Current Events > Why is socialism so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated?

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Because its socialism.

But the uneducated wouldnt know what it is anyway.
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are you hype for 8.0 on tuesday
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Why are so many people who have never and will never have a uterus obsessed with banning abortions?

Why are so many people who have never and will never harass women so bothered by the #metoo campaign?
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Actually... It seems like most of them are educated, but with useless degrees.
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gunplagirl posted...

Why are so many people who have never and will never

You can say that literally about _____ anything.
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Excellent question. The reason is a combination of laziness and entitlement.

Many of these people are what I like to call professional college students. Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Basically, that was a main part of Bernies plan: forgive the debts that I racked up. I feel that somebody else should have to pay, rather than me.

Some of them are lazy. They think that, for whatever reason, socialism means they can sit on their asses playing video games, and just receive a magical check from the government. Dont worry, though, everybody gets the same thing!

Basically, its a bunch of people who feel like they should be PAID by the government to live a bohemian often deviant lifestyle.

What they dont consider is the how aspect of the equation. Some of these people labor under the delusion that we can just print money whenever we want, without any negative effects on the economy. Most people who support socialism dont have a solid foundation of the government, as if they didnt have a highschool civics class.

Bernie supporters:

Who exactly was supposed to pick up the tab when you guys bailed on your college loans? Seriously, I want to know.
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gunplagirl posted...

Why are so many people who have never and will never have a uterus obsessed with banning abortions?

Why are people who will never fire a gun and will likely never be in harms way so obsessed with banning them?
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Why is socialism so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated?

You must love socialism then.
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DavidWong posted...

are you hype for 8.0 on tuesday

No :/ i didn't get the mount and I'm only 1/36 for mage tower.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Why is socialism so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated?

You must love socialism then.

I hope you didnt hurt yourself coming up with that one.
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southcoast09 posted...

Excellent question. The reason is a combination of laziness and entitlement.

Many of these people are what I like to call ?professional college students.? They?ve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Basically, that was a main part of Bernie?s plan: ?forgive the debts that I racked up. I feel that somebody else should have to pay, rather than me.?

Some of them are lazy. They think that, for whatever reason, socialism means they can sit on their asses playing video games, and just receive a magical check from the government. Don?t worry, though, everybody gets the same thing!

Basically, it?s a bunch of people who feel like they should be PAID by the government to live a bohemian ? often deviant ? lifestyle.

What they don?t consider is the ?how? aspect of the equation. Some of these people labor under the delusion that we can just print money whenever we want, without any negative effects on the economy. Most people who support socialism don?t have a solid foundation of the government, as if they didn?t have a highschool civics class.

Bernie supporters:

Who exactly was supposed to pick up the tab when you guys bailed on your college loans? Seriously, I want to know.

This entire quote needs to be on billboards all across the country.
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southcoast09 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Why is socialism so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated?

You must love socialism then.

I hope you didnt hurt yourself coming up with that one.

Thinking doesn't cause me any pain like it does for you.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

DavidWong posted...

are you hype for 8.0 on tuesday

No :/ i didn't get the mount and I'm only 1/36 for mage tower.

I missed the mount too but I'm okay, I literally never used the Grove Warden lol. It'll take a Mythic mount for me to replace Invincible, I think.

I managed to finally get my Rogue mage tower yesterday. Took me ilvl952 and the 146 trait weapon to do it, lol. So I'm 2/36.

I think it's still up til BFA though, so we have another month
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DavidWong posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

DavidWong posted...

are you hype for 8.0 on tuesday

No :/ i didn't get the mount and I'm only 1/36 for mage tower.

I missed the mount too but I'm okay, I literally never used the Grove Warden lol. It'll take a Mythic mount for me to replace Invincible, I think.

I managed to finally get my Rogue mage tower yesterday. Took me ilvl952 and the 146 trait weapon to do it, lol. So I'm 2/36.

I think it's still up til BFA though, so we have another month

Oh that'd be cool. I really wanted the prot pally one because I insta 110'd one and managed to complete the class hall and get the mount. Now I just need to get a high iLvl.
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One thing that needs to be changed in the United States, and the western world in general, is the narrative that capitalism is somehow bad.

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars. Its why we choose our own clothes in the morning and decide how much money to save for a vacation.

Capitalism is the reason that we are communicating, right now. Its the reason that our people have the freedom to work hard and save money for the next generation. Its the reason that we can motivate ourselves to set goals, which causes a nation to give 120%. Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

Thats why the United States of America is the best country on the entire planet.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

DavidWong posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

DavidWong posted...

are you hype for 8.0 on tuesday

No :/ i didn't get the mount and I'm only 1/36 for mage tower.

I missed the mount too but I'm okay, I literally never used the Grove Warden lol. It'll take a Mythic mount for me to replace Invincible, I think.

I managed to finally get my Rogue mage tower yesterday. Took me ilvl952 and the 146 trait weapon to do it, lol. So I'm 2/36.

I think it's still up til BFA though, so we have another month

Oh that'd be cool. I really wanted the prot pally one because I insta 110'd one and managed to complete the class hall and get the mount. Now I just need to get a high iLvl.

Try and tag along to a Friendship Birb or Perky Pug run to get carried through Heroic Antorus and grab some gear that way.

Apologies for hijacking your thread here btw
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southcoast09 posted...

Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

80% is too high.

08% is the more realistic answer.
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> whines about the "uneducated"

> cannot spell "prevalent"

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Excellent question. The reason is a combination of laziness and entitlement.

Many of these people are what I like to call ?professional college students.? They?ve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Basically, that was a main part of Bernie?s plan: ?forgive the debts that I racked up. I feel that somebody else should have to pay, rather than me.?

Some of them are lazy. They think that, for whatever reason, socialism means they can sit on their asses playing video games, and just receive a magical check from the government. Don?t worry, though, everybody gets the same thing!

Basically, it?s a bunch of people who feel like they should be PAID by the government to live a bohemian ? often deviant ? lifestyle.

What they don?t consider is the ?how? aspect of the equation. Some of these people labor under the delusion that we can just print money whenever we want, without any negative effects on the economy. Most people who support socialism don?t have a solid foundation of the government, as if they didn?t have a highschool civics class.

Bernie supporters:

Who exactly was supposed to pick up the tab when you guys bailed on your college loans? Seriously, I want to know.

This entire quote needs to be on billboards all across the country.

Thanks, fam. There are just some days that I get burned up by these people. I dont think theyre bad, but they talk about stuff thats just not feasible. Bernie Sanders ran a free shit campaign, which always gets attention. You know who else does the free everything; anything goes! campaign approach? Thcandidates for elementary school class president.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Why are so many people who have never and will never have a uterus obsessed with banning abortions?

Why are people who will never fire a gun and will likely never be in harms way so obsessed with banning them?

Guns are necessary to ensure that minority groups have some way of resisting a fascist state. I want sensible gun control so that we can charge and punish idiots who leave their guns accessible to kids and the kids use them to shoot up a school. Also broad bans on giving guns to anyone who is guilty of a domestic altercation as that and violence against women in general are the two most common things shared amongst people who later commit mass killings or kill their partners.

No clue why you'd think I want to ban guns, I just want access restricted
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Who exactly was supposed to pick up the tab when you guys bailed on your college loans? Seriously, I want to know.

Issue I find here is why a college education costs as much as it does. Have much the same issue with medical costs.

Fun fact: Many hospitals will discount a bill upwards of 50-70% if you dont have insurance. Then, if it goes into collections, they further authorize another 50-70% reduction of the remaining total. Really calls into question why they charged so much to begin with doesnt it?

Sure, some of this is tax breaks and other loopholes that keep the hospital in the green as far as the debt goes, but even so. And mind you this when the debt isnt even being sold off.

I imagine college costs are more or less the same. Extremely inflated disproportionate to the services actually rendered.
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Let me sum up the debate about capitalism and democracy vs socialism and communism:

Democracy/Capitalism:

Oh, gosh, Im getting fat! Id better lay off the snacks!

Socialism/Communism:

*guy with visible ribs is eating grass*

We dont know the definition of hunger and we essentially want for nothing, when compared to others. One nation, one image, one mind. No thank.
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gunplagirl posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Why are so many people who have never and will never have a uterus obsessed with banning abortions?

Why are people who will never fire a gun and will likely never be in harms way so obsessed with banning them?

Guns are necessary to ensure that minority groups have some way of resisting a fascist state. I want sensible gun control so that we can charge and punish idiots who leave their guns accessible to kids and the kids use them to shoot up a school. Also broad bans on giving guns to anyone who is guilty of a domestic altercation as that and violence against women in general are the two most common things shared amongst people who later commit mass killings or kill their partners.

No clue why you'd think I want to ban guns, I just want access restricted

So, youre basically saying that white men should not be allowed to own guns, but everybody should? You didnt have to dance around the issue if thats how you feel.
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Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Nordic/Scandinavian citizens get higher education for free. Would you call them entitled?

southcoast09 posted...

One thing that needs to be changed in the United States, and the western world in general, is the narrative that capitalism is somehow bad.

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars. Its why we choose our own clothes in the morning and decide how much money to save for a vacation.

Capitalism is the reason that we are communicating, right now. Its the reason that our people have the freedom to work hard and save money for the next generation. Its the reason that we can motivate ourselves to set goals, which causes a nation to give 120%. Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

Thats why the United States of America is the best country on the entire planet.

I mean if you want to ignore that technology was improved for improving society or accomplishing feats like printing press or all those computer improvements for the space race.

And it makes assumptions about socialism that are genuinely false like the lack of incentive to work when clearly people worked hard prior to the advent of capitalism.

And it ignores that most people in america literally cannot afford to take their vacation days unless they're paid days off.

And it says america is the greatest nation on the planet when we are only best in military spending and wealth inequality. We lose by at least a dozen spots in healthcare, combating homelessness, combating hunger, education, equal rights for (minorities, women, lgbtq).
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southcoast09 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Why are so many people who have never and will never have a uterus obsessed with banning abortions?

Why are people who will never fire a gun and will likely never be in harms way so obsessed with banning them?

Guns are necessary to ensure that minority groups have some way of resisting a fascist state. I want sensible gun control so that we can charge and punish idiots who leave their guns accessible to kids and the kids use them to shoot up a school. Also broad bans on giving guns to anyone who is guilty of a domestic altercation as that and violence against women in general are the two most common things shared amongst people who later commit mass killings or kill their partners.

No clue why you'd think I want to ban guns, I just want access restricted

So, youre basically saying that white men should not be allowed to own guns, but everybody should? You didnt have to dance around the issue if thats how you feel.

White men need not worry about being ethnically purged, if that's what you're getting at.
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gunplagirl posted...

Also broad bans on giving guns to anyone who is guilty of a domestic altercation as that and violence against women in general are the two most common things shared amongst people who later commit mass killings or kill their partners.

We do that already in the database checks.

If you are "CONVICTED" of a felony offense for violence / domestic violence.

Then you can't buy FireArms.

That's been a thing for a very long time.

Now if you refuse to prosecute your Significant Other for "Domestic Violence"; that's a completely separate topic where we need to convince the victim to "PROSECUTE" and "CHARGE" them with a "DV" offense.
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gunplagirl posted...

we can charge and punish idiots who leave their guns accessible to kids and the kids use them to shoot up a school.

You can do that already.

Idiots who's kids hurt others are fiscally responsible for the damage caused by their kids.

They'd be effectively bankrupted given the damages their kids cause.
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Metro2 posted...

Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Nordic/Scandinavian citizens get higher education for free. Would you call them entitled?

For that matter, they actually have it so their college education is worth something and not merely an artificial requirement for a minimum wage job. I've seen at least a dozen $11-12 bachelors required job listings this week when I helped a friend who needs to quit their job because the new management is trying to pull that "everyone needs to sign new contracts with us and we might pay you less than you were before" bs. And the new management, in bidding for control of the company, also happened to lose in underbidding a major contract for the company. :/
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gunplagirl posted...

For that matter, they actually have it so their college education is worth something and not merely an artificial requirement for a minimum wage job. I've seen at least a dozen $11-12 bachelors required job listings this week when I helped a friend who needs to quit their job because the new management is trying to pull that "everyone needs to sign new contracts with us and we might pay you less than you were before" bs. And the new management, in bidding for control of the company, also happened to lose in underbidding a major contract for the company. :/

That company is going to sink like a rock if it keeps going about business like that.
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Metro2 posted...

Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Nordic/Scandinavian citizens get higher education for free. Would you call them entitled?

Its not comparable. The people took loans and wanted to default. Free college isnt the question, because they never said, free college after everybody pays what they owe. The issue is who gets screwed over? Does the government print some money to give to the agencies who granted the student loans or do the banks and lending agencies pick up the bill for a bunch of liberal arts degrees?
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

we can charge and punish idiots who leave their guns accessible to kids and the kids use them to shoot up a school.

You can do that already.

Idiots who's kids hurt others are fiscally responsible for the damage caused by their kids.

They'd be effectively bankrupted given the damages their kids cause.

That's not criminal liability, that's civil liability.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Also broad bans on giving guns to anyone who is guilty of a domestic altercation as that and violence against women in general are the two most common things shared amongst people who later commit mass killings or kill their partners.

We do that already in the database checks.

If you are "CONVICTED" of a felony offense for violence / domestic violence.

Then you can't buy FireArms.

That's been a thing for a very long time.

Now if you refuse to prosecute your Significant Other for "Domestic Violence"; that's a completely separate topic where we need to convince the victim to "PROSECUTE" and "CHARGE" them with a "DV" offense.

*laughs* the current system of which you speak is not even enforced and failure to enforce it garners a lesser fine than a convenience store clerk selling a minor cigarettes or alcohol. And by your own admission it's only for felonious offenses, it completely disregards misdemeanors and oftentimes domestic cases devolve into he said she said without a sufficient log of injuries and altercations by the victim.
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No one seriously believes that southcoast wrote that whole post on his phone in 8 minutes do they? This whole topic is an obvious set up for a circlejerk lmfao.
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southcoast09 posted...

Does the government print some money to give to the agencies who granted the student loans or do the banks and lending agencies pick up the bill for a bunch of liberal arts degrees?

That's why governments should never ever be in the business of funding ANY liberal arts degrees.

Unless it has a practical job application that has a significant or important job market today, it shouldn't be funded.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

For that matter, they actually have it so their college education is worth something and not merely an artificial requirement for a minimum wage job. I've seen at least a dozen $11-12 bachelors required job listings this week when I helped a friend who needs to quit their job because the new management is trying to pull that "everyone needs to sign new contracts with us and we might pay you less than you were before" bs. And the new management, in bidding for control of the company, also happened to lose in underbidding a major contract for the company. :/

That company is going to sink like a rock if it keeps going about business like that.

It's some sort of engineering firm so it is probably even worse than what I've been told.
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Actually, liberal arts is extremely useful for game design and film. It encompasses a lot of areas, including history and music.
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gunplagirl posted...

That's not criminal liability, that's civil liability.

If the parents didn't commit the crime, they shouldn't be doing the time.

Forcing a criminal punishment on somebody who didn't do the crime is wrong.

Period.

If you have a shitty child who turns out to be a sociopath, you really have to look in the mirror as a parent and ask yourself, "Where did we go wrong in raising ___".
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Go look up "Free Shit Army" - but try to stay away from the blatantly racist sites that cover it.

southcoast09 posted...

Metro2 posted...

Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Nordic/Scandinavian citizens get higher education for free. Would you call them entitled?

Its not comparable. The people took loans and wanted to default. Free college isnt the question, because they never said, free college after everybody pays what they owe. The issue is who gets screwed over? Does the government print some money to give to the agencies who granted the student loans or do the banks and lending agencies pick up the bill for a bunch of liberal arts degrees?

You mean the predatory companies that work through the government and make it so even if you pay ahead on your loan every month, you'll probably be on the hook for 10+ years and pay 230% what you originally took out?

It's one of the most profitable industries in our country and it's only really an industry in our country for a reason. It's also related to why universities are raising tuition prices without paying professors more or improving student services. There's also how many millions of accounts in default for how many trillions of dollars yet the businesses can remain operating?
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It seems like it's more popular with college-educated liberals actually.
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gunplagirl posted...

*laughs* the current system of which you speak is not even enforced and failure to enforce it garners a lesser fine than a convenience store clerk selling a minor cigarettes or alcohol. And by your own admission it's only for felonious offenses, it completely disregards misdemeanors and oftentimes domestic cases devolve into he said she said without a sufficient log of injuries and altercations by the victim.

Maybe you should ACTUALLY ENFORCE the frigging laws?!?!

Novel Concept, I know.

Maybe because misdemeanors exist for a reason.

It gives people a chance to fix themselves before they go down a wrong path.

Not everybody goes dark side IRL.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Go look up "Free Shit Army" - but try to stay away from the blatantly racist sites that cover it.

You're asking for the impossible.
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gunplagirl posted...

You mean the predatory companies that work through the government and make it so even if you pay ahead on your loan every month, you'll probably be on the hook for 10+ years and pay 230% what you originally took out?

It's one of the most profitable industries in our country and it's only really an industry in our country for a reason. It's also related to why universities are raising tuition prices without paying professors more or improving student services. There's also how many millions of accounts in default for how many trillions of dollars yet the businesses can remain operating?

That's why you need ethical regulation / legislation for all business industries.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That's not criminal liability, that's civil liability.

If the parents didn't commit the crime, they shouldn't be doing the time.

Forcing a criminal punishment on somebody who didn't do the crime is wrong.

Period.

If you have a shitty child who turns out to be a sociopath, you really have to look in the mirror as a parent and ask yourself, "Where did we go wrong in raising ___".

What's your opinion on that one law in some states, it's like

Johnny lends Ted his car so Ted can pick up some yay from San Fierro. However, in the process of picking up the yay, Ted also hits and kills a pedestrian.

In several states, Johnny would be equally responsible for the pedestrian death as Ted.

I can't remember the name of the law but it's some sort of accomplice one.
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gunplagirl posted...

southcoast09 posted...

One thing that needs to be changed in the United States, and the western world in general, is the narrative that capitalism is somehow bad.

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars. Its why we choose our own clothes in the morning and decide how much money to save for a vacation.

Capitalism is the reason that we are communicating, right now. Its the reason that our people have the freedom to work hard and save money for the next generation. Its the reason that we can motivate ourselves to set goals, which causes a nation to give 120%. Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

Thats why the United States of America is the best country on the entire planet.

I mean if you want to ignore that technology was improved for improving society or accomplishing feats like printing press or all those computer improvements for the space race.

And it makes assumptions about socialism that are genuinely false like the lack of incentive to work when clearly people worked hard prior to the advent of capitalism.

And it ignores that most people in america literally cannot afford to take their vacation days unless they're paid days off.

And it says america is the greatest nation on the planet when we are only best in military spending and wealth inequality. We lose by at least a dozen spots in healthcare, combating homelessness, combating hunger, education, equal rights for (minorities, women, lgbtq).

Our healthcare truly is horrible, but only thanks to the obama administration trying their damndest to instill socialism. You actually just made an excellent point for me. Our healthcare system is a shining example of why the socialist approach literally doesnt work for anything in our society.

Homelessness is not something that greatly concerns me. Im sorry that it sounds harsh, but the reality is that the people who choose to sleep on the streets are doing so because they are hiding. They dont want to go to the shelters because they want to see everybodys ID. Our homeless population has become a homeless culture and it invites transients. Drifters.

Yeah, I honestly have no compassion for them. Heres a sobering fact: financial trouble is not usually what puts people on the street. I know Hoth knows what I mean. Many of them are violent criminals who are just hopping from city to city.

The best friend I ever had was raped and murdered by a transient. Every time I see these people, sets me off. I really wish the local cops would arrest them when people call. When I see somebody sleeping in public in daylight, it makes me want to shake them awake. These people make $250-300/hr here. The police regularly say so.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Topic.

Meh.

As an actual homeless person, i voice my agreement with @southcoast09

Most homeless are worthless garbage people.
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gunplagirl posted...

What's your opinion on that one law in some states, it's like

Johnny lends Ted his car so Ted can pick up some yay from San Fierro. However, in the process of picking up the yay, Ted also hits and kills a pedestrian.

In several states, Johnny would be equally responsible for the pedestrian death as Ted.

I can't remember the name of the law but it's some sort of accomplice one.

If "Johnny" didn't hit ___ pedestrian, he shouldn't be responsible.

Why should "Johnny" be held responsible for Ted's Dumb Fatal Screw-up?

I think the law needs to be amended.

If "Johnny" lent his car to "Ted" and it gets messed up, if "Ted" wasn't on the insurance, then "Johnny" shouldn't be covered for that accident, ergo "Johnny" has to fix his car out of pocket.

As far as "Ted" is concerned, he's up for Negligent Vehicular Manslaughter.
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