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Antifar 07/15/18 1:47:10 PM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/15/israel-turmoil-bill-allowing-jews-arabs-segregated Israel is in the throes of political upheaval as the countrys ruling party seeks to pass legislation that could allow for Jewish-only communities, which critics have condemned as the end of a democratic state. For the past half-decade, politicians have been wrangling over the details of the bill that holds constitution-like status and that Benjamin Netanyahu wants passed this month. The proposed legislation would allow the state to authorise a community composed of people having the same faith and nationality to maintain the exclusive character of that community. In its current state, the draft would also permit Jewish religious law to be implemented in certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language. In the Israeli democracy, we will continue to protect the rights of both the individual and the group, this is guaranteed. But the majority have rights too, and the majority rules, the Israeli prime minister said this week. A vote on the bill is expected next week, although a final draft has yet to be agreed on. The legislation has been compared to South African apartheid by Israeli parliamentarians, and several thousand Israelis protested in Tel Aviv on Saturday. The Middle Eastern country sees itself as both a democratic and a Jewish state, saying its legal system protects the rights of Arabs, who make up more than a fifth of the population, and other minorities. However, the Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people bill would enshrine the countrys Jewish national and religious character into law. Our main concern is that it is changing the nature of the state and it changes the balance of Israel as a nation state, said Amir Fuchs, the head of the defending democratic values programme at the Israel Democracy Institute. You can be a nation state and still be a democracy as long as you dont discriminate, said Fuchs. That the state is allowed to create villages that will separate on the basis of race or religion or nationality this is outrageous. The purpose of the bill, he said, was to change the balance, to make us more of a nation state, more of a Jewish state, and less of a democracy. There is no other way to put it. And this is the biggest problem. Netanyahu has lashed out at domestic and international critics, ordering the foreign ministry to reprimand the EU envoy Emanuele Giaufret after he was reported as saying the bill was discriminatory. Both Israels attorney general and president, who holds a symbolic role, also opposed details of the bill. The president, Reuven Rivlin, said it would harm the Jewish people worldwide and even be used as a weapon by our enemies. The segregation clause, he said, could also allow towns that exclude Jews of Middle Eastern origin who have been historically sidelined or homosexuals. Legislator Miki Zohar, from the prime ministers Likud party, said: Unfortunately, President Rivlin has lost it and had forgotten his DNA. Many Israeli neighbourhoods and towns are already effectively segregated, with residents either vastly Jewish or Arab. In many places, it is tough for an Arab to move in, although segregation is not legal. Writing in the progressive-leaning Haaretz newspaper, Mordechai Kremnitzer, from the faculty of law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the bill would remove the mask so as to reveal the ugly face of ultranationalist Israel in all its repugnance. The debate has also opened a rift with the Jewish diaspora, with fears among more liberal American Jewish groups that it would prioritise Orthodox communities over other denominations. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905120603] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/15/israel-turmoil-bill-allowing-jews-arabs-segregated <quote>Israel is in the throes of political upheaval as the countrys ruling party seeks to pass legislation that could allow for Jewish-only communities, which critics have condemned as the end of a democratic state. For the past half-decade, politicians have been wrangling over the details of the bill that holds constitution-like status and that Benjamin Netanyahu wants passed this month. The proposed legislation would allow the state to authorise a community composed of people having the same faith and nationality to maintain the exclusive character of that community. In its current state, the draft would also permit Jewish religious law to be implemented in certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language. In the Israeli democracy, we will continue to protect the rights of both the individual and the group, this is guaranteed. But the majority have rights too, and the majority rules, the Israeli prime minister said this week. A vote on the bill is expected next week, although a final draft has yet to be agreed on. The legislation has been compared to South African apartheid by Israeli parliamentarians, and several thousand Israelis protested in Tel Aviv on Saturday. The Middle Eastern country sees itself as both a democratic and a Jewish state, saying its legal system protects the rights of Arabs, who make up more than a fifth of the population, and other minorities. However, the Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people bill would enshrine the countrys Jewish national and religious character into law. Our main concern is that it is changing the nature of the state and it changes the balance of Israel as a nation state, said Amir Fuchs, the head of the defending democratic values programme at the Israel Democracy Institute. You can be a nation state and still be a democracy as long as you dont discriminate, said Fuchs. That the state is allowed to create villages that will separate on the basis of race or religion or nationality this is outrageous. The purpose of the bill, he said, was to change the balance, to make us more of a nation state, more of a Jewish state, and less of a democracy. There is no other way to put it. And this is the biggest problem. Netanyahu has lashed out at domestic and international critics, ordering the foreign ministry to reprimand the EU envoy Emanuele Giaufret after he was reported as saying the bill was discriminatory. Both Israels attorney general and president, who holds a symbolic role, also opposed details of the bill. The president, Reuven Rivlin, said it would harm the Jewish people worldwide and even be used as a weapon by our enemies. The segregation clause, he said, could also allow towns that exclude Jews of Middle Eastern origin who have been historically sidelined or homosexuals. Legislator Miki Zohar, from the prime ministers Likud party, said: Unfortunately, President Rivlin has lost it and had forgotten his DNA. Many Israeli neighbourhoods and towns are already effectively segregated, with residents either vastly Jewish or Arab. In many places, it is tough for an Arab to move in, although segregation is not legal. Writing in the progressive-leaning Haaretz newspaper, Mordechai Kremnitzer, from the faculty of law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the bill would remove the mask so as to reveal the ugly face of ultranationalist Israel in all its repugnance. The debate has also opened a rift with the Jewish diaspora, with fears among more liberal American Jewish groups that it would prioritise Orthodox communities over other denominations.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 1:47:50 PM #2:	But remember guys anyone who doesn't support Israel's agenda is anti-semitic. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905120635] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>But remember guys anyone who doesn't support Israel's agenda is anti-semitic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Van_Zan- 07/15/18 1:48:38 PM #3:	the guardian tho. --- \|Kentucky Irregulars\| https://imgur.com/LesXYEu <cite>-Van_Zan- posted [p:905120684] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>the guardian tho.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 07/15/18 1:49:27 PM #4:	Sieg heil the fourth Reich! --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:905120728] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Sieg heil the fourth Reich!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 07/15/18 1:50:29 PM #5:	The irony of this bill. --- https://imgur.com/OlAyuQb https://imgur.com/KnLuqux <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:905120782] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>The irony of this bill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/15/18 1:52:28 PM #6:	Cheater87 posted... The irony of this bill. bull* --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:905120877] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cheater87 posted...</cite> <quote>The irony of this bill.</quote> bull*</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 07/15/18 1:53:16 PM #7:	ScazarMeltex posted... But remember guys anyone who doesn't support Israel's agenda is anti-semitic. --- https://i.imgtc.com/IR4XrBA.gif https://i.imgtc.com/7X1rBRv.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:905120916] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>But remember guys anyone who doesn't support Israel's agenda is anti-semitic.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/15/18 1:58:17 PM #8:	It seems it actually is both sides over there --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:905121163] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>It seems it actually is both sides over there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 07/15/18 2:06:27 PM #9:	hockeybub89 posted... It seems it actually is both sides over there Unfortunately in this case Trump would never say that <cite>Axiom posted [p:905121573] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>It seems it actually is both sides over there</quote> Unfortunately in this case Trump would never say that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 07/15/18 2:10:38 PM #10:	It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:905121783] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 07/15/18 2:12:45 PM #11:	Hop103 posted... It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies. Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:905121864] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote>It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies.</quote> Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RE_expert44 07/15/18 2:16:37 PM #12:	This sounds familiar --- Topic Killer Extraordinaire! REmake 2 giveaway > http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>RE_expert44 posted [p:905122033] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>This sounds familiar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 2:17:47 PM #13:	frozenshock posted... Hop103 posted... It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies. Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant It's almost as if they came stole the land from the people it actually belonged to and then acted surprised when said people weren't cool with it. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905122101] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote>It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies.</quote> Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant</quote> It's almost as if they came stole the land from the people it actually belonged to and then acted surprised when said people weren't cool with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 07/15/18 2:18:38 PM #14:	RE_expert44 posted... This sounds familiar be quiet, drawing historical parallels is anti-Semitic <cite>treewojima posted [p:905122130] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>RE_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>This sounds familiar</quote> be quiet, drawing historical parallels is anti-Semitic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/15/18 2:19:54 PM #15:	They've effectively been an apartheid state for awhile now. This would just seal the deal. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905122171] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>They've effectively been an apartheid state for awhile now. This would just seal the deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 07/15/18 2:20:24 PM #17:	Antifar posted... certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language. So can we be able to condemn Israel's actions now or is that still anti-Semitic --- https://imgtc.com/i/FoEetUh.gif https://imgtc.com/i/oeysOEy.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:905122195] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language.</quote> So can we be able to condemn Israel's actions now or is that still anti-Semitic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/15/18 2:21:36 PM #18:	frozenshock posted... Hop103 posted... It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies. Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant I guess we're ignoring the part where they had the land they currently occupy stolen from native people and despite being an incredibly tiny country, they have one of the most powerful militaries in the world which poses a genuine cause for concern regarding their being there? --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905122241] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote>It' almost a the Jews there are being as bigoted as their Islamic enemies.</quote> Maybe but they're a tiny little country in the middle of a vast ocean of countries that have sworn to wipe them off the map. They can't really afford to be very tolerant</quote> I guess we're ignoring the part where they had the land they currently occupy stolen from native people and despite being an incredibly tiny country, they have one of the most powerful militaries in the world which poses a genuine cause for concern regarding their being there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 07/15/18 2:25:23 PM #19:	The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:905122421] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Letron_James 07/15/18 2:25:46 PM #20:	Fuck Israel --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. <cite>Letron_James posted [p:905122439] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Fuck Israel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 07/15/18 2:30:11 PM #21:	scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? -Kick the people living there out of their homes and take them for yourself -While getting continuous support from some of the richest countries in the world -Saying it's okay for Israel to segregate people for not being Jewish just because they're richer than surrounding countries Wew, welcome to this tag --- https://imgtc.com/i/FoEetUh.gif https://imgtc.com/i/oeysOEy.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:905122670] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> -Kick the people living there out of their homes and take them for yourself -While getting continuous support from some of the richest countries in the world -Saying it's okay for Israel to segregate people for not being Jewish just because they're richer than surrounding countries Wew, welcome to this tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 2:35:22 PM #22:	scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? Yeah the Isrealis only have the backing/funding/military surplus of the worlds most powerful militaries. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905122913] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> Yeah the Isrealis only have the backing/funding/military surplus of the worlds most powerful militaries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 07/15/18 2:36:49 PM #23:	scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:905122976] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 07/15/18 2:36:58 PM #24:	I'm not quite sure that wanting to live free from those who openly call for your murder and the annihilation of your people is a bad thing. --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:905122984] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>I'm not quite sure that wanting to live free from those who openly call for your murder and the annihilation of your people is a bad thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fahren 07/15/18 2:38:21 PM #25:	Remember goyim race mixing is great and if you don't like it you're a bigot, but only if it's in countries that aren't Israel. <cite>Fahren posted [p:905123039] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Remember goyim race mixing is great and if you don't like it you're a bigot, but only if it's in countries that aren't Israel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/15/18 2:39:45 PM #26:	Fahren posted... Remember goyim race mixing is great and if you don't like it you're a bigot, but only if it's in countries that aren't Israel. Fuck off with this anti-semitic bullshit. - The Israeli government is not the Jewish people; conflating the two only serves to benefit the Netanyahus of the world. - Race mixing is fine and that belief has nothing to do with some imagined Jewish conspiracy. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905123108] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fahren posted...</cite> <quote>Remember goyim race mixing is great and if you don't like it you're a bigot, but only if it's in countries that aren't Israel.</quote> Fuck off with this anti-semitic bullshit. - The Israeli government is not the Jewish people; conflating the two only serves to benefit the Netanyahus of the world. - Race mixing is fine and that belief has nothing to do with some imagined Jewish conspiracy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/15/18 2:39:58 PM #27:	There are no lows that some people won't go to white knight Israel. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:905123121] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>There are no lows that some people won't go to white knight Israel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/15/18 2:40:14 PM #28:	BignutzisBack posted... scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905123136] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?</quote> The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 2:44:10 PM #29:	gunplagirl posted... BignutzisBack posted... scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations. This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905123341] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?</quote> The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations.</quote> This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 07/15/18 2:47:19 PM #30:	BignutzisBack posted... I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? The Nazis support Israel because it is the model of what they'd want a white ethnostate to look like: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/richard-spencer-gives-israel-as-example-of-ethno-state-he-wants-in-u-s-1.5459154 --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:905123490] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote>I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? </quote> The Nazis support Israel because it is the model of what they'd want a white ethnostate to look like: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/richard-spencer-gives-israel-as-example-of-ethno-state-he-wants-in-u-s-1.5459154</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/15/18 2:47:46 PM #31:	One of my parents was an non-orthodox Jew. We shouldn't be fine with theocracy, fascism, and apartheid just because Jews are doing it. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:905123514] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>One of my parents was an non-orthodox Jew. We shouldn't be fine with theocracy, fascism, and apartheid just because Jews are doing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 07/15/18 2:52:14 PM #32:	Boycott Israeli apartheid. <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:905123719] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Boycott Israeli apartheid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/15/18 2:54:57 PM #34:	ScazarMeltex posted... gunplagirl posted... BignutzisBack posted... scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations. This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies. The whole "I have a x friend" argument rarely holds up That said, few if any of my Jewish friends (religious and ethnic) support Israel or even believe it should exist given how it arose. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905123859] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?</quote> The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations.</quote> This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies.</quote> The whole "I have a x friend" argument rarely holds up That said, few if any of my Jewish friends (religious and ethnic) support Israel or even believe it should exist given how it arose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 07/15/18 2:57:08 PM #35:	Webmaster4531 posted... One of my parents was an non-orthodox Jew. We shouldn't be fine with theocracy, fascism, and apartheid just because Jews are doing it. A lot of the people who are OK with this are also OK with it when Christians do it. Just not when Muslims do it. Hmmmmm... --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Chosen Traveler/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:905123968] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>One of my parents was an non-orthodox Jew. We shouldn't be fine with theocracy, fascism, and apartheid just because Jews are doing it.</quote> A lot of the people who are OK with this are also OK with it when Christians do it. Just not when Muslims do it. Hmmmmm...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinksLiege 07/15/18 3:03:38 PM #37:	Everything I hear regarding the conflict over there leaves me thinking that neither side is worth supporting. It isn't even about who has the more legitimate claim. After a certain point the actions being taken render you indefensible. And both sides (durr hurr) have gone well past that point already. --- This is LinksLiege's signature. It is fantastic. <cite>LinksLiege posted [p:905124286] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Everything I hear regarding the conflict over there leaves me thinking that neither side is worth supporting. It isn't even about who has the more legitimate claim. After a certain point the actions being taken render you indefensible. And both sides (durr hurr) have gone well past that point already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 4:22:04 PM #38:	gunplagirl posted... ScazarMeltex posted... gunplagirl posted... BignutzisBack posted... scorpion41 posted... The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again? I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection? The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations. This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies. The whole "I have a x friend" argument rarely holds up That said, few if any of my Jewish friends (religious and ethnic) support Israel or even believe it should exist given how it arose. I just despise that one can't hate Israel's policies without being labeled anti-semitic. Isreal doesn't not equate to Judaism or it's practicing members, it only equates to Israel. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905128061] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The Jewish people took the land and developed into one of the most powerful, successful small countries in the world...meanwhile the slew of Muslim countries around them are still poor and underdeveloped. Not to mention the constant terrorism from Hamas and PLO. Why is Israel the problem again?</quote> I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?</quote> The right has literal avowed Nazis on several ballots this year And liberals don't hate Israel because they're Jewish, it's because of the human rights violations and theft of the land through illegal actions funded by other nations.</quote> This. I have several jewish friends. I have 0 issues with Jews, their culture, or their religions (that I don't have with any other religion). What do I have is severe issues with Israel's policies.</quote> The whole "I have a x friend" argument rarely holds up That said, few if any of my Jewish friends (religious and ethnic) support Israel or even believe it should exist given how it arose.</quote> I just despise that one can't hate Israel's policies without being labeled anti-semitic. Isreal doesn't not equate to Judaism or it's practicing members, it only equates to Israel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 07/15/18 4:39:52 PM #40:	And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with". --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:905128881] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/15/18 4:44:08 PM #41:	DarkTransient posted... And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with". Like conservatives loving Israeli fascism, theocracy, and apartheid is better. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:905129099] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with".</quote> Like conservatives loving Israeli fascism, theocracy, and apartheid is better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/15/18 4:48:18 PM #42:	"Criticizing Israel means you hate all Jews. Hypocritical, racist liberals!" "Criticizing specific people doesn't mean you hate black people. Goddamn offended, racebaiting liberals!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:905129279] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>"Criticizing Israel means you hate all Jews. Hypocritical, racist liberals!" "Criticizing specific people doesn't mean you hate black people. Goddamn offended, racebaiting liberals!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/15/18 6:26:23 PM #43:	DarkTransient posted... And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with". Criticism of Israel is not criticism of jews. It is criticism of a country's positions and behavior. But you would know that if you weren't a dishonest turd. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:905133853] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote>And bam, watch as liberals go back to their pre-2016 attitude of "Jews are included in the groups it's fine to take issue with".</quote> Criticism of Israel is not criticism of jews. It is criticism of a country's positions and behavior. But you would know that if you weren't a dishonest turd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrumpTrain 07/16/18 2:09:36 PM #45:	Israel is a Jewish state. It is their duty to protect the only refuge that Jews can count on in the world where every one wants them dead. They have been oppressed long enough and Israel is where they make their final stand. If they can't maintain the Jewish identity in their own state, their country is as good as gone. <cite>TrumpTrain posted [p:905179489] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Israel is a Jewish state. It is their duty to protect the only refuge that Jews can count on in the world where every one wants them dead. They have been oppressed long enough and Israel is where they make their final stand. If they can't maintain the Jewish identity in their own state, their country is as good as gone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrumpTrain 07/16/18 2:31:52 PM #46:	Arabs have oppressed the Jews since as long as they have existed. When Arab countries felt like being generous, Jews were only allowed to exist after they paid their dhimmi tax and still be segregated and treated as shit class citizens. https://imgur.com/WnS226D And when Arabs don't feel like being so kind? They ethnically cleansed the Jews and expelled the rest into the desert to die. That's why Syrian Jews in New York don't take kindly to SJWs shoving Syrian refugees down their throat in their own community. And now Arabs have the gall to complain and whine about Jews not treating them well enough in the Jewish state? Why is it only Jews must be tolerant of their oppressors in their own country? Arabs never even paid Jews the reparations for all the crimes they have committed against them. <cite>TrumpTrain posted [p:905180742] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>Arabs have oppressed the Jews since as long as they have existed. When Arab countries felt like being generous, Jews were only allowed to exist after they paid their dhimmi tax and still be segregated and treated as shit class citizens. https://imgur.com/WnS226D And when Arabs don't feel like being so kind? They ethnically cleansed the Jews and expelled the rest into the desert to die. That's why Syrian Jews in New York don't take kindly to SJWs shoving Syrian refugees down their throat in their own community. And now Arabs have the gall to complain and whine about Jews not treating them well enough in the Jewish state? Why is it only Jews must be tolerant of their oppressors in their own country? Arabs never even paid Jews the reparations for all the crimes they have committed against them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/16/18 2:35:37 PM #47:	I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:905180970] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote>I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/16/18 2:37:19 PM #48:	Tyranthraxus posted... I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this. The people okay with it have names like "TrumpTrain" and include people who blame their wife leaving them on Obama. They're not serious people who matter. <cite>BWLurker posted [p:905181059] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this.</quote> The people okay with it have names like "TrumpTrain" and include people who blame their wife leaving them on Obama. They're not serious people who matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/16/18 2:38:52 PM #49:	Zero_Destroyer posted... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm you know what that text sounds like a bull. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_N2WLE1yo" data-time=" --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:905181162] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm</quote> you know what that text sounds like a bull. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_N2WLE1yo" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrumpTrain 07/16/18 11:25:27 PM #50:	Tyranthraxus posted... I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this. In case you forget, this tiny little piece land of Jewish state is surrounded by every Arab states there are. If Arabs don't like the fact that they can't flex in Israel, they are welcome to leave and go home. Being in Israel is a privilege, not a right for non-Jews. <cite>TrumpTrain posted [p:905210820] in Israel in ... [t:76809695]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>I mean.... uh... like... didn't that Hitler guy or whatever make Jewish-only communities shortly before rounding them up to send to camps? I don't understand how anyone there is okay with this.</quote> In case you forget, this tiny little piece land of Jewish state is surrounded by every Arab states there are. If Arabs don't like the fact that they can't flex in Israel, they are welcome to leave and go home. Being in Israel is a privilege, not a right for non-Jews.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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