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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 5:29:52 PM
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so they don't have to argue with them over effective policy. 41 members of this journalist group signed a letter affirming this is the strategy they will take.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703724104575379200412040286

The "Journolist" scandal has deepened with new revelations that participants in the now-defunct email list for ideologically approved journalists--no conservatives allowed--engaged in efforts to suppress news damaging to then-candidate Barack Obama.

The Daily Caller reports ABC News's "tough questioning" of Obama at a 2008 debate with Hillary Clinton "left many of [the Journolist participants outraged":

"George [Stephanopoulos]," fumed Richard Kim of the Nation, is "being a disgusting little rat snake."

Others went further. According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage.

Most damning is a long quote from a Spencer Ackerman, who worked for something called the Washington Independent:

I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It's not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright's defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger's [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.
And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us. Instead, take one of them--Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares--and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 5:29:56 PM
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It gets better though

Ackerman was not engaging in a public debate; he was privately strategizing about how to suppress the news. And his fellow journolists, while disagreeing with him, did so "only on strategic grounds":

"Spencer, you're wrong," wrote Mark Schmitt, now an editor at the American Prospect. "Calling Fred Barnes a racist doesn't further the argument, and not just because Juan Williams is his new black friend, but because that makes it all about character. The goal is to get to the point where you can contrast some _thing_--Obama's substantive agenda--with this crap." . . .

Kevin Drum, then of Washington Monthly, also disagreed with Ackerman's strategy. "I think it's worth keeping in mind that Obama is trying (or says he's trying) to run a campaign that avoids precisely the kind of thing Spencer is talking about, and turning this into a gutter brawl would probably hurt the Obama brand pretty strongly. After all, why vote for him if it turns out he's not going [to] change the way politics works?"

But it was Ackerman who had the last word. "Kevin, I'm not saying OBAMA should do this. I'm saying WE should do this."

If anybody on the list objected in principle to Ackerman's idea of slandering people, including a fellow journalist, as racist, the Caller missed that part of the story. (We'll be happy to report it if a Journolist member would care to supply us with the evidence.) What Ackerman proposed was to carry out a political dirty trick in order to suppress the news and thereby aid a candidate for public office. That's about as unethical as journalism can get.

The final product of this debate was a pathetic "open letter," which, as we noted at the time, was signed by 41 self-described "journalists and media analysts," nearly all of whom were affiliated with universities, left-wing publications or left-wing think tanks.

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Kazi1212
07/09/18 5:31:54 PM
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Watch libs respond to this topic with a bunch of ad hominems and non sequitors
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0AbsoluteZero0
07/09/18 5:36:17 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
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creativerealms
07/09/18 5:37:37 PM
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Yep I see that every time I watch fox news, everyone on the left is called a racist.
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tennisdude818
07/09/18 5:38:42 PM
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Disgusting
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southcoast09
07/09/18 5:38:59 PM
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More proof that the liberal media is just as feckless as it is irrelevant. Anybody who pays attention to that crap is addicted to being told how to think.

70%+ of the media staunchly oppose President Trump. Pa-thetic. He cant stop winning.
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Rad_Chad
07/09/18 5:40:03 PM
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left: you guys are racist against non-white
right: you guys are racist against white

they're both racist if you go far enough left or right. facts bro
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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 5:43:18 PM
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Rad_Chad posted...
left: you guys are racist against non-white
right: you guys are racist against white

they're both racist if you go far enough left or right. facts bro

Afaik the right usually only calls the left racist when the left supports actual laws that discriminate on race, like AA.

You rarely hear the right call leftists racist for, say, supporting higher taxes. Meanwhile...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/morris-dees/holder-sees-racism-in-oba_b_5595360.html
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Doom_Art
07/09/18 5:44:15 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
the right usually only calls the left racist when the left supports actual laws that discriminate on race, like AA.

Nah they're usually much quicker to jump the gun than that
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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 5:45:25 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
the right usually only calls the left racist when the left supports actual laws that discriminate on race, like AA.

Nah they're usually much quicker to jump the gun than that

When was the last time I called you a racist? Sometime before never?

You however call me a racist every time I express support for border security, you tool.
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mario2000
07/09/18 5:47:53 PM
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i fully support smashing right wingers through plate glass windows any time
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A_Good_Boy
07/09/18 5:50:07 PM
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This was 10 years ago. Anything current?
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sktgamer_13dude
07/09/18 5:50:50 PM
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And Mal is stuck 10 years in the past.
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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 5:52:50 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
This was 10 years ago. Anything current?

sktgamer_13dude posted...
And Mal is stuck 10 years in the past.

I highlight this story to show that this kind of thing obviously happens, and its pretty obvious that it's still going on.

It's either this or profound stupidity that makes the entire left-wing media cry racism when MS-13 gets called mean names.
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Axiom
07/09/18 5:59:03 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
And Mal is stuck 10 years in the past.

Him and Circus are so desperate they actively search ancient articles to troll. What a sad life they lead
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glitteringfairy
07/09/18 6:01:44 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
the right usually only calls the left racist when the left supports actual laws that discriminate on race, like AA.

Nah they're usually much quicker to jump the gun than that

When was the last time I called you a racist? Sometime before never?

You however call me a racist every time I express support for border security, you tool.

Fucking REKT
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/09/18 6:06:01 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
President Trump. Pa-thetic. He can?t stop whining.


Good post, southcoast :P
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DavidWong
07/09/18 6:08:02 PM
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I'm centrist, probably left leaning a little bit, but goddamn, there's nothing more stupid than:

Libs
Leftist
Left*** (rhymes with the derogatory word for "special" people)

Or any of the above. It's so cringe.
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Doom_Art
07/09/18 6:12:33 PM
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Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol
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Esrac
07/09/18 6:24:10 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol


Why do you guys think the age of the event invalidates it? Do you suppose there is something radically different between them and now that makes unethical practices like this less likely or less unethical?
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tennisdude818
07/09/18 6:24:57 PM
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Lmao This is 10 years old! No way the media still has a problem with liberal propaganda today!
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A_Good_Boy
07/09/18 6:34:03 PM
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Esrac posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol


Why do you guys think the age of the event invalidates it? Do you suppose there is something radically different between them and now that makes unethical practices like this less likely or less unethical?

Do you have any evidence that this is still continuing? Cause even the article Mal posted makes it seem like a lot of the journalists no longer work and that the publications that hired them no longer exist.
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mario2000
07/09/18 6:50:09 PM
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Esrac posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol


Why do you guys think the age of the event invalidates it? Do you suppose there is something radically different between them and now that makes unethical practices like this less likely or less unethical?

ask yourself why a 10 year old article is the best that tc could come up with
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-Bungle-
07/09/18 7:04:53 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
the right usually only calls the left racist when the left supports actual laws that discriminate on race, like AA.

Nah they're usually much quicker to jump the gun than that

When was the last time I called you a racist? Sometime before never?

You however call me a racist every time I express support for border security, you tool.

Fucking REKT

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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 7:09:56 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Esrac posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol


Why do you guys think the age of the event invalidates it? Do you suppose there is something radically different between them and now that makes unethical practices like this less likely or less unethical?

ask yourself why a 10 year old article is the best that tc could come up with

It's not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CueIRYOpiA8" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdFDaP1ewnI" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmT7-dhOWs" data-time="


The least dishonest leftist media will say he called "some" undocumented immigrants animals, conveniently leaving out that the "some" he was talking about were gang members who sex traffick children.

So yes, either they're engaging in an effort to call people bigots for literally any reason they can find, or the entirety of the left-wing media is full of dullards.

....actually, let's not take that last option off the table quite yet.
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treewojima
07/09/18 7:15:21 PM
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oh shit, here come the YouTube links
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mario2000
07/09/18 10:18:29 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
mario2000 posted...
Esrac posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Wait this is from 10 years ago?

Lol


Why do you guys think the age of the event invalidates it? Do you suppose there is something radically different between them and now that makes unethical practices like this less likely or less unethical?

ask yourself why a 10 year old article is the best that tc could come up with

It's not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CueIRYOpiA8" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdFDaP1ewnI" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmT7-dhOWs" data-time="


The least dishonest leftist media will say he called "some" undocumented immigrants animals, conveniently leaving out that the "some" he was talking about were gang members who sex traffick children.

So yes, either they're engaging in an effort to call people bigots for literally any reason they can find, or the entirety of the left-wing media is full of dullards.

....actually, let's not take that last option off the table quite yet.

so when you gonna stop pretending that you don't know what dogwhistling is
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DifferentialEquation
07/09/18 10:21:05 PM
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Liberals:
*constantly bring up of slavery and other things that happened well over 100 years ago which no longer affect people today
*"OMG! That happened 10 years ago! Stop bringing it up!"
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Sephiroth1288
07/09/18 10:22:14 PM
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mario2000 posted...
so when you gonna stop pretending that you don't know what dogwhistling is

The mafia were losers

Uh oh, I just dogwhistled Italians!
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Teddytalks
07/09/18 10:25:01 PM
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Another one of your circle jerk topics where your Entourage scream "LIBERALS" like broken records while you claim discussion is dead eh? Noted for gimmicks.
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Dragonblade01
07/09/18 10:27:35 PM
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Yes, people often look for ways to dismiss arguments as a preemptive defense and it's bad.

This isn't new.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/09/18 10:29:36 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
mario2000 posted...
so when you gonna stop pretending that you don't know what dogwhistling is

The mafia were losers

Uh oh, I just dogwhistled Italians!


What do you mean by "were," Mal Fet?
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07/09/18 10:30:15 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Watch libs respond to this topic with a bunch of ad hominems and non sequitors

Aww bbys first big wrdz
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LightningAce11
07/09/18 10:30:54 PM
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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FLUFFYGERM
07/09/18 10:31:35 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Remember when Mal defended Trumps housing discrimination?

Because that was much more recent than this.


aren't you usually calling people out for whataboutism
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Teddytalks
07/09/18 10:32:32 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
mario2000 posted...
so when you gonna stop pretending that you don't know what dogwhistling is

The mafia were losers

Uh oh, I just dogwhistled Italians!


What do you mean by "were," Mal Fet?


Oh, that who this is. I thought I had you on my ignore list mal fet. You got your account banned then started trolling on this account huh!? BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG
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voldothegr8
07/09/18 10:42:01 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Watch libs respond to this topic with a bunch of ad hominems and non sequitors

Dude called it in post number three and it still happened
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mario2000
07/10/18 12:43:40 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
mario2000 posted...
so when you gonna stop pretending that you don't know what dogwhistling is

The mafia were losers

Uh oh, I just dogwhistled Italians!

keep being disingenuous then
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07/10/18 12:44:02 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Remember when Mal defended Trumps housing discrimination?

Because that was much more recent than this.


aren't you usually calling people out for whataboutism

Rekt again!
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Antifar
07/10/18 12:45:44 AM
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As we all know, the dominant media narrative of the Jeremiah Wright thing was that his critics were deemed racists.

It definitely didn't happen that Obama threw his pastor under the bus.
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pikachupwnage
07/10/18 12:52:30 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


Its probably a bald manlet trying to not get killed by an evil lizard man with purple lips.
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StarLightGlimmR
07/10/18 1:15:03 AM
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These 'Journalists' are the enemy.
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CasualGuy
07/10/18 1:21:02 AM
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As long as journalists and news stations are paid based on clicks and views they'll never be moral or unbiased
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07/10/18 1:29:04 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Watch libs respond to this topic with a bunch of ad hominems and non sequitors

"lolstreetjournal"
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