Current Events > The left eats their own once again.

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https://variety.com/2018/film/news/scarlett-johansson-exit-rub-and-tug-trans-backlash-1202872981/

LOL, exits the film because complainers complained.
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I dont know why such a famous actress would even read a script for something like that.
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THATS THE REAL ISSUE. WE CANT EVEN GET IN THE ROOM. Cast actors WHO ARE TRANS as NON TRANS CHARACTERS. I DARE YOU.

I wonder why....

Mind explaining what the topic title has to do with the post?
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This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

There's a certain sub-section of the right that prefers the hivemind and considers anyone that steps out of line a RINO

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

Right, and in this case it apparently means "respectfully pulling out of the project"
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And listening. And understanding. And reaching out.

God, accuse me of those atrocities more, please.
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ChiefSosa posted...

THATS THE REAL ISSUE. WE CANT EVEN GET IN THE ROOM. Cast actors WHO ARE TRANS as NON TRANS CHARACTERS. I DARE YOU.

I wonder why....

This is why i like Chaz Bono. Hes a transgender who doesnt throw a bitch fit every 3 seconds. An Actor of a popular TV show that doesnt bring up that hes trans every time he can and does a damn fine job at acting.
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eston posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

Right, and in this case it apparently means "respectfully pulling out of the project"

scarlett, after *gasp* actually listening to a community of people who felt really hurt, respected how they felt and bowed out

the fact that neckbeards consider this "the left eating itself" only expose them. congratulations, you played yourself
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I, for one, am offended that actor's think it's okay to portray people who are not themselves in movies. Are we really going to pretend like Gary Oldman has any idea of the struggles Winston Churchill faced in his life? Not to mention the representation issue Elderly White Englishman face in Hollywood. Disgusting.
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

Apparently you gotta be a hivemind and a circle jerk to not eat each other out.
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

It's less about democrats making criticisms or party integrity. The "left eating the left" meme stems from people who enjoy watching highly judgmental people come under the same unreasonable scrutiny as they hold against others, and watching them get crushed using the tools of their creation. Like having someone who thinks that someone having a right-wing opinion on twitter should get them fired... being fired for something they posted on twitter after a mob goes off on them for saying it.
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Prestoff posted...

pinky0926 posted...
Apparently you gotta be a hivemind and a circle jerk to not eat each other out.

Smh you gotta be willing to go down
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I don't know why she thought she need to go for that role in the first place. She looks nothing like the person did in real life, and there's a significant desire among consumers to see trans roles portrayed by trans characters.

If it's not obvious, I think the internet rightfully read her for filth. Later when she tried to double down and compare herself to other actors who did the same, she justifiably got even more shade because we're not keen on those people either (Jeffery Tambor, sis. Where have you been for the past year?)? She completely missed the point, and it was more than a little out of touch. If I don't see another twitter meme circulating comparing her to Thanos collecting the diversity roles I'm going to be a little sad, because some of it is petty, but it's also fun.

As for this 'left eating itself' meme, we been telling you that your material needs updating, and you're just kind of reiterating for us why conservative late night comedy never quite takes off. Comedy writing still takes work and y'all don't try.
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s0nicfan posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

It's less about democrats making criticisms or party integrity. The "left eating the left" meme stems from people who enjoy watching highly judgmental people come under the same unreasonable scrutiny as they hold against others, and watching them get crushed using the tools of their creation. Like having someone who thinks that someone having a right-wing opinion on twitter should get them fired... being fired for something they posted on twitter after a mob goes off on them for saying it.

Would you prefer they weren't held to that standard simply because we agree with them on other issues? Because that's how you get the Clintons.
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s0nicfan posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

It's less about democrats making criticisms or party integrity. The "left eating the left" meme stems from people who enjoy watching highly judgmental people come under the same unreasonable scrutiny as they hold against others, and watching them get crushed using the tools of their creation. Like having someone who thinks that someone having a right-wing opinion on twitter should get them fired... being fired for something they posted on twitter after a mob goes off on them for saying it.

And yet, here we have a very reasonable exchange that resulted in someone respecting a community's wishes and deciding not to be a hypocrite. But according to TC, that's "the left eating itself".

Your version of events sounds nice in theory but I'm not entirely sure it's accurate.
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Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

It's less about democrats making criticisms or party integrity. The "left eating the left" meme stems from people who enjoy watching highly judgmental people come under the same unreasonable scrutiny as they hold against others, and watching them get crushed using the tools of their creation. Like having someone who thinks that someone having a right-wing opinion on twitter should get them fired... being fired for something they posted on twitter after a mob goes off on them for saying it.

Would you prefer they weren't held to that standard simply because we agree with them on other issues?

I'm sorry... who is "they" in this instance? I wasn't taking a stance on anything, simply trying to elaborate on the meaning behind "the left eating their own" as a concept. I'm sure people on the right have the same thing happen (say, an open gun advocate getting robbed at gunpoint), but there isn't a term for that as far as I know.

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pinky0926 posted...

Your version of events sounds nice in theory but I'm not entirely sure it's accurate.

Oh no, you're totally correct. This isn't an instance of "the left eating itself" at all. I'm just pointing out that the term is about more than simple criticism.
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Prestoff posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

Apparently you gotta be a hivemind and a circle jerk to not eat each other out.

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Is there any dumber thing than the "left eating itself" narrative

The same people complain about democrats being hypocritical and then complain about them holding their own accountable. What do you want, exactly?
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hollow_shrine posted...

significant desire among consumers to see trans roles portrayed by trans characters.

yes, 0.3% of the population is definitely a big deal.

I'm sorry, TC. This is probably not how you expected the topic to go.
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This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.
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pinky0926 posted...

This whole "left eating itself" nonsense really tickles me. Because democrats can make criticism of other democrats, that's a terrible thing. Better to blindly follow, no matter what. Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

It's funny because one of the big proponents of "grab the popcorn the left is eating itself!" is a guy who got dropped like a sack of potatoes by his own party and news outlet.

Milo
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ChiefSosa posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

significant desire among consumers to see trans roles portrayed by trans characters.

yes, 0.3% of the population is definitely a big deal.

You're fallaciously assuming that only trans people could want trans roles played by trans performers. You might take a moment to do some googling and further reflection, before revising this position.
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Zodd3224 posted...

This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.

I'd say it's a bad example of the left eating itself, but it IS an example of the left working against their own self-interest. ScarJo has a ton of star power and her inclusion would have brought significant attention to a movie that wouldn't likely have gotten much otherwise. The result would be a bigger turnout and more people having this issue brought to their attention. Choosing to demand a trans woman for a trans role over AAA star power for a social issue that they would also argue needs far more focus is shooting yourself in the foot a bit.
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People just say that to try to piss liberals off. It's just another meme they use to troll. In a little bit they're all just going to quote all of you saying how dumb it is and go "lololol so triggered!".
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pinky0926 posted...

Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

republican motto
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Is there any dumber thing than the "left eating itself" narrative

nope.

its especially funny to me when the cultists cry out that the liberal elite in hollywood are terrible people.
yeah, and we crucify and prosecute them for that. you guys, on the other hand, elect them as president.
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Darkman124 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Party before integrity, that's the main thing.

republican motto

how else do you end up with guys like Roy Moore and Corey Stewart?
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s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.

I'd say it's a bad example of the left eating itself, but it IS an example of the left working against their own self-interest. ScarJo has a ton of star power and her inclusion would have brought significant attention to a movie that wouldn't likely have gotten much otherwise. The result would be a bigger turnout and more people having this issue brought to their attention. Choosing to demand a trans woman for a trans role over AAA star power for a social issue that they would also argue needs far more focus is shooting yourself in the foot a bit.

I wouldnt have an issue with them casting a cis woman for a trans role, but they never cast a trans woman for a cis role. Either go both ways or neither. Maybe the trans woman they have play the role this could be her big break.

I can understand why trans actors and actresses would be upset by that double standard.
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Fair, next

Don't cast women to play men. Especially not if you're casting a young, thin and tall woman for her sex appeal to portray a short, obese and old man who wasn't very attractive at all.
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ChiefSosa posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

significant desire among consumers to see trans roles portrayed by trans characters.

yes, 0.3% of the population is definitely a big deal.

You say it like most people complaining about her leaving were ever going to see the movie
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Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.

I'd say it's a bad example of the left eating itself, but it IS an example of the left working against their own self-interest. ScarJo has a ton of star power and her inclusion would have brought significant attention to a movie that wouldn't likely have gotten much otherwise. The result would be a bigger turnout and more people having this issue brought to their attention. Choosing to demand a trans woman for a trans role over AAA star power for a social issue that they would also argue needs far more focus is shooting yourself in the foot a bit.

I wouldnt have an issue with them casting a cis woman for a trans role, but they never cast a trans woman for a cis role. Either go both ways or neither. Maybe the trans woman they have play the role this could be her big break.

I can understand why trans actors and actresses would be upset by that double standard.

This is a trans man though. They should cast a man, cis or trans. Not a woman and especially not a trans woman as that would conflate the issue on several levels more than merely casting a cis woman.
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Zodd3224 posted...

I wouldnt have an issue with them casting a cis woman for a trans role, but they never cast a trans woman for a cis role. Either go both ways or neither. Maybe the trans woman they have play the role this could be her big break.

I can understand why trans actors and actresses would be upset by that double standard.

If their concern is that their own careers are more important that pushing society closer to acceptance through the star power of one of the biggest actresses in Hollywood, then do we really care that they didn't get the role? Or put another way, if that's what they think about their OWN careers, why should anyone else sacrifice their own success for them?
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gunplagirl posted...

casting a young, thin and tall woman for her sex appeal to portray a short, obese and old man who wasn't very attractive at all.

Like, this is real tea. Why is anyone asking Scarlet Johansson to portray that person in particular. They have nothing in common. What is even the point of casting her if you're just going to put her in a fat suit and digitally add weight to her. Like, maybe she gave an amazing audition performance and they just had to acquiesce. I don't know. This makes no sense.
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Who cares. The right have been eating itself for longer and it's doing just fine. The two sides can be shit and still not destroy themselves. We need to start over.
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s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.

I'd say it's a bad example of the left eating itself, but it IS an example of the left working against their own self-interest. ScarJo has a ton of star power and her inclusion would have brought significant attention to a movie that wouldn't likely have gotten much otherwise. The result would be a bigger turnout and more people having this issue brought to their attention. Choosing to demand a trans woman for a trans role over AAA star power for a social issue that they would also argue needs far more focus is shooting yourself in the foot a bit.

This is the excuse always used but we will never get trans women with star power if we continue to not cast them in roles

Cast scarjo as a different character in the film if you want her star power
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@TC: Yep. This board is heavy left so they are going to speak out against you not because you're right or wrong but to support their own group hivemind political ideology. The fact that Scar Jo got thrown under the bus by people she generally has worked hard to protect over the years and also the ungratefulness shown to the many people who will lose their jobs over this film not being made is irrelevant in that light.

"Liberal" and "Conservative" is just code words for petty behavior. Actually what it amounts to is tribalism but no one wants to call a spade a spade these days where life in political correctness necessitates the death of honestly, morality, dialogue and truth. It all falls apart in the face of common sense though.

For example, I saw someone declare they were a Republican in a meeting and went on about that for a minute or two even though it wasn't asked and was utterly irrelevant to the point at hand. However, once they realized that even other people who vote Republican in the same room were not receptive to this they thankful moved on out of cringe territory.

All that should have happened here was an honest discussion and dialogue. This *should* have opened doors for people. Instead, good luck on getting a Hollywood green light on this sort of project anytime soon. Yea, progress? It's just stupid and should be called out and yes, leftists are far worse about this stateside. This does not mean everyone to be super clear to over zealous rouge mods.
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TheGoldenEel posted...

This is the excuse always used but we will never get trans women with star power if we continue to not cast them in roles

you didn't even read the article buddy

gunplagirl posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

This is a terrible example of "the left eating its race."

They have a point. Trans girls never cast as leading cis women, why wouldnt they bring up that a cis woman is playing a trans woman? Hollywood cant have it both ways.

I'd say it's a bad example of the left eating itself, but it IS an example of the left working against their own self-interest. ScarJo has a ton of star power and her inclusion would have brought significant attention to a movie that wouldn't likely have gotten much otherwise. The result would be a bigger turnout and more people having this issue brought to their attention. Choosing to demand a trans woman for a trans role over AAA star power for a social issue that they would also argue needs far more focus is shooting yourself in the foot a bit.

I wouldnt have an issue with them casting a cis woman for a trans role, but they never cast a trans woman for a cis role. Either go both ways or neither. Maybe the trans woman they have play the role this could be her big break.

I can understand why trans actors and actresses would be upset by that double standard.

This is a trans man though. They should cast a man, cis or trans. Not a woman and especially not a trans woman as that would conflate the issue on several levels more than merely casting a cis woman.

My mistake, trans man.
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s0nicfan posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I wouldnt have an issue with them casting a cis woman for a trans role, but they never cast a trans woman for a cis role. Either go both ways or neither. Maybe the trans woman they have play the role this could be her big break.

I can understand why trans actors and actresses would be upset by that double standard.

If their concern is that their own careers are more important that pushing society closer to acceptance through the star power of one of the biggest actresses in Hollywood, then do we really care that they didn't get the role? Or put another way, if that's what they think about their OWN careers, why should anyone else sacrifice their own success for them?

I disagree with your assesment that ScarJo playing a trans person will help push acceptance at all.
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Zodd3224 posted...

I disagree with your assesment that ScarJo playing a trans person will help push acceptance at all.

If anything, the critical and popular success of shows like Sense8, Tangerine, and now Pose, show that people are even more willing to accept and sympathize with trans people when they see them perform as themselves on screen. the intimacy and sense of honesty goes a long way towards engage audience's trust.
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CyricZ posted...

Mind explaining what the topic title has to do with the post?

mario2000 posted...

to redhats, "the left" is literally just anyone who doesn't worship trump

the phrase has lost all meaning by this point

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CreekCo posted...

This board is heavy left so they are going to speak out against you not because you're right or wrong

Remember kids. If you're wrong just say it doesn't matter whether you were right or wrong.
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Dont hire famous actors that draw in audiences to play roles of trans people.
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