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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/03/18 12:27:53 PM
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They want open borders and no check points to stop drugs, weapons, animals, sex trafficking, or terrorists?
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Muffinz0rz
07/03/18 12:28:28 PM
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they do?
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Genocet_10-325
07/03/18 12:28:42 PM
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you realize ICE was formed in 2003 right

I don't remember the US having open borders prior to 2003
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CyricZ
07/03/18 12:30:49 PM
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Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"
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frozenshock
07/03/18 12:31:28 PM
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We won't abolish ICE if you don't abolish ice from the north pole.

Deal?
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MrK3V
07/03/18 12:31:42 PM
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You should inform yourself and do some research before making a topic.
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_OujiDoza_
07/03/18 12:35:04 PM
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MrK3V posted...
You should inform yourself and do some research before making a topic.

He's a conservative, you've got no shot at actual research and truth with those lot.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:35:50 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders
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Genocet_10-325
07/03/18 12:36:28 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders

No, she doesn't

Stop making shit up Mal
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AlephZero
07/03/18 12:36:44 PM
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>deputy chair of the DNC wears shirt that reads "I don't believe in borders"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=u1cB6CbNs_o

what did he mean by this
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sktgamer_13dude
07/03/18 12:36:47 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders

Mal again talking about things he doesnt understand. Must be a day ending in -y
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Balrog0
07/03/18 12:36:49 PM
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CBP enforces immigration law at the border btw
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Veggeta X
07/03/18 12:37:02 PM
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frozenshock posted...
We won't abolish ICE if you don't abolish ice from the north pole.

Deal?

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legendary_zell
07/03/18 12:39:32 PM
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ICE isn't border control. ICE is a recently created agency with a terrible reputation and a terrible culture. ICE only handles internal enforcement.
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pikachupwnage
07/03/18 12:43:25 PM
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So they want to raise the ocean level? All the outrage over global warming was fake?
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:44:07 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders

Mal again talking about things he doesnt understand. Must be a day ending in -y

Here's a tweet from the NYC DSA, Ocasio-Cortez' party

https://twitter.com/nycdsa/status/1012808259818926080

You gonna eat that crow now, or will you save it for later @sktgamer_13dude
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Balrog0
07/03/18 12:48:07 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Here's a tweet from the NYC DSA, Ocasio-Cortez' party

https://twitter.com/nycdsa/status/1012808259818926080

You gonna eat that crow now, or will you save it for later @sktgamer_13dude


you can look at what she's said herself instead though

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1000457866929680386

Like warrantless wiretapping, the extrajudicial and unaccountable nature of ICE is essentially built as a maiden in waiting for authoritarian abuse of power.

In fact, the folks who panic about the idea of #abolishICE seem to forget that we had a system before it: the INS.

The INS forwarded crimes to the Department of Justice.

That is exactly how it should be done.

Immigration should primarily be seen through two lenses (arguably 1-2 others):

1. Foreign policy
2. Criminal justice

1. Immigration as foreign policy

Families do not all come to the US because they spontaneously feel like it. They also come because of global trade deals that destabilize local economies, or military interventionism, or regime changes at home.

Whenever we as US citizens agree w/ military actions like weapons deals & air strikes, or when we hop on board with trade deals like NAFTA or the TPP, we should ask ourselves:

Are we prepared to deal with the people who will seek refuge in the US due to our actions?

2. Immigration as Criminal Justice

If a person commits a crime, they should go through due process as outlined in our Constitution. Period.

Thats how it was until 2003. ICE changed all of that, and created an extrajudicial black-box system that has deported >10k US citizens(!)

Heres what must be done:

We must #abolishICE. Its very structure is about as undemocratic and authoritarian as it gets in the US.

We have to replace ICE with an updated INS-like structure that handles crime through the same court system weve had for well over 100 years. /8

tl;dr replace ICE with INS
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 12:48:51 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders

Mal again talking about things he doesnt understand. Must be a day ending in -y

Here's a tweet from the NYC DSA, Ocasio-Cortez' party

https://twitter.com/nycdsa/status/1012808259818926080

You gonna eat that crow now, or will you save it for later @sktgamer_13dude

I don't see her saying that. Maybe pull something up from her Twitter or quotes.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:49:53 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Here's a tweet from the NYC DSA, Ocasio-Cortez' party

https://twitter.com/nycdsa/status/1012808259818926080

You gonna eat that crow now, or will you save it for later @sktgamer_13dude


you can look at what she's said herself instead though

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1000457866929680386

(snip)

Ok so how does any of that disprove that she and her party literally want to abolish borders
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:50:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I don't see her saying that. Maybe pull something up from her Twitter or quotes.

Oh yeah, she's not psychotic, only everyone else in her party is.
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Balrog0
07/03/18 12:51:33 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Ok so how does any of that disprove that she and her party literally want to abolish borders


Was my tl;dr seriously too long for you? INS stands for Immigration and Naturalization Service, the agency that enforced immigration laws prior to 2003. If you don't have a border, you don't need INS...
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Balrog0
07/03/18 12:52:36 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
I don't see her saying that. Maybe pull something up from her Twitter or quotes.

Oh yeah, she's not psychotic, only everyone else in her party is.


do you think Ron Paul is racist because he regularly published racist news letters and recently tweeted a racist meme?

Or would you perhaps give him some leeway and maybe say that his staff are to blame, so maybe he is bad at associating with people, but he isn't personally racist?
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 12:52:40 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
I don't see her saying that. Maybe pull something up from her Twitter or quotes.

Oh yeah, she's not psychotic, only everyone else in her party is.

Bro you might want to look up how to properly season all that crow you're preparing.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:52:48 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Ok so how does any of that disprove that she and her party literally want to abolish borders


Was my tl;dr seriously too long for you? INS stands for Immigration and Naturalization Service, the agency that enforced immigration laws prior to 2003. If you don't have a border, you don't need INS...

Abolishing ICE for immigration enforcement with less teeth would be the natural first step towards abolishing borders.
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:53:29 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
do you think Ron Paul is racist because he regularly published racist news letters and recently tweeted a racist meme?

Or would you perhaps give him some leeway and maybe say that his staff are to blame, so maybe he is bad at associating with people, but he isn't personally racist?

Has anyone in her party denounced the tweet saying "abolish borders" yet?
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sktgamer_13dude
07/03/18 12:53:34 PM
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But guys, someone marching said it, so she obviously said it too!

*dies looking for her saying she wants to ban borders*
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 12:53:48 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
I don't see her saying that. Maybe pull something up from her Twitter or quotes.

Oh yeah, she's not psychotic, only everyone else in her party is.


do you think Ron Paul is racist because he regularly published racist news letters and recently tweeted a racist meme?

Or would you perhaps give him some leeway and maybe say that his staff are to blame, so maybe he is bad at associating with people, but he isn't personally racist?

Would Mal say that Milo himself is a white supremacist or just the people he frequently surrounds himself with?
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Genocet_10-325
07/03/18 12:54:14 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Ok so how does any of that disprove that she and her party literally want to abolish borders


Was my tl;dr seriously too long for you? INS stands for Immigration and Naturalization Service, the agency that enforced immigration laws prior to 2003. If you don't have a border, you don't need INS...

Abolishing ICE for immigration enforcement with less teeth would be the natural first step towards abolishing borders.

Slippery slope fallacy? Come on mal you can do better than that
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:54:48 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
But guys, someone marching said it,

It's the official Twitter account for their party...not a random marcher...what's so hard to understand here
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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:55:40 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Ok so how does any of that disprove that she and her party literally want to abolish borders


Was my tl;dr seriously too long for you? INS stands for Immigration and Naturalization Service, the agency that enforced immigration laws prior to 2003. If you don't have a border, you don't need INS...

Abolishing ICE for immigration enforcement with less teeth would be the natural first step towards abolishing borders.

Slippery slope fallacy? Come on mal you can do better than that

It's not a slippery slope when the end of that slope is the stated goal of the Democratic Socialists
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Darkman124
07/03/18 12:56:54 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Would Mal say that Milo himself is a white supremacist or just the people he frequently surrounds himself with?


personally, i would say milo is a journalist, loudly, while as close as possible to Jarrod Ramos.
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Samurontai
07/03/18 12:57:20 PM
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Jfc, why does Mal reach so hard in literally every discussion he participates in
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 12:58:36 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Would Mal say that Milo himself is a white supremacist or just the people he frequently surrounds himself with?


personally, i would say milo is a journalist, loudly, while as close as possible to Jarrod Ramos.

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Sephiroth1288
07/03/18 12:58:40 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Would Mal say that Milo himself is a white supremacist or just the people he frequently surrounds himself with?

If Milo joined a National Socialist Party, I would agree he was a white supremacist.

Along with anyone else who joined the NSP.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/03/18 12:58:41 PM
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_OujiDoza_ posted...
MrK3V posted...
You should inform yourself and do some research before making a topic.

He's a conservative, you've got no shot at actual research and truth with those lot.


Im not a conservative... I support open borders. I'd also ban ice...

Muffinz0rz posted...
they do?


The news just said so. Although it said two had already come out in opposition so not all.

Genocet_10-325 posted...
you realize ICE was formed in 2003 right

I don't remember the US having open borders prior to 2003


"created" by merging agencies that already existed...
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 1:01:27 PM
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Spooking posted...
We already have 13 million+ illegal aliens in the US. Why do you think we aren't upgrading our infrastructure or working on affordable housing? It's because they are taking advantage of the system and we have no money for actual citizens.

What do illegal immigrants have to do with the price of tea in China?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/03/18 1:03:11 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Spooking posted...
We already have 13 million+ illegal aliens in the US. Why do you think we aren't upgrading our infrastructure or working on affordable housing? It's because they are taking advantage of the system and we have no money for actual citizens.

What do illegal immigrants have to do with the price of tea in China?


Nothing but somewhere along the line when thinks we're going their way they started looking for someone to blame. Instead of moving forward they decided it was easier to blame others and wallow in self pity.
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A_Good_Boy
07/03/18 1:05:56 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Spooking posted...
We already have 13 million+ illegal aliens in the US. Why do you think we aren't upgrading our infrastructure or working on affordable housing? It's because they are taking advantage of the system and we have no money for actual citizens.

What do illegal immigrants have to do with the price of tea in China?


Nothing but somewhere along the line when thinks we're going their way they started looking for someone to blame. Instead of moving forward they decided it was easier to blame others and wallow in self pity.

When did this topic become about bashing conservatives?
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mistalightbulb
07/03/18 1:07:03 PM
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Spooking posted...
We already have 13 million+ illegal aliens in the US. Why do you think we aren't upgrading our infrastructure or working on affordable housing? It's because they are taking advantage of the system and we have no money for actual citizens.


how does one get this dumb?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/03/18 1:09:34 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Spooking posted...
We already have 13 million+ illegal aliens in the US. Why do you think we aren't upgrading our infrastructure or working on affordable housing? It's because they are taking advantage of the system and we have no money for actual citizens.

What do illegal immigrants have to do with the price of tea in China?


Nothing but somewhere along the line when thinks we're going their way they started looking for someone to blame. Instead of moving forward they decided it was easier to blame others and wallow in self pity.

When did this topic become about bashing conservatives?


When you asked what his post had to do with anything? I explained what it had to do with the topic.
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BLAKUboy
07/03/18 1:10:36 PM
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mistalightbulb posted...
how does one get this dumb?

By watching nothing but Fox News and confining oneself to an echo chamber on Facebook/Twitter.
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Paper_Okami
07/03/18 1:12:22 PM
#44:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CyricZ posted...
Tonight on "That's Not What That Thing Does"

That Democrat darling Ocasio literally wants to ban borders

Mal again talking about things he doesnt understand. Must be a day ending in -y

Here's a tweet from the NYC DSA, Ocasio-Cortez' party

https://twitter.com/nycdsa/status/1012808259818926080

You gonna eat that crow now, or will you save it for later @sktgamer_13dude


Lmao dsa is not a poltical party and I say this as a dues paying member of dsa
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