operate with manual than with auto in narrow spaces and crowded streets.
Better performance (I'm talking about normal, not cars with a lot of power).
I'm left handed so I don't use my right hand for steering, anway. It just gets in the way.
I'm not an American so I know how to drive manual.
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Muffinz0rz
07/25/18 12:07:53 PM
#42:


Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


It's not like you have to shift every 5 seconds. Most of the time my hands are on the wheel.

Your hands should be on the wheel all the time.



Am I wrong?
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Taharqa_
07/25/18 1:41:23 PM
#43:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


It's not like you have to shift every 5 seconds. Most of the time my hands are on the wheel.

Your hands should be on the wheel all the time.



Am I wrong?


Well if you think removing your hand to shift is a problem then yeah. Most people don't drive like a grandma with their hands glued to the wheel at all times anyway.
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DragonGirlYuki
07/25/18 1:58:40 PM
#44:


Manuals are only good these days if you want a more fun driving experience or you want to save money by not getting the automatic option.

Modern automatics have gotten good enough that the advantages of manuals don't hold true anymore.

Also Formula 1 banned CVTs because they were too good.
https://www.racefans.net/2007/05/03/banned-continuously-variable-transmission-cvt/
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Muffinz0rz
07/25/18 2:45:58 PM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Well if you think removing your hand to shift is a problem then yeah. Most people don't drive like a grandma with their hands glued to the wheel at all times anyway.

Then most people are driving more unsafely than they could or should be.
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VectorChaos
07/25/18 2:48:05 PM
#46:


DarkTransient posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
Upside is that less people know how to drive them so less chances of getting car jacked


^ This, too.

I mean, I've read more than one news story where the carjacker can't drive stick so they fucking kill the driver in anger :/
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Tupacrulez
07/25/18 8:39:59 PM
#47:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


"When driving a manual,one hand is on the stick"

This is stated as an absolute. You didn't say "one hand is off the wheel for 2 seconds" or "one hand is on the stick during shifting".

Because you stayed it as an absolute, my saying that you should not rest your hand on the stick does indeed refute your point.

Checkmate again. 2-0. Try again son. I love hat tricks.
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07/26/18 10:57:24 AM
#48:


Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
You need two hands on the wheel at all times to be a safe driver.

When driving manual, one hand is on the stick.

Checkmate


No it shouldn't be, as resting your hand on the stick places load on the shift linkage, which often results in wear on the shift forks as they are pressed into the shift hubs inside the transmission gearbox. The plastic forks pads may wear through and this can result in harsh shifting and misalignment of the forks.

So no. Your hand shouldn't be on the stick except to shift.

Checkmate. Try again son.

Right, so when your hand is on the stick then it's not on the wheel.

You failed to refute my point and still said "checkmate try again."

Sad!


"When driving a manual,one hand is on the stick"

This is stated as an absolute. You didn't say "one hand is off the wheel for 2 seconds" or "one hand is on the stick during shifting".

Because you stayed it as an absolute, my saying that you should not rest your hand on the stick does indeed refute your point.

Checkmate again. 2-0. Try again son. I love hat tricks.

Oh so you're attacking a semantic implication which, as a manual driver, I figure you understood, instead of the core argument?

And you're calling that a win?

Sad, really. I honestly figured it went without saying that obviously your hand is not permanently on the stick at all times while driving. But I guess it did need to be stated.
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Muffinz0rz
07/26/18 11:12:02 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Sad, really. I honestly figured it went without saying that obviously your hand is not permanently on the stick at all times while driving. But I guess it did need to be stated.


What a backpedal...

LOL please, it's a fucking obvious implication. He either

A.) Actually didn't understand, in which case he's a shitty driver for literally having one hand on the stick at all times
or
B.) Understood the implication but didn't have a response to the core argument so decided to attack the implication instead of the argument.

Either way it's an L for him because as a manual driver he should obviously fucking know that the hand isn't on the stick at all times.
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