Current Events > Why don't most pro-life people act like an atrocity is happening?

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The most charitable view of the pro-life position is that they wholeheartedly believe a fetus or a zygote is a living human being that is completely innocent. Thus an abortion is the murder of the most innocent people in society, before they get a chance to do anything. This is happening in the millions, especially to poor people and POC. That's millions of lives snuffed out every year right? If taken seriously, how is that not by far the biggest issue in society? How are people claiming they are pro-life and living normal lives and not in a constant uproar if a baby holocaust is going on, right in their backyard?

Instead, I see most of the venom concerning abortion directed at women's sexual activity, advocating limiting sexual education, limiting access to contraception etc, none of which is likely to reduce the number of abortions, while doing the opposite has been proven to save lives. I see people supporting the abortion in the case of sexual assault which seems strange

There's definitely a small class of true believers who act as you'd expect if they really thought the problem with abortion is that babies are dying. They do terrible things like bomb clinics, harass women, and support hyper-controlling and punitive laws, but that makes sense if you really think lives are at stake.

So WTF are these other "pro-life" people doing then? There's been tons of debates, even on this site about abortion and not once did I get the sense that people truly believed innocent lives were at stake. From the discussions I've seen about abortion here and elsewhere, the actions/inaction and rhetoric of 95% of pro-lifers make much more sense if the driving goal issue is controlling women and punishing them for sexual activity that is immoral in their view.
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Pro life people don't actually care about fetuses, they just wanna punish women for having sex

because "pro-life" people aren't pro life. they're pro-controlling women.

they don't give a flying fuck about kids once they're born. the kids could go straight to the fucking grinder for all they care.
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Are you asking "Why aren't pro-lifers less reasonable?" There legitimately are pro-lifers who think that the ability of a woman to voluntarily get an abortion means a genocide is going on and they're as annoying as the pro-choicers who frame the whole thing as hatred and oppression of women.
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Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?
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SenTedCruz posted...

Are you asking "Why aren't pro-lifers less reasonable?" There legitimately are pro-lifers who think that the ability of a woman to voluntarily get an abortion means a genocide is going on and they're as annoying as the pro-choicers who frame the whole thing as hatred and oppression of women.

What's a "reasonable" reaction to a holocaust? This is a very strange thing to "same thing both sides" about. If they are right there IS a holocaust going on and the children must be protected, yet they don't act like that at all.

DarkTransient posted...

Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?

I'm not advocating for illegal actions, I'm asking for an explanation of why people who think there's a holocaust going on don't take to the streets in protest, incessantly call their legislators, advocate any measure that reduces the number of abortions, push for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, push for science proving that fetuses have the features of person-hood, etc. It should be an issue that causes moral outrage even greater than what slavery caused, but instead it's merely a wedge issue that again seems to be driven far more by sexual conservatism than a desire to save lives.
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legendary_zell posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?

I'm not advocating for illegal actions, I'm asking for an explanation of why people who think there's a holocaust going on don't take to the streets in protest, incessantly call their legislators, advocate any measure that reduces the number of abortions, push for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, push for science proving that fetuses have the features of person-hood, etc. It should be an issue that causes moral outrage even greater than what slavery caused, but instead it's merely a wedge issue that again seems to be driven far more by sexual conservatism than a desire to save lives.

Taking to the streets in protest and incessantly calling their legislators (as opposed to doing it on occasion) is much harder when you actually work to support yourself and your family instead of depending on parent / government handouts.

The rest... they, y'kno, kinda do do those things?
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legendary_zell posted...

What's a "reasonable" reaction to a holocaust? This is a very strange thing to "same thing both sides" about. If they are right there IS a holocaust going on and the children must be protected, yet they don't act like that at all.

Not everyone says that lol.

And, like the other guy said, you shouldn't be encouraging your political opponents to go out and punch their enemies in the face, unless you just want to use it to point fingers about how bad they are. And the fact that they're not doing that shows they're not that bad.
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DarkTransient posted...

legendary_zell posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Because that side of the political spectrum generally prefers to do things through the proper, legal, channels?

I'm not advocating for illegal actions, I'm asking for an explanation of why people who think there's a holocaust going on don't take to the streets in protest, incessantly call their legislators, advocate any measure that reduces the number of abortions, push for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, push for science proving that fetuses have the features of person-hood, etc. It should be an issue that causes moral outrage even greater than what slavery caused, but instead it's merely a wedge issue that again seems to be driven far more by sexual conservatism than a desire to save lives.

Taking to the streets in protest and incessantly calling their legislators (as opposed to doing it on occasion) is much harder when you actually work to support yourself and your family instead of depending on parent / government handouts.

The rest... they, y'kno, kinda do do those things?

This is basically email chain letter level conservatism. Har har, libs don't have jobs so they protest, while conservatives pay taxes and raise families. Conservatives had time to go to Tea Party rallies and Trump rallies (the biggest of all time, right?), but not enough to call their legislators more than a few times a year or protest about millions of babies being killed? They have time to live normal lives with fun, but they don't care about that? And they see that whatever "civil" approach they're taking isn't working and is leading to more death, but they don't change? That reflects very poorly on them at best. But you might be right considering this same group of people's reaction to other horrible things.

I've worked for legislators in conservative states dealing with healthcare related stuff and we never got a call related to abortion, even when healthcare was by far the biggest issue a few years ago. But people definitely call their school and complain about sex ed.

Again, this should be significantly worse than slavery in their minds and yet most spend what little energy they spend on shaming and telling women to keep their legs closed.
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I mean, this is why you do see a handful of abortion doctors get murdered, clinics get attacked, etc. But you are correct that the rhetoric and logic is rather out of step with the proposed solution.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Pro life people don't actually care about fetuses, they just wanna punish women for having sex

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Its because people have been tricked by the normalcy of it all. There are many many examples of a population being indifferent to an ongoing genocide.
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metralo posted...

because "pro-life" people aren't pro life. they're pro-controlling women.

they don't give a flying fuck about kids once they're born. the kids could go straight to the fucking grinder for all they care.

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Russman posted...

Its because people have been tricked by the normalcy of it all. There are many many examples of a population being indifferent to an ongoing genocide.

Thanks for this. This seems like it could be an explanation if people truly feel abortion is murder. However, it doesn't seem like it fully applies. My impression is that most people in that situation would deny the genocide exists or victim blame when they're indifferent to it, not affirmatively argue that it exists, identify themselves as someone who thinks it's happening....and then mostly ignore it and direct most of the time they do spend on it moralizing and head shaking.
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