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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:14:30 PM
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If people don't want a baby, they shouldn't be forced to have one, otherwise they will be forced with one of two options:

1. Keep the baby and raise it, resenting it forever because it destroyed their hopes and dreams (and finance), it will grow up and repeat the process

2. Give it up for adoption where it will end up in an overcrowded orphanage and learn to hate the world

Or instead they could just abort the clump of cells and save everyone the trouble. Is human life really that valuable? Does anyone actually give a shit if some random couple decides they don't want a child and terminates a pregnancy in the first trimester? People are so eager to curse other people yet when it's an unborn fetus suddenly it's so incredibly important to them. Get real. Nobody actually cares.

I say let's not bring in more children for the Hell of it
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:17:39 PM
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What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?
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joestarrr
06/29/18 1:18:09 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


.....this isn't a thing that happens lmfao
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Genocet_10-325
06/29/18 1:19:11 PM
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joestarrr posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


.....this isn't a thing that happens lmfao

Leave it to Republicans to make shit up to support their bullshit arguments. Pathetic.
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ThePredominate
06/29/18 1:19:15 PM
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I totally agree with you, but the title was really bad taste.
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treewojima
06/29/18 1:19:59 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


nobody does this
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:20:06 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.
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Zikten
06/29/18 1:20:13 PM
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as someone who has an adopted sibling, I can't think about abortion without wondering why they can't just put them up for adoption for some other family to love them
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Solar_Crimson
06/29/18 1:21:39 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

If they made it that far, there's no way the couple will abort.

Also, there's no way to tell when exactly she will give birth.
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treewojima
06/29/18 1:21:56 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.


lmfao you're a sociopath
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:22:06 PM
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Zikten posted...
as someone who has an adopted sibling, I can't think about abortion without wondering why they can't just put them up for adoption for some other family to love them

Because then you're forcing a woman to fart out a baby that literally nobody wanted. Go ahead and tape a bowling ball to your belly for 9 months and see how long you enjoy it
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DundiesAward
06/29/18 1:23:04 PM
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What about a guy who gets a girl pregnant from a one night stand. Doesn't he have no choice in the matter. If the woman decides to keep it that is 18 years of child support he can't avoid.
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:23:07 PM
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Lol I'm not even Republican. I'm pro abortion, but I'm not callous about it like the rest of you.

Abortion is no different from taking a dump the way you guys talk about it.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:23:12 PM
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treewojima posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.


lmfao you're a sociopath

I just truly do not care about fetuses, I don't consider them humans as they are not entitled to basic human rights.
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Solar_Crimson
06/29/18 1:23:16 PM
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Zikten posted...
as someone who has an adopted sibling, I can't think about abortion without wondering why they can't just put them up for adoption for some other family to love them

Because the adoption system in the US is already overcrowded. And minority children--especially Black children--have an especially hard time finding families to adopt them.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:24:15 PM
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DundiesAward posted...
What about a guy who gets a girl pregnant from a one night stand. Doesn't he have no choice in the matter. If the woman decides to keep it that is 18 years of child support he can't avoid.

Men should be allowed to financially abort children, they sign an agreement that they owe no money but give up any right to parenthood.

It will never happen though because courts get kickbacks from child support payments
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Woodger
06/29/18 1:25:03 PM
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We're all just clumps of cells. Abortions for everyone!
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 1:25:24 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.
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trappedunderice
06/29/18 1:27:04 PM
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I wish I would have been aborted.
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:27:23 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.


It's a hypothetical. It makes you think about the situation in a broader sense as opposed to just thinking about early abortions.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 1:28:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
as someone who has an adopted sibling, I can't think about abortion without wondering why they can't just put them up for adoption for some other family to love them


As a person who has an adopted sibling andwho was himself adopted, I have no moral issues with abortion and have no negative feelings regarding the fact that I could have been aborted.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:28:46 PM
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Squall28 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.


It's a hypothetical. It makes you think about the situation in a broader sense as opposed to just thinking about early abortions.

Nah it's actually just a weak appeal to emotion that collapses under the smallest shred of scrutiny.
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treewojima
06/29/18 1:32:42 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
treewojima posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.


lmfao you're a sociopath

I just truly do not care about fetuses, I don't consider them humans as they are not entitled to basic human rights.


sounds like you need to brush up on your biology
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:33:50 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.


It's a hypothetical. It makes you think about the situation in a broader sense as opposed to just thinking about early abortions.

Nah it's actually just a weak appeal to emotion that collapses under the smallest shred of scrutiny.


What scrutiny? Most of the posters in this topic just got mad, and didn't even answer the question because they know it's a terrible thing to do and makes them uncomfortable about their super pro abortion stance.

Abortion should be legal, but there should be clear limitations like the situation I just described.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:35:06 PM
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treewojima posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
treewojima posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.


lmfao you're a sociopath

I just truly do not care about fetuses, I don't consider them humans as they are not entitled to basic human rights.


sounds like you need to brush up on your biology

That is not a question of biology, but of the law. A fetus is not a human, they do not have human rights in the eyes of the law.

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Balrog0
06/29/18 1:35:26 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?

Personally I say fucking go for it because a baby is barely even alive and wouldn't remember it anyway. But for the sake of people's feelings my official answer is that if it can survive outside the womb then it would be morally wrong to terminate. That's roughly 26 weeks for 90% of fetuses, or the third trimester.


I endorse this post.
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06/29/18 1:36:41 PM
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"Is human life really that valuable?"

That quote is why mental health is a serious problem.
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:38:42 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
That is not a question of biology, but of the law. A fetus is not a human, they do not have human rights in the eyes of the law.

Womp womp


The law is malleable. The entire abortion debate is about changing laws. Fetus can have human rights in the eyes of the law if the government chooses to make it so.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:39:04 PM
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Squall28 posted...
What scrutiny? Most of the posters in this topic just got mad, and didn't even answer the question because they know it's a terrible thing to do and makes them uncomfortable about their super pro abortion stance.

Nope, your question is basically "is it okay to kill a baby?" You say one day before birth because you know that people will think "baby" instead of "fetus," people that are pro-abortion are supportive of protecting a woman's rights to her own body by terminating a fetus, that's where their logic and beliefs are found, not in taking a baby and killing it.

You set up a strawman and got mad that nobody took the bait.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 1:39:55 PM
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Squall28 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.


It's a hypothetical. It makes you think about the situation in a broader sense as opposed to just thinking about early abortions.


It doesn't though. It's like saying "well what if a unicorn velociraptor flew out of your ass and started pissing money?" It's dumb and it doesn't happen and thinking about it as though it would is pointless. What even is the endgame of thinking about it? "Oh yeah that would be different from how abortion is handled now therefore I should think about abortion as it is now the same way I think about it when it is different." or something? It's just not a good hypothetical and if anything it encourages narrow-minded thinking, not broader thinking.
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clearaflagrantj
06/29/18 1:41:10 PM
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--Zero- posted...
"Is human life really that valuable?"

That quote is why mental health is a serious problem.

Is human life valuable in general though.

My argument is that most humans don't actually give a shit about anyone else other than their friends and family, so they for damn sure wouldn't care about some stupid little fetus, most prolife arguments aren't concerned about preserving life, that's just an excuse to spread their dogma and impose their will on women.
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Romulox28
06/29/18 1:44:32 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
--Zero- posted...
"Is human life really that valuable?"

That quote is why mental health is a serious problem.

Is human life valuable in general though.

My argument is that most humans don't actually give a shit about anyone else other than their friends and family, so they for damn sure wouldn't care about some stupid little fetus, most prolife arguments aren't concerned about preserving life, that's just an excuse to spread their dogma and impose their will on women.

"human beings do not have deity-level empathy, ergo human life is not valuable"
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Squall28
06/29/18 1:55:24 PM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What scrutiny? Most of the posters in this topic just got mad, and didn't even answer the question because they know it's a terrible thing to do and makes them uncomfortable about their super pro abortion stance.

Nope, your question is basically "is it okay to kill a baby?" You say one day before birth because you know that people will think "baby" instead of "fetus," people that are pro-abortion are supportive of protecting a woman's rights to her own body by terminating a fetus, that's where their logic and beliefs are found, not in taking a baby and killing it.

You set up a strawman and got mad that nobody took the bait.


I said one day before birth because I want you to view abortion with a broader lense. Abortion isn't just a good and bad thing. It's something with a lot of gray that changes a lot depending on the situation. I merely gave the most extreme example to get you guys to budge on it and throw out the clump of cell mindset.

And machete, people literally kill their babies after birth. Don't pretend it's a hypothetical in the same line as a unicorn.
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metralo
06/29/18 1:56:47 PM
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Squall28 posted...

And machete, people literally kill their babies after birth.


conservatives don't give a shit about that, luckily for them
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 2:02:11 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
--Zero- posted...
"Is human life really that valuable?"

That quote is why mental health is a serious problem.

Is human life valuable in general though.

My argument is that most humans don't actually give a shit about anyone else other than their friends and family, so they for damn sure wouldn't care about some stupid little fetus, most prolife arguments aren't concerned about preserving life, that's just an excuse to spread their dogma and impose their will on women.

"human beings do not have deity-level empathy, ergo human life is not valuable"


If human life is valuable, what makes it so? Sell me on the idea.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 2:04:11 PM
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Squall28 posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Squall28 posted...
What if a couple wants to abort a day before birthing? Opinion?


What would ever possess a person to believe that anyone would ever, under any circumstances only arrive at that decision that late in the pregnancy? Try thinking before you type some time.


It's a hypothetical. It makes you think about the situation in a broader sense as opposed to just thinking about early abortions.

Nah it's actually just a weak appeal to emotion that collapses under the smallest shred of scrutiny.


What scrutiny? Most of the posters in this topic just got mad, and didn't even answer the question because they know it's a terrible thing to do and makes them uncomfortable about their super pro abortion stance.

Abortion should be legal, but there should be clear limitations like the situation I just described.


So... things should remain just as they are currently. Did we need an asinine hypothetical to arrive at the conclusion we've already arrived at? Seems redundant >_>
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/29/18 2:06:59 PM
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Squall28 posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Squall28 posted...
What scrutiny? Most of the posters in this topic just got mad, and didn't even answer the question because they know it's a terrible thing to do and makes them uncomfortable about their super pro abortion stance.

Nope, your question is basically "is it okay to kill a baby?" You say one day before birth because you know that people will think "baby" instead of "fetus," people that are pro-abortion are supportive of protecting a woman's rights to her own body by terminating a fetus, that's where their logic and beliefs are found, not in taking a baby and killing it.

You set up a strawman and got mad that nobody took the bait.


And machete, people literally kill their babies after birth. Don't pretend it's a hypothetical in the same line as a unicorn.


Which is illegal. What's the relevance?
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