Current Events > Why isn't White Supremacy taken more seriously as a threat?

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Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

White supremacy in general is a threat to all americans. They have been proven they are willing to kill and commit terror attacks. They have about as much chance as ISIS does at "overthrowing democracy" though

Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

Where is it? Use full sentences.
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Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat

(citation needed)
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Axiom posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

White supremacy in general is a threat to all americans. They have been proven they are willing to kill and commit terror atacks

You're contradicting yourself, then. If they're a threat to all Americans then by definition they're a threat to the country.

You're going in circles and ignoring the points you can't defend. You don't strike me as an honest individual.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

Where is it? Use full sentences.

He just used a full sentence
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DarthAragorn posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

Where is it? Use full sentences.

He just used a full sentence

Didn't even have punctuation.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

If they're a threat to all Americans then by definition they're a threat to the country.

Americans as in the individual americans not America the country

A_Good_Boy posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat to the people that live there

They are a threat to all americans

I'm seeing a discrepancy here

Where is it? Use full sentences.

No full sentences for you!
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SenTedCruz posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat

(citation needed)

Citation that they took over a town or that taking over one is a threat.

If it's the latter than what kind of moron has to ask that question?
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Axiom posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

If they're a threat to all Americans then by definition they're a threat to the country.

Americans as in the individual americans not America the country

lmao
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Zeeak4444 posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat

(citation needed)

Citation that they took over a town or that taking over one is a threat.

If it's the latter than what kind of moron has to ask that question?

He's a gimmick account
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat

(citation needed)

Citation that they took over a town or that taking over one is a threat.

If it's the latter than what kind of moron has to ask that question?

He's a gimmick account

Ya I should have checked the name and info first. My bad.
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because it's the conservative natural response to the liberal BLM, antifia and their constant lunatics like Maxine Waters. I mean does the left really think they wouldn't create a natural kick back response to crap like BLM inciting violence or schools demanding days for colored people only(hilarious irony really) or shortly after trump got elected the tolerant left saying "and i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house".

honestly....did the left expect the right to literally not response in kind?

thats literally how Trump won, he's a somewhat conservative who is a nationalist who says fuck everyone but my fellow americans.....which and this may be shocking to the left, many americans like every other country only give a fuck about their own country.

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and i'll add....did the tolerant liberal left really not expect white people to eventually figure out that everyone gets special rights but them and that eventually they'd say this is pure bullshit?

Axiom posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

If they're a threat to all Americans then by definition they're a threat to the country.

Americans as in the individual americans not America the country

The nation is just the individuals who live there at its most basic level.

Zeeak4444 posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Axiom posted...

Neo nazis taking over a town is a threat

(citation needed)

Citation that they took over a town or that taking over one is a threat.

If it's the latter than what kind of moron has to ask that question?

Citation that it's a credible threat, because he's drawing a distinction between them and ISIS. As if it wouldn't be a threat if ISIS literally managed to occupy New York City.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Axiom posted...

"White supremacy isn't a threat". Meanwhile they try to take over towns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/27/the-mayor-of-tiny-north-dakota-town-shaken-by-neo-nazi-wants-to-dissolve-its-government/

Cobb began buying up cheap properties in the town and posting messages on neo-Nazi online forums, inviting fellow white supremacists to move to the town. In 2013, he had given lots to a former grand dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and another to the founder of a white supremacist website, the Bismarck Tribune reported. Nazi flags began appearing in Leith, and Cobb slowly plotted to take control of the city council.

Doesn't that town have like 50 people living in it? Hardly a threat. They'll never get anywhere.

Sounds like a prime location for an organization like this or a cult. A lot of people didn't take Jonestown seriously either.

I don't see how a segregated religious cult that committed suicide en masse has any relevance to whether or not a town of 20 people poses a threat to American democracy. I also don't see how the Oklahoma Bombings have anything to do with my explanation that I offered in response to your topic title.

Threat to American democracy? Wtf are you talking about?

I meant threat in a general sense. Like any terror or extremist group.
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kayoticdreamz posted...

because it's the conservative natural response to the liberal BLM, antifia and their constant lunatics like Maxine Waters. I mean does the left really think they wouldn't create a natural kick back response to crap like BLM inciting violence or schools demanding days for colored people only(hilarious irony really) or shortly after trump got elected the tolerant left saying "and i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house".

honestly....did the left expect the right to literally not response in kind?

thats literally how Trump won, he's a somewhat conservative who is a nationalist who says fuck everyone but my fellow americans.....which and this may be shocking to the left, many americans like every other country only give a fuck about their own country.

"We kill people cause they say mean things to us. This is a natural reaction from a rational group of people."
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Kineth posted...

Because this country seems to have a problem with admitting its faults, down to the individual level.

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Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Axiom posted...

"White supremacy isn't a threat". Meanwhile they try to take over towns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/27/the-mayor-of-tiny-north-dakota-town-shaken-by-neo-nazi-wants-to-dissolve-its-government/

Cobb began buying up cheap properties in the town and posting messages on neo-Nazi online forums, inviting fellow white supremacists to move to the town. In 2013, he had given lots to a former grand dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and another to the founder of a white supremacist website, the Bismarck Tribune reported. Nazi flags began appearing in Leith, and Cobb slowly plotted to take control of the city council.

Doesn't that town have like 50 people living in it? Hardly a threat. They'll never get anywhere.

Sounds like a prime location for an organization like this or a cult. A lot of people didn't take Jonestown seriously either.

I don't see how a segregated religious cult that committed suicide en masse has any relevance to whether or not a town of 20 people poses a threat to American democracy. I also don't see how the Oklahoma Bombings have anything to do with my explanation that I offered in response to your topic title.

Threat to American democracy? Wtf are you talking about?

I meant threat in a general sense. Like any terror or extremist group.

The answer to your question in the topic title was in my first post. And the answer to the broader question about that town is clear too - a town of 20 people is probably not going to amount to much. Did you want the National Guard to get called in over a town of 20 people or something? What is the expected threat level and appropriate response in your eyes?

What are your thoughts on post #65?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Axiom posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

If they're a threat to all Americans then by definition they're a threat to the country.

Americans as in the individual americans not America the country

lmao

Do you not acknowledge that there's a difference between a threat to the individuals and threats to the country itself

Cause it seems you keep going around and around about this "threat to democracy" point no one even made

Darmik posted...

Threat to American democracy? Wtf are you talking about?

I meant threat in a general sense. Like any terror or extremist group.

I really don't think he gets that even though it's obvious to everyone else

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Axiom posted...

"White supremacy isn't a threat". Meanwhile they try to take over towns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/27/the-mayor-of-tiny-north-dakota-town-shaken-by-neo-nazi-wants-to-dissolve-its-government/

Cobb began buying up cheap properties in the town and posting messages on neo-Nazi online forums, inviting fellow white supremacists to move to the town. In 2013, he had given lots to a former grand dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and another to the founder of a white supremacist website, the Bismarck Tribune reported. Nazi flags began appearing in Leith, and Cobb slowly plotted to take control of the city council.

Doesn't that town have like 50 people living in it? Hardly a threat. They'll never get anywhere.

Sounds like a prime location for an organization like this or a cult. A lot of people didn't take Jonestown seriously either.

I don't see how a segregated religious cult that committed suicide en masse has any relevance to whether or not a town of 20 people poses a threat to American democracy. I also don't see how the Oklahoma Bombings have anything to do with my explanation that I offered in response to your topic title.

Threat to American democracy? Wtf are you talking about?

I meant threat in a general sense. Like any terror or extremist group.

They're taken seriously as a threat in proportion to the threat they pose. Our former FBI director literally spoke at the ADL, a liberal hate group, before he was fired. The same organization which does things like partner with Silicon Valley tech companies to censor political speech in the same way we'd expect "Russian collusion" to be operating if that were a thing.

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A_Good_Boy posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

because it's the conservative natural response to the liberal BLM, antifia and their constant lunatics like Maxine Waters. I mean does the left really think they wouldn't create a natural kick back response to crap like BLM inciting violence or schools demanding days for colored people only(hilarious irony really) or shortly after trump got elected the tolerant left saying "and i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house".

honestly....did the left expect the right to literally not response in kind?

thats literally how Trump won, he's a somewhat conservative who is a nationalist who says fuck everyone but my fellow americans.....which and this may be shocking to the left, many americans like every other country only give a fuck about their own country.

"We kill people cause they say mean things to us. This is a natural reaction from a rational group of people."

You have a problem if you interpreted that post as an advocacy of violence in any way whatsoever.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

because it's the conservative natural response to the liberal BLM, antifia and their constant lunatics like Maxine Waters. I mean does the left really think they wouldn't create a natural kick back response to crap like BLM inciting violence or schools demanding days for colored people only(hilarious irony really) or shortly after trump got elected the tolerant left saying "and i have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house".

honestly....did the left expect the right to literally not response in kind?

thats literally how Trump won, he's a somewhat conservative who is a nationalist who says fuck everyone but my fellow americans.....which and this may be shocking to the left, many americans like every other country only give a fuck about their own country.

"We kill people cause they say mean things to us. This is a natural reaction from a rational group of people."

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SVO1RhsWAvs/maxresdefault.jpg

all those words must have broken this poor mans face.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/election-us-2016-36443664/protesters-attack-trump-supporters-in-california

@Axiom

You've abandoned entire talking points you made and refused to answer direct questions that I asked. Now you're desperately trying to pinhole my views into a weird semantic argument around individuals in a country vs the country itself. Sorry bro but I'm not interested in that bullshit, you clearly aren't interested in a real conversation otherwise you'd have answered the questions that were asked and not ran away from your earlier points.
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I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.
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legendary_zell posted...

I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.

well said

Damn Madfoot really does take any criticism of white supremacy super personally.
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I'll just take that as you acknowledging that you can no longer argue that weird threat to democracy point. Feel free to continue proudcladding it up

SenTedCruz posted...

They're taken seriously as a threat in proportion to the threat they pose.

So what is that in your opinion?
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Bio1590 posted...

Damn Madfoot really does take any criticism of white supremacy super personally.

Not really, I said Atomwaffen is legitimately a complete and total piece of shit. They're a terrorist group that deserves to be criticized and monitored by the feds while OP opened up with basically "But what about Steam avatars?".
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Bio1590 posted...

Damn Madfoot really does take any criticism of white supremacy super personally.

legendary_zell posted...

I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.

You're pretty much proving the point I made in post #36 though. You're eager to mention that people have a self-serving definition for white supremacism, but you refuse to acknowledge how many self-serving definitions there are.

You have an entire generation of people constructing a religious framework in which everything and anything can and must be analyzed and interpreted in a way in which white supremacy is involved or responsible or related or at the root. And that causes fatigue in the discourse because it cheapens actual uncontested examples of white supremacy. No one denies that the neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd of protesters is a white supremacist, for example. But when you tell white people that everything and anything is because of white supremacy or an example of white supremacy, you end up having people who just tune out the religious rhetoric. Which might be why TC perceives it being taken as less of a threat.
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@Axiom

You gonna address posts #54 or #65 or #69?
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Terrorism? Check!
Video games? Check!
Russia? Check!

Bingo! Yahtzee!
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SenTedCruz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Damn Madfoot really does take any criticism of white supremacy super personally.

Not really, I said Atomwaffen is legitimately a complete and total piece of shit. They're a terrorist group that deserves to be criticized and monitored by the feds while OP opened up with basically "But what about Steam avatars?".

No I didn't. I opened up with an ex-white supremacist who's talking about extremist groups who use video games to recruit people.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

You have an entire generation of people constructing a religious framework in which everything and anything can and must be analyzed and interpreted in a way in which white supremacy is involved or responsible or related or at the root. And that causes fatigue in the discourse because it cheapens actual uncontested examples of white supremacy. No one denies that the neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd of protesters is a white supremacist, for example.

The problem I'm talking about is that those groups of people are being overlooked and ignored too until it's too late. I don't think 'fatigue' is a good excuse at all.
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Darmik posted...

The problem I'm talking about is that those groups of people are being overlooked and ignored too until it's too late. I don't think 'fatigue' is a good excuse at all.

It doesn't matter what you think is a good/justified excuse or not, what matters is whether or not the explanation is valid, IE whether or not it actually explains a piece of the puzzle.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

The problem I'm talking about is that those groups of people are being overlooked and ignored too until it's too late. I don't think 'fatigue' is a good excuse at all.

It doesn't matter what you think is a good/justified excuse or not, what matters is whether or not the explanation is valid, IE whether or not it actually explains a piece of the puzzle.

I don't really think that explains it either. Overlooking these groups isn't something new.
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Darmik posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8umemf/i_am_christian_picciolini_a_former_white/

Did you see a lot of predatory behavior on poor and disenfranchised youth when you were younger in the recruiting methods the groups used? What was the common type of person who would join one of these groups?

Absolutely! We sought marginalized youth and promised them "paradise." Today they are using nefarious tactics like going to depression and mental health forums and in multiplayer gaming to recruit those same people.

You mentioned multiplayer games. Do white supremisists have people who just sit and play Overwatch, League, that type of thing and just spam their slurs or what is that tactic like?

They drop benign hints and then ramp up when hooked.

Fortnight, Minecraft, COD, all of them. Yes, mostly foreign recruiters from Russia and eastern Europe and Poland.

Do you see levels of white supremacy in police today?

Yes, we encouraged people to become cops and go to military. Blend in.

Didn't Trump's Administration take these sorts of groups off of their watch list?

Yes they did, it was one of their first actions

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

The problem I'm talking about is that those groups of people are being overlooked and ignored too until it's too late. I don't think 'fatigue' is a good excuse at all.

It doesn't matter what you think is a good/justified excuse or not, what matters is whether or not the explanation is valid, IE whether or not it actually explains a piece of the puzzle.

I don't really think that explains it either. Overlooking these groups isn't something new.

I mean you're basically just responding to my entire post with a "well I disagree"

Forgive me if I don't think that's substantive or worth anything. Especially after you tried to use the Oklahoma Bombings as a rebuttal to my first post even though you never bothered to explain what the goddam connection is lol.

This entire topic has been such a waste of time. Yall don't give a fuck about having an actual conversation. Neither does legendary_zell, which is why he postures as being objective/informed but then refuses to acknowledge his own hypocrisy/dishonesty.

It's been so utterly pointless to even think a productive conversation could come out of this topic.
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Darmik posted...

ex-white supremacist

Literally Chris Picciolini lol.

Darmik posted...

who's talking about extremist groups who use video games to recruit people.

Doesn't make it any less absurd.

Again, think of what kind of message you're sending when you ask "Why isn't (legitimately dangerous ideology) taken as a threat?" and then your evidence is people shitposting on the internet.
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Nomadic View posted...

Richard Spencer, the face of the alt right, doesnt even have 100k followers.

I really dont think that white supremacy is the wide spread boogeyman that TYT and CNN makes it out to be.

There are at least 8 white supremacists running for office. And then you got people like jeff sessions, sreve king, stephen miller and tom cottom in the government too.

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Darmik posted...

The problem I'm talking about is that those groups of people are being overlooked and ignored too until it's too late. I don't think 'fatigue' is a good excuse at all.

It doesn't matter what you think is a good/justified excuse or not, what matters is whether or not the explanation is valid, IE whether or not it actually explains a piece of the puzzle.

I don't really think that explains it either. Overlooking these groups isn't something new.

I mean you're basically just responding to my entire post with a "well I disagree"

Forgive me if I don't think that's substantive or worth anything. Especially after you tried to use the Oklahoma Bombings as a rebuttal to my first post even though you never bothered to explain what the goddam connection is lol.

This entire topic has been such a waste of time. Yall don't give a fuck about having an actual conversation. Neither does legendary_zell, which is why he postures as being objective/informed but then refuses to acknowledge his own hypocrisy/dishonesty.

It's been so utterly pointless to even think a productive conversation could come out of this topic.

Oh, damn, that's garbage. Steam avatars and an isolated incident from the 90s.

Sometimes Darmik makes the silliest posts lol.

Credit to @Axiom for pointing out Atomwaffen which is an actual and contemporary fucked up thing people don't talk about too often.
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Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

All he wants to do is call himself a proud white ethnonationalist but all those murderous other white ethnonationalists keep on giving his ideology a bad name.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Madfoot is a long time user of CE. I don't how long, but definitely before I joined. Apparently his name "madfoot" comes from his first account, and yes, he is a supremacist.

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

I think I'm saying that white supremacist terrorism is a real threat, and it's shitty and belittles victims of violence to conflate that with 4channers playing video games.

e:

Shuto-uke posted...

There are at least 8 white supremacists running for office. And then you got people like jeff sessions, sreve king, stephen miller and tom cottom in the government too.

Yeah, I wonder why people get defensive about labels when people say stuff like this.
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Shuto-uke posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Madfoot is a long time user of CE. I don't how long, but definitely before I joined. Apparently his name "madfoot" comes from his first account, and yes, he is a supremacist.

I've been on CE a long time and I've literally never seen anyone named Madfoot. I think the only place I might've seen a username like that was once on Hellhole when Burgess was still a mod there.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

All he wants to do is call himself a proud white ethnonationalist but all those murderous other white ethnonationalists keep on giving his ideology a bad name.

"guys! Don't call me a cookie monster! Call me a connosieur of cookies who won't eat anything else!"

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Old user who has a habit of stealing old accounts and has tons of them banned. He's been straight up told by the Mods that if he isn't actually a WS then he really needs to drop the gimmick...and yet here we are.

He also tries to pass himself off as a victim in all this.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Forgive me if I don't think that's substantive or worth anything. Especially after you tried to use the Oklahoma Bombings as a rebuttal to my first post even though you never bothered to explain what the goddam connection is lol.

Because it's an example 20 years ago of a terrorist attack from a white supremacist group where the FBI arrested one guy and was done with it.

Isn't the connection to this topic obvious? It has always happened. You can't blame some college students who make some silly powerpoint presentation.

SenTedCruz posted...

Doesn't make it any less absurd

.Again, think of what kind of message you're sending when you ask "Why isn't (legitimately dangerous ideology) taken as a threat?" and then your evidence is people shitposting on the internet.

Recruitment drives from white supremacist groups isn't 'shitposting'
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