Current Events > It's amusing to see all these so called libertarians for closed borders

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Hypocritical much?
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most libertarians actually arent. a lot trend towards fascism
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foreveraIone posted...

most libertarians actually arent. a lot trend towards fascism

A lot I see on twitter are.
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You'll find that libertarians do have a strong sense of 'trespassing'.

they arent libertarians
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libertarianism is a meme ideology
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most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed
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hortanz posted...

libertarianism is a meme ideology

Actually, yes.
https://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

ThyCorndog posted...

most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed

And then there's also that.

LIsJustice posted...

foreveraIone posted...

most libertarians actually arent. a lot trend towards fascism

A lot I see on twitter are.

I think he was saying most self-proclaimed libertarians aren't actually libertarians.
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Our current welfare state is diametrically opposed to an open border policy tuat actually works.

End the fed. Gut every social program unti it's non-existent. Then open borders can work.
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LIsJustice posted...

Hypocritical much?

Mostly they call for CONTROLLED Borders.. not closed.

Basically anyone with half a brain knows that immigrants are great for a country.

But, if you simply allow everyone into a country that country will simply fall apart and devolve into complete chaos.

The poor get poorer. Job shortages. Crime goes up. People go hungry.. And then the country ends up turning into the same shit hole that the immigrants tried to escape from.

Which in turns forces the police and army to step in, and turn everything into a police state with even crazier restrictive laws.

darkjedilink posted...

Our current welfare state is diametrically opposed to an open border policy tuat actually works.

End the fed. Gut every social program unti it's non-existent. Then open borders can work.

open borders would never work. tens of millions of people would want to move in.
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Hold on.

You mean to tell me that people who want to keep taxes and government services to a minimum don't want more illegal immigrants to drain our taxes and require government services?

Vertania posted...

Hold on.

You mean to tell me that people who want to keep taxes and government services to a minimum don't want more illegal immigrants to drain our taxes and require government services?

Free movement of capital, except not really.
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ThyCorndog posted...

most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed

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i know plenty who would be fine with it if not for the massive government assistance programs

its one reason why I'm not libertarian...love me some small government but we need closed borders obv

Solar_Crimson posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed

What's so bad about that, anyway?

From the Libertarian party platform:

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

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Polycosm posted...

From the Libertarian party platform:

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

At the very least, you did leave that following sentence in there.

https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of lifesome families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.

Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.

Doesn't really sound like the party takes a stance on illegal immigrants. They want to make legal immigration channels more accessible (which is fine), but they apparently don't offer a solution for the immigrants who are and have been illegally crossing/staying.

They also don't seem to be offering a plan on how to filter out the "violent" immigrants right now. Sure, if they go through legal channels, we could probably catch them, but that's not happening.

Libertarians are a variation of republican

just like Green is a variation of Democrat

Vertania posted...

They also don't seem to be offering a plan on how to filter out the "violent" immigrants right now. Sure, if they go through legal channels, we could probably catch them, but that's not happening.

You can't really know that someone is violent until he's been violent.
Going through the legal channels is supposed to be a way to find out who has been, prior to entry.

Questionmarktarius posted...

You can't really know that someone is violent until he's been violent.
Going through the legal channels is supposed to be a way to find out who has been, prior to entry.

Right, but they do also mention "credible plans for violence." Once (or if) the legal channels become more accesible, we can be more effective at blocking violent individuals from entering the US.

But until then, we still have massive amounts coming in unchecked. And even if the legal channels are improved, that doesn't mean the violent ones will suddenly stop trying to get in illegally.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Our current welfare state is diametrically opposed to an open border policy tuat actually works.

End the fed. Gut every social program unti it's non-existent. Then open borders can work.

open borders would never work. tens of millions of people would want to move in.

Without the free ride, why would that matter?
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hortanz posted...

libertarianism is a meme ideology

ThyCorndog posted...

most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

most "libertarians" are conservatives that want to smoke weed

What's so bad about that, anyway?

that it's a lie to say you're libertarian if that's the case. just admit you're a conservative but also weed should be legal. still a basic republican with a different take on one issue.
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