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Antifar 07/24/18 3:29:43 PM #1: |
1. http://www.people-press.org/2018/07/24/growing-partisan-differences-in-views-of-the-fbi-stark-divide-over-ice/
However, views of ICE are evenly divided. About as many Americans view Immigration and Customs Enforcement favorably (44%) as unfavorably (47%). 2. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1021209776917803013 38% view ICE positively --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 3:33:20 PM #2: |
Is there supposed to be a takeaway here other than "if one political party screams about something enough, people will eventually circle their wagons and form increasingly polarized opinions on the topic?"
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I4NRulez 07/24/18 3:33:51 PM #3: |
Not surprising as they are being portrayed as a modern day gestapo for Trump.
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FLUFFYGERM 07/24/18 3:35:22 PM #4: |
s0nicfan posted...
Is there supposed to be a takeaway here other than "if one political party screams about something enough, people will eventually circle their wagons and form increasingly polarized opinions on the topic?" b-but the got DAMN POLLS!!!! --- Do good. Eat communists. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KILBOTz 07/24/18 3:36:22 PM #5: |
out of curiosity what were the favorability ratings of the gestapo and KGB?
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ledbowman 07/24/18 3:36:40 PM #6: |
Good. Fuck em.
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averagejoel 07/24/18 3:42:28 PM #7: |
I4NRulez posted...
Not surprising as they are being portrayed as a modern day gestapo for Trump. as opposed to...? --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MakoReizei 07/24/18 3:43:40 PM #8: |
how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb?
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Bloodychess 07/24/18 3:44:35 PM #9: |
MakoReizei posted...
how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? Something about facilities Obama built --- To err is human To arr is pirate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 3:45:12 PM #10: |
MakoReizei posted...
how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? Because they kidnapped a bunch of kids? --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 3:45:35 PM #11: |
MakoReizei posted...
how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? Modern politics is doing your best to compare what you don't like to hitler. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Musourenka 07/24/18 3:46:09 PM #12: |
MakoReizei posted...
how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? The whole separating families as policy thing. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 07/24/18 3:47:07 PM #13: |
Musourenka posted...
MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/us/us-long-history-of-separating-families-trnd/index.html So why all the gestapo or kgb talk now? --- To err is human To arr is pirate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MakoReizei 07/24/18 3:47:10 PM #14: |
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I4NRulez 07/24/18 3:48:30 PM #15: |
averagejoel posted...
I4NRulez posted...Not surprising as they are being portrayed as a modern day gestapo for Trump. What they actually should be. A department that enforces immigration laws. ICE has been doing shady things for years. Aside of the recent scandals with kids they've been known to break rights of people and theres tons of sexual abuse allegations from immigrants in ICE custody. MakoReizei posted... how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? They've been doing terrible things for a long time. Even under Obama but now that trump won't shut his mouth ICE is front and center doing shady shit --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 3:49:19 PM #16: |
Bloodychess posted...
Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? Did you even read that? --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 07/24/18 3:51:05 PM #17: |
ledbowman posted...
Bloodychess posted...Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? Of course I did, and I was disappointed to see how they neglected to mention how this affects white immigrants too, but I can only expect so much from cnn --- To err is human To arr is pirate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 3:51:13 PM #18: |
ledbowman posted...
Bloodychess posted...Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? I assume his emphasis was on the "now" part. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 3:54:03 PM #19: |
s0nicfan posted...
ledbowman posted...Bloodychess posted...Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? The emphasis is he compared them to slavers and Operation Wetback. Oops --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 07/24/18 3:55:21 PM #20: |
ledbowman posted...
s0nicfan posted...ledbowman posted...Bloodychess posted...Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? The emphasis is that this happens to literally everyone. --- To err is human To arr is pirate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Musourenka 07/24/18 3:55:24 PM #21: |
Bloodychess posted...
Musourenka posted...MakoReizei posted...how the heck did immigration enforcement get compared to the gestapo or kgb? The article is explaining times of slavery and internment camps, dark periods of American History. That should give you your answer. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iPhone_7 07/24/18 4:09:30 PM #22: |
Indefinite detention for parents & kids, separated from one another.
Courts ordering Trump administration to stop separating, give kids back. Having to use dna tests to try re-uniting families. Theyre not even going to be able to meet the courts deadline. The whole thing is a clusterf**** due to Trumps policy change and ICE as a result has been getting bad press. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 07/24/18 4:34:37 PM #23: |
s0nicfan posted...
Is there supposed to be a takeaway here other than "if one political party screams about something enough, people will eventually circle their wagons and form increasingly polarized opinions on the topic?" That is, in itself, a good takeaway. It shows that people can be persuaded if you make a case for or against something. People who use current polling as an excuse to not take a stand on an issue are misguided. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 07/24/18 4:41:20 PM #24: |
Antifar posted...
s0nicfan posted...Is there supposed to be a takeaway here other than "if one political party screams about something enough, people will eventually circle their wagons and form increasingly polarized opinions on the topic?" Amen. Remember how long it took for Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage? Hell, it took Joe Biden "slipping up" for it to happen. Joe Biden was ahead of Barack Obama on gay marriage. We need leaders who will lead, and this is an excellent demonstration of why. Sometimes, when you attempt to change what is considered possible, it bloody works! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 07/24/18 4:42:19 PM #25: |
open the borders let everyone in
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Slayerblade11 07/24/18 4:42:47 PM #26: |
The the left wing media is painting them as jack booted thugs who laugh maniacally while separating illegals from their kids so it's not surprising
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ledbowman 07/24/18 4:43:10 PM #27: |
AlephZero posted...
open the borders let everyone in I can tell you're here for an honest duscussion. --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 07/24/18 4:45:03 PM #28: |
iPhone_7 posted...
Indefinite detention for parents & kids, separated from one another. Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 4:47:18 PM #29: |
DarkTransient posted...
the seperation was going on before Trump Lie --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 07/24/18 4:59:35 PM #30: |
ledbowman posted...
DarkTransient posted...the seperation was going on before Trump --- To err is human To arr is pirate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 5:00:24 PM #31: |
DarkTransient posted...
Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. Which is something everyone forgets to mention. The separation was happening because you can't put kids in adult prisons. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 5:06:52 PM #32: |
s0nicfan posted...
DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. Mass separation is a Trump policy. Keep trying. --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 5:07:50 PM #33: |
ledbowman posted...
s0nicfan posted...DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. "Zero tolerance" is a trump policy. Mass separation is the result of actually enforcing the laws on the books. There's a difference. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 5:14:46 PM #34: |
s0nicfan posted...
ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. You finally admit it. --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 5:18:48 PM #35: |
ledbowman posted...
s0nicfan posted...ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. You must be confusing me with someone else. My stance on the immigration issue has ALWAYS been that if you take issue with what happens when the laws are enforced, then we should get congress to change them. Having government arbitrarily not enforce laws we don't like is the absolute dumbest way to run a government. I support Trump's shift to requiring the federal government actually enforce our laws, but I also support congress making new laws to change how things are going down, and I think we as a nation have collectively given up on the idea of using our government as it was designed which is causing way more problems than its fixing. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 5:21:36 PM #36: |
s0nicfan posted...
ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. Does anybody still want to argue that mass separation was happening before Trump? Anybody? --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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southcoast09 07/24/18 5:22:16 PM #37: |
Polls also said Hillary Clinton would win in a landslide
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 5:24:43 PM #38: |
ledbowman posted...
s0nicfan posted...ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...ledbowman posted...s0nicfan posted...DarkTransient posted...Nevermind that the seperation was going on before Trump, and was a result of a Supreme Court decision saying keeping the kids together with their parents was a human rights violation. HOLD ON there, chief. You used the phrase "mass separation" first. Dark and I both used the phrase "the separation" because we were talking about what happens at the border to people arrested. What's happening to families isn't anything new because that's how the laws are structured. That is objectively true. You can argue that under Trump it's happening more often, but you CAN'T argue that the policy of separating kids from their parents is something new under Trump because that's objectively not true. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 07/24/18 5:33:20 PM #39: |
s0nicfan posted...
HOLD ON there, chief. You used the phrase "mass separation" first. Dark and I both used the phrase "the separation" because we were talking about what happens at the border to people arrested. What's happening to families isn't anything new because that's how the laws are structured. That is objectively true. You can argue that under Trump it's happening more often, but you CAN'T argue that the policy of separating kids from their parents is something new under Trump because that's objectively not true. It was rare before Trump because it's cruel. Trump made it a boilerplate deterrent. People above me saying separation happened before Trump are clearly trying to say it was the exact same before Trump and that people are only outraged now. --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 07/24/18 5:38:25 PM #40: |
ledbowman posted...
s0nicfan posted...HOLD ON there, chief. You used the phrase "mass separation" first. Dark and I both used the phrase "the separation" because we were talking about what happens at the border to people arrested. What's happening to families isn't anything new because that's how the laws are structured. That is objectively true. You can argue that under Trump it's happening more often, but you CAN'T argue that the policy of separating kids from their parents is something new under Trump because that's objectively not true. Why should our solution to it be to arbitrarily ignore it when we have a perfectly functioning mechanism to legally CHANGE IT in the form of new laws? What's the justification? Would you support Trump's government picking any other laws they don't like and just ignoring them, too? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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