Current Events > Are you in support of or want to boycott the HBO show Confederate?

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Dunno why people think this will be alt right. It's obviously going to paint the confederates as monsters just like how Man in the High Castle does to Nazis

Yeah, if anything, it's gonna piss off the alt right

BWLurker posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Dunno why people think this will be alt right. It's obviously going to paint the confederates as monsters just like how Man in the High Castle does to Nazis

Yeah, if anything, it's gonna piss off the alt right

You can understand why we may be skeptical about that
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Frisbee, you should seriously watch Man in the High Castle sometime to see what it's like and get an idea of what Confederate will be like. Man in the High Castle has nazis in power. but the show is not a pro nazi show. I am 100% certain that Confederate is not going to praise slavery. HBO would never allow the show for one thing, if they did that.

If you honestly think this show is going to be pro confederacy, you're out of your mind. But, like I said earlier in the topic:

spanky1 posted...

This is one of those shows where some members of both the left and right boycott it because they both think it's offensive to them for different reasons because they're unintelligent and think it's something it's not.

Both regressive leftists and the alt right will hate on this show, for contrary reasons.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

BWLurker posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Dunno why people think this will be alt right. It's obviously going to paint the confederates as monsters just like how Man in the High Castle does to Nazis

Yeah, if anything, it's gonna piss off the alt right

You can understand why we may be skeptical about that

Yes, because people love when people they agree with are portrayed as monsters.
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Do people actually believe that this show is going to try and glorify slavery/the Confederacy? Alt history rarely tries to do such things. I don't see HBO going for that.

As a HUGE fan of alternate history, I am SO looking forward to seeing it! Glad they didn't cancel it with all the backlash.
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Like i don't understand what would be the appeal of the show.

"hurp durp blacks are slaves"

"herp derp no rights for gay people"

"herp derp something something gun rights"

Other than vapid takes on the above issues I can't imagine what interesting things might come from the show. Though maybe I'm giving it the credit of being a show about something. Maybe it's just a silly action show like Prison Break.

I can't understand how anyone could be opposed to a fictional show.

Don't watch? What happened to freedom of speech? What? We can't write stories of a "what if" scenario now?

The left.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Like i don't understand what would be the appeal of the show.

"hurp durp blacks are slaves"

"herp derp no rights for gay people"

"herp derp something something gun rights"

Other than vapid takes on the above issues I can't imagine what interesting things might come from the show. Though maybe I'm giving it the credit of being a show about something. Maybe it's just a silly action show like Prison Break.

What's the appeal of a show where the Nazis won?
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Nothing racist about it. It's alternate history.
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Asherlee10 posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

What's the appeal of a show where the Nazis won?

Man in High Castle was so fascinating! It shows a glimpse of the world on an alternate timeline where there is heavy German (Nazi) and Japanese influence in the U.S.

Yeah, I've heard great things about it, I just keep finding other things to watch instead. I'll get to it someday
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FrisbeeDude posted...

BWLurker posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Dunno why people think this will be alt right. It's obviously going to paint the confederates as monsters just like how Man in the High Castle does to Nazis

Yeah, if anything, it's gonna piss off the alt right

You can understand why we may be skeptical about that

The alt right are already attacking the show because the show runners are Jewish.
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Caution999 posted...

I can't understand how anyone could be opposed to a fictional show.

Don't watch? What happened to freedom of speech? What? We can't write stories of a "what if" scenario now?

The left.

So far plenty of people on the left have posted in this topic and I didn't see anyone being opposed to the show.
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BWLurker posted...

Do people actually believe that this show is going to try and glorify slavery/the Confederacy? Alt history rarely tries to do such things. I don't see HBO going for that.

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women. Frankly, black folks are tired are being depicted as slaves and the downtrodden for the consumption of white America. it's a played out lazy narrative. I'm not really here to listen to defenses of artistic license after the first slave rape/torture scene. its exhausting.

You wanna be real creative? Sink all that money into a narrative where the slaves rose up and established a new nation that rivaled America. It would be a tremendous opportunity for HBO to give real, proud roles for upcoming actors of color...but that might actually make a certain groups uncomfortable, and we cant have that
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FrisbeeDude posted...

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women

Basically, if someone somewhere, someplace are disgusted by something you make because it's too graphic, you're being offensive.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women

Basically, if someone somewhere, someplace are disgusted by something you make because it's too graphic, you're being offensive.

Women(Game of Thrones) and black people(Confederate) are "someone, somewhere, some place"

ok
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"Women" as a group are offended by game of thrones?

Okay.

Not that every single female person on earth being offended at one thing is an argument for why its offensive rather than an argument from popularity.

FrisbeeDude posted...

BWLurker posted...

Do people actually believe that this show is going to try and glorify slavery/the Confederacy? Alt history rarely tries to do such things. I don't see HBO going for that.

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women. Frankly, black folks are tired are being depicted as slaves and the downtrodden for the consumption of white America. it's a played out lazy narrative. I'm not really here to listen to defenses of artistic license after the first slave rape/torture scene. its exhausting.

You wanna be real creative? Sink all that money into a narrative where the slaves rose up and established a new nation that rivaled America. It would be a tremendous opportunity for HBO to give real, proud roles for upcoming actors of color...but that might actually make a certain groups uncomfortable, and we cant have that

That might actually happen on this show. I am doubtful slavery will be on the show. But if it is, I am 99% sure that the series will end with the slaves rising up and becoming free

But like I said, I and other people who have thought about this historicaly do not believe slavery would still exist in the 21st century

It's amazing how some people don't even realize the slippery slope this kind of thing would bring.

We're literally not allowed to have fictional stories anymore. Fictional stories are triggering people.

What a timeline.
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Asherlee10 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women.

So what? A show isn't going to please anyone and HBO has the platform to be able to show the gruesome realities that come with being human. If a show bothers you so much, do not watch it. That is no reason to not have the show aired.

That's your prerogative. I personally would not like to see people have to succumb to the pressures of earning an income by doing a show for white Americans(because black folks sure as hell aren't clamoring for a show where slavery never ended lol) that have a fetish for a revisionist history where they have even MORE power.

I literally provided an idea for HBO for those that are so eager for a drama centered around an alternate history. empower some black actors and directors. Do something that our community would no doubt be proud to support
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Im Black and it'd be an interesting concept.

For one come on, this show isnt gonna be pro-slavery by any means given our climate.

At best you're gonna have a few humanized slave owner character(s) trying to come to grips with owning people, and who knows one may even turn anti-slavery.

I think the concept can be inflammatory on paper but not one that needs to be boycotted. Im wanna see the execution.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

"Women" as a group are offended by game of thrones?

Okay.

Not that every single female person on earth being offended at one thing is an argument for why its offensive rather than an argument from popularity.

there was considerable backlash from women against the showrunners of thrones for their rape scenes.
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I'm not sure yet.

On the one hand, I do like alternate universe stories.

On the other, this risks being very preachy and one dimensional.

I'll probably check out a synopsis or 2 and see who it pisses off, but odds are this will join the Handmaid's Tale as something I avoid.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

You wanna be real creative? Sink all that money into a narrative where the slaves rose up and established a new nation that rivaled America. It would be a tremendous opportunity for HBO to give real, proud roles for upcoming actors of color...but that might actually make a certain groups uncomfortable, and we cant have that

I think a story where they fucked up the country just as bad might be more poignant.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

there was considerable backlash from women against the showrunners of thrones for their rape scenes.

That says nothing about why scenes depicting rape are offensive. It just says "some women thought so"

Do you have any statistical breakdown of this "considerable backlash"? For instance what percentage of female viewers didn't backlash? And whether the backlash came largely from people who watched the show or from Brianna Wu wanting attention?

BigSLM1993 posted...

Im Black and it'd be an interesting concept.

For one come on, this show isnt gonna be pro-slavery by any means given our climate.

At best you're gonna have a few humanized slave owner character(s) trying to come to grips with owning people, and who knows one may even turn anti-slavery.

I think the concept can be inflammatory on paper but not one that needs to be boycotted. Im wanna see the execution.

lmao "Confederate wont glorify slavery, but it will make slave masters out to be generally good people, tortured by their 100 voluntary choice to profit off of the forced labor of other human beings. Who knows, they may even free some of them! Give it a chance!"

yall are buggin'
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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about it. More so because of the mess going on today.
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That actually sounds interesting.
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BWLurker posted...

Don't see how why it would be much different of a reaction than Man in the High Castle. Different war, but similar alt history.

^^
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FrisbeeDude posted...

"Confederate wont glorify slavery, but it will make slave masters out to be generally good people

Nothing remotely close to this reading is to be found anywhere within the post you quoted. It's almost like you're lying.

Asherlee10 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

what yall dont seem to understand is that you dont necessarily need to glorify slavery to be offensive. Game of Thrones didnt glorify rape, but its graphic depiction of it (mostly for shock value) turned off a LOT of women.

So what? A show isn't going to please anyone and HBO has the platform to be able to show the gruesome realities that come with being human. If a show bothers you so much, do not watch it. That is no reason to not have the show aired.

That's your prerogative. I personally would not like to see people have to succumb to the pressures of earning an income by doing a show for white Americans(because black folks sure as hell aren't clamoring for a show where slavery never ended lol) that have a fetish for a revisionist history where they have even MORE power.

I literally provided an idea for HBO for those that are so eager for a drama centered around an alternate history. empower some black actors and directors. Do something that our community would no doubt be proud to support

No, that's YOUR prerogative and it seems you want everyone else to follow suit. My take is that there is no reason to censor this or not have a show because it might upset some people.

And I don't know what you are talking about in your second paragraph.

Exactly. You're for a show (like a lot of other white Americans) that will almost certainly depict people of color in mainly low class roles and situations

Me (and a lot of other black Americans) are weary of yet ANOTHER production of black people as slaves. It's a played out, lazy narrative. Its historical porn you don't have to be ashamed watching. Sorry for not apologizing for being against some 2018 version of roots
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Look, at the end of the day, HBO will or wont put it out and yall either will or wont watch it

Just dont act all surprised and indignant when you get the side eye from that black person at your job when you eagerly try to bring it up in the "so what are you watching?" conversations. They are literally telling you right now why they're not here for it. Its your choice to listen or to be combative
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This show is is getting advertisement just because of how controversial it is, if people really don't like the idea then don't watch the show and tell others not to support it because of it being offensive.
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A) We know literally nothing about the show other than the base premise, so dumb to get upset about it. Or to get overly excited about it.
B) It's alternative historical fiction. Portraying something does not mean you support something. Does Man in the High Castle support fascism as a political ideology? Of fucking course not.
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Shit at this point maybe I should watch it just to piss off frisbeedoof
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Exactly. You're for a show (like a lot of other white Americans) that will almost certainly depict people of color in mainly low class roles and situations

Me (and a lot of other black Americans) are weary of yet ANOTHER production of black people as slaves. It's a played out, lazy narrative. Its historical porn you don't have to be ashamed watching. Sorry for not apologizing for being against some 2018 version of roots

I'm pretty sure like 99% of movies where black people are depicted as slaves is considered Oscar bait and that slavery is always depicted as a thoroughly bad thing in every movie to come out since 1939
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There is nothing lazy about this, it's a fresh twist. I don't even understand what point you are trying to make.

You think a series about life where slavery never ended is fresh...cool
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The man in the castle is a show about America had the allies lost and Germany/Japan split the US between the two of them. Sheriffs rolling around with swastikas, Americans heiling Hitler...

Where is the outrage
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Coming in a few years? Damn, I knew I shouldn't have bothered with this topic. Bring it back up then.
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What's the difference between choosing not to watch a show and boycotting it?
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bladegash posted...

The man in the castle is a show about America had the allies lost and Germany/Japan split the US between the two of them. Sheriffs rolling around with swastikas, Americans heiling Hitler...

Where is the outrage

So because one group doesn't care, we arent allowed to? lmao fuck outta here
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FrisbeeDude posted...

bladegash posted...

The man in the castle is a show about America had the allies lost and Germany/Japan split the US between the two of them. Sheriffs rolling around with swastikas, Americans heiling Hitler...

Where is the outrage

So because one group doesn't care, we arent allowed to? lmao fuck outta here

Or... Hear me out.... Or....

That group that doesn't like it can shut the fuck up and get over it?

They are fictional shows about shit that never happened and never will happen... Bc history has, actually factually, already decided a different path.
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This show is gonna be revolutionary in its ability to offend both the left and the right. :o The left will condemn it as a racist power fantasy, the right will condemn it for a "hateful" view of the antebellum south and "mah kulture!!!"
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Abyssea posted...

This show is gonna be revolutionary in its ability to offend both the left and the right. :o The left will condemn it as a racist power fantasy, the right will condemn it for a "hateful" view of the antebellum south and "mah kulture!!!"

It will be glorious!
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