Current Events > Would you rather be Batman or The Joker?

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Assuming that you have both the mental and physical capabilities to be either of them which life would you rather live?
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Batman probably
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Batman. Hang up my cape and drown in hookers.
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Joker gets Harley Quinn.
Batman gets all of the women in the series that are worth banging.

Let me th- Batman.

Dyinglegacy posted...

Batman. Hang up my cape and drown in hookers.

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Muffinz0rz posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Batman. Hang up my cape and drown in hookers.

Rich playboy in prime physical condition all the way.
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Who want want to be joker over billionaire Batman?
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Just to play devil's advocate, Batman is depressed 100% of the time. Joker is at least in a good mood 100% of the time.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Just to play devil's advocate, Batman is depressed 100% of the time. Joker is at least in a good mood 100% of the time.

That's because of shitty edgelord writing.

lol I almost responded and then remembered Skye Renyolds thinks that Batman can't be sad because he's rich and good looking.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Just to play devil's advocate, Batman is depressed 100% of the time. Joker is at least in a good mood 100% of the time.

That's because of shitty edgelord writing.

All the money in the world doesn't make up for watching your parents get murdered in front of you as a child
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There are quite a few villains I sympathize with more than the heroes. The joker is not one of them.
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"Muh parents"

Yes, because a tragedy justifies throwing your life away when you are otherwise the wealthiest, smartest, strongest, best looking, most gifted, most unbeatable person in the world. Yes, that defines him. Not being practically being a literal god: being an orphan.

This is why I'm very selective about which interpretations of Batman I like. If he's willing to sit and sulk for all of his days despite being gifted to a preposterous degree, then fuck him and his fans. But if he's written to be a character who tries to move on from that, whether fully successful or not, then I'm willing to meet the writers halfway and enjoy the character for his merits.

But this edgelord "dark knight returns" bullshit has never cut it with me and never shall. I hated Batman Begins. I hated Batman Beyond and the last season of Batman, The Animated Series. I hate any interpretation of the character where he's content to feel sorry for himself. He has no right to be so miserable.

lol skye reynolds and his terrible opinions
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Batman, because then I'll get to hang out with Wally West all day.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

"Muh parents"

Yes, because a tragedy justifies throwing your life away when you are otherwise the wealthiest, smartest, strongest, best looking, most gifted, most unbeatable person in the world. Yes, that defines him. Not being practically being a literal god: being an orphan.

This is why I'm very selective about which interpretations of Batman I like. If he's willing to sit and sulk for all of his days despite being gifted to a preposterous degree, then fuck him and his fans. But if he's written to be a character who tries to move on from that, whether fully successful or not, then I'm willing to meet the writers halfway and enjoy the character for his merits.

But this edgelord "dark knight returns" bullshit has never cut it with me and never shall. I hated Batman Begins. I hated Batman Beyond and the last season of Batman, The Animated Series. I hate any interpretation of the character where he's content to feel sorry for himself. He has no right to be so miserable.

I'm not sure how you like any interpretation of Batman. He became incredibly strong and smart because of his drive to be Batman. Which occurs after being orphaned as a child. This is universal across all depictions.
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Darmik posted...

I'm not sure how you like any interpretation of Batman. He became incredibly strong and smart because of his drive to be Batman. Which occurs after being orphaned as a child. This is universal across all depictions.

Being inspired in response to a tragedy is not the same as being defined by tragedy.

Batman isn't a story about how money doesn't bring happiness. Bruce Wayne isn't an Ebenezer Scrooge or a Ricard Cory. He's Howard Hughes, Bruce Lee, Sherlock Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates, Robert Hutchings Goddard, and Clark Gable rolled into one.

He has every conceivable gift and his writers make it clear that he's never second best in any field. Even when confronted with a man who's meant to be a superior being from space, he still never takes a backseat to anyone.

And what's his identity in most modern adaptations? He's a perpetual victim reliving that "one bad day" as the Joker would put it.

pegusus123456 posted...

Just to play devil's advocate, Batman is depressed 100% of the time. Joker is at least in a good mood 100% of the time.

This is what I went by
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Being inspired in response to a tragedy is not the same as being defined by tragedy.

And being inspired to dress as a bat and fight criminals is crazy.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Batman isn't a story about how money doesn't bring happiness. Bruce Wayne isn't an Ebenezer Scrooge or a Ricard Cory. He's Howard Hughes, Bruce Lee, Sherlock Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates, Robert Hutchings Goddard, and Clark Gable rolled into one.

Howard Hughes was an eccentric reclusive who spent 4 months pissing into bottles so that's a funny one to bring up. Bruce Wayne's wealth isn't usually the focus of his story. It's more like his background and resource.

Also Batman is basically a modern interpretation of Zorro if you really want to be pedantic about it.

Skye Reynolds posted...

He has every conceivable gift and his writers make it clear that he's never second best in any field. Even when confronted with a man who's meant to be a superior being from space, he still never takes a backseat to anyone.

What does that have to do with happiness?

Skye Reynolds posted...

And what's his identity in most modern adaptations? He's a perpetual victim reliving that "one bad day" as the Joker would put it.

Yes. Because he's broken deep down. Plenty of successful, rich people are.

Most Batman characters are people who have been broken by one bad day too. Joker included. It's kind of a theme in the franchise.
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id be Leto Joker and be a thug IRL

jk im already a thug bitch, bronx represent X dont fuck with us you hear
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Darmik posted...

Also Batman is basically a modern interpretation of Zorro if you really want to be pedantic about it.

Zorro is the credited inspiration to take away from the fact that Batman started out as a carbon copy of the Shadow. They're both rich, they both win all of their fights, and they both wear black. That's about where the similarities end.

For the record, I'd much rather be Zorro than Batman. He tends to have a lot more fun and he's aware that the opposite sex exists.

What does that have to do with happiness?

A person succeeds at everything they do and is unhappy? I don't buy that.

Yes. Because he's broken deep down. Plenty of successful, rich people are.

And my point in the last post was that Batman is gifted in so many ways that his wealth seems like a minor attribute.

Most Batman characters are people who have been broken by one bad day too. Joker included. It's kind of a theme in the franchise.

A series where the villain is right. Like I said, shitty edgelord writing.

Dyinglegacy posted...

Batman. Hang up my cape and drown in hookers.

Batman. use my billions of dollars to fund some adequate mental health care in the city instead of dressing up like a bat and beating up mentally ill people at night
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it's possible that the man Joker used to be would be horrified at what he is now. there was a story once, but I don't know if it's canon....where Joker is cured of his insanity for a moment. and he realizes all the things he has done, and that drives him insane again. at least according to that story, Joker isn't supposed to be evil, and it's all cause of his insanity

calling the insane asylum for 7 of you people
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Skye Reynolds posted...

A person succeeds at everything they do and is unhappy? I don't buy that.

Several successful and seemingly happy celebrities have committed suicide or are addicted to drugs. Not sure what's so hard to believe about it.

Batman doesn't succeed at everything anyway. He has lost several people close to him because of his vigilante crusade. Gotham keeps getting worse. His biggest threat exists to mess with him and test his boundaries. He struggles making connections with people and tends to push them away. Most people think he's an asshole. He doesn't overall balance his life well.

Skye Reynolds posted...

A series where the villain is right. Like I said, shitty edgelord writing.

Considering Batman and Gordon don't go murder people after bad days no they aren't.
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Joker
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And lol at the point being lost as usual on Skye.
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What point is there? Something bad happened to a god among men and all of his days are suffering because of it. It's pure nihilism without rhyme or reason.

There's no real life counterpart to Batman. He doesn't excel in one or two areas: he excels at everything. Except making friends or letting go of his past. Because his life is a constant swirling mess of emotional anguish. Whatever.

Skye Reynolds posted...

What point is there? Something bad happened to a god among men and all of his days are suffering because of it. It's pure nihilism without rhyme or reason.

There's no real life counterpart to Batman. He doesn't excel in one or two areas: he excels at everything. Except making friends or letting go of his past. Because his life is a constant swirling mess of emotional anguish. Whatever.

Dude it's a superhero comic book series. Of course there's no real life counter-part to Batman.

He's also not the only guy in that world who excels at almost everything they do.
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Stank hobo who has a lot of hired guns vs Rock bodied billionaire who will beat up all the hired guns no matter what

This ain't hard :V
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Darmik posted...

Dude it's a superhero comic book series. Of course there's no real life counter-part to Batman.

That's the inherent problem with trying to bring drama to comics. You can't be dramatic human character if you're inhumanly perfect.

Batman without question or hesitation.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Darmik posted...

Dude it's a superhero comic book series. Of course there's no real life counter-part to Batman.

That's the inherent problem with trying to bring drama to comics. You can't be dramatic human character if you're inhumanly perfect.

That's why the stories are always reinterpreted and changed to fit what they're going for. Nolan for example went for a more grounded version.
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Darmik posted...

That's why the stories are always reinterpreted and changed to fit what they're going for. Nolan for example went for a more grounded version.

While I respect what it accomplished, I'd rather have an imaginative superhero world than a crime drama which happens to star Batman. In general though, yeah, the movies do a better job of making them human than what the comics do.

averagejoel posted...

Batman. use my billions of dollars to fund some adequate mental health care in the city instead of dressing up like a bat and beating up mentally ill people at night

doesn't he do both?
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Darmik posted...

That's why the stories are always reinterpreted and changed to fit what they're going for. Nolan for example went for a more grounded version.

While I respect what it accomplished, I'd rather have an imaginative superhero world than a crime drama which happens to star Batman. In general though, yeah, the movies do a better job of making them human than what the comics do.

The cool thing about Batman is he can be either of those. He can also be a light-hearted boy scout. That's why he has lasted this long.

Sometimes he is portrayed as the perfect guy who can accomplish anything but that's not really what happens in most of his stories. That generally happens when they attempt to buff him up for crossovers. There are several people who fight better and are smarter than Bruce. He's the worlds greatest detective and a great tactician which is how he usually comes out on top.

I don't see why that means he should be some happy guy. I think it would be more odd if he was some cheery guy who loved his life.
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