Current Events > Trump:Democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief

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darkjedilink posted...

littlebro07 posted...

How did the ACA break him and his wife up

The ACA caused a spike in family expenses, which helped contribute to my divorce.

Somehow, that's me blaming Obama for my marriage ending.

Do you blame the ACA
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BLAKUboy posted...

CyricZ posted...

Is it factual that the sadness and grief of Democrats is phony?

Please provide proof of this claim.

The proof is their feelings.

Yep Democrats are unfeeling robots.
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littlebro07 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

littlebro07 posted...

How did the ACA break him and his wife up

The ACA caused a spike in family expenses, which helped contribute to my divorce.

Somehow, that's me blaming Obama for my marriage ending.

Do you blame the ACA

For the spike in finances, yes. Solely for the divorce? No, and I never have.
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Children placed with human traffickers under Obama's watch

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/us-placed-immigrant-children-with-traffickers-report-says.html

Abuses at a detention center which included being handcuffed, locked in solitary confinement and being physically abused leading to broken bones which started in 2015 under the Obama Administration

https://www.apnews.com/afc80e51b562462c89907b49ae624e79

A 2015 report that found detention centers in Texas providing unsafe, unsanitary and "widespread deplorable" conditions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

A wrongful death suit against the Obama administration over an immigrant who died in a detention center during his presidency.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/08/29/family-of-immigrant-detainee-sues-president-obama-government-for-wrongful-death/

An ACLU report just released report on cases of violence and abuse towards migrant children between 2009 and 2014.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

It's amazing how the liberal media decides when it's the right time for them to start crying "Nazi Germany! Concentration camps!!" over the treatment of immigrants. It must have just slipped their mind during the Obama administration.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Children placed with human traffickers under Obama's watch

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/us-placed-immigrant-children-with-traffickers-report-says.html

Abuses at a detention center which included being handcuffed, locked in solitary confinement and being physically abused leading to broken bones which started in 2015 under the Obama Administration

https://www.apnews.com/afc80e51b562462c89907b49ae624e79

A 2015 report that found detention centers in Texas providing unsafe, unsanitary and "widespread deplorable" conditions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

A wrongful death suit against the Obama administration over an immigrant who died in a detention center during his presidency.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/08/29/family-of-immigrant-detainee-sues-president-obama-government-for-wrongful-death/

An ACLU report just released report on cases of violence and abuse towards migrant children between 2009 and 2014.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

It's amazing how the liberal media decides when it's the right time for them to start crying "Nazi Germany! Concentration camps!!" over the treatment of immigrants. It must have just slipped their mind during the Obama administration.

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?
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darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.
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darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.

Where do you see the word outrage in his statement?

Try to keep up :)

Hasn't illegal immigration been on the decline for years? Seems like Trump is engaging in some fake news pandering to his disciples.
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darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

Should do the conservative thing and not even pretend to give a damn
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Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.

Where do you see the word outrage in his statement?

Try to keep up :)

He said Democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief right? Hes not saying the stories of children being in terrible conditions is phony, hes saying the stories of sadness and grief of Democrats about it are. Which is obvious, if they were actually sad about it, they wouldve done something about it when it happened under the Obama administration as DE linked.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.

Where do you see the word outrage in his statement?

Try to keep up :)

He said Democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief right? Hes not saying the stories of children being in terrible conditions is phony, hes saying the stories of sadness and grief of Democrats about it are. Which is obvious, if they were actually sad about it, they wouldve done something about it when it happened under the Obama administration as DE linked.

If that is what he meant to say, then he would have said "Democrats with their phony outrage over these stories.. etc".

But, for the sake of argument, let's say that he was trying to state Democrats concern is "fake". Is he (and you) stating that because a person didn't act in one situation, when they act in another similar situation they are "phony" and "fake"? Please clarify if this is the metric you are using, since what you claim as "obvious" doesn't seem to be shared by everybody.

Ruvan22 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So all this proves the stories of sadness and grief are fake? If anything you just further proved that they are true....

How does it prove that liberals care about these kids?

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.

Where do you see the word outrage in his statement?

Try to keep up :)

He said Democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief right? Hes not saying the stories of children being in terrible conditions is phony, hes saying the stories of sadness and grief of Democrats about it are. Which is obvious, if they were actually sad about it, they wouldve done something about it when it happened under the Obama administration as DE linked.

Is he (and you) stating that because a person didn't act in one situation, when they act in another similar situation they are "phony" and "fake"?Please clarify if this is the metric you are using, since what you claim as "obvious" doesn't seem to be shared by everybody.

No, Im not saying that. Not in any one random situation at least, this is a highly specific situation were discussing. Obviously it doesnt necessarily follow if a person didnt act in x situation means them acting in any similar x situation is disingenuous. However, given the situation is political, and given the reasonable assumption that there is a higher likelihood of speaking from the standpoint of partisan bias when it comes to political situations, its quite probable that it is the case theyre being disingenuous. This is especially so when theres already evidence of what they did in the past in a similar situation not that long ago, only that time their party was in a charge, what a coincidence. Obvious may have been the wrong word, but lets say reasonably likely given what happened in the past and given the political context.
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darkjedilink posted...

Antifar posted...

Think about all the effort Obama put into not being perceived as "soft" on immigration. Think about the good will it earned him from the right.

What 'effort?'

Dude literally signed an executive order giving some illegal immigrants a free pass.

I know this never cracked the right wing media, but Obama deported more people than any president before him.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

It doesn't prove or disprove it - but that wasn't Trump's statement. He stated the STORIES were phony.

No, he said the outrage was phony.

Where do you see the word outrage in his statement?

Try to keep up :)

He said Democrats tell their phony stories of sadness and grief right? Hes not saying the stories of children being in terrible conditions is phony, hes saying the stories of sadness and grief of Democrats about it are. Which is obvious, if they were actually sad about it, they wouldve done something about it when it happened under the Obama administration as DE linked.

Is he (and you) stating that because a person didn't act in one situation, when they act in another similar situation they are "phony" and "fake"?Please clarify if this is the metric you are using, since what you claim as "obvious" doesn't seem to be shared by everybody.

No, Im not saying that. Not in any one random situation at least, this is a highly specific situation were discussing. Obviously it doesnt necessarily follow if a person didnt act in x situation means them acting in any similar x situation is disingenuous. However, given the situation is political, and given the reasonable assumption that there is a higher likelihood of speaking from the standpoint of partisan bias when it comes to political situations, its quite probable that it is the case theyre being disingenuous. This is especially so when theres already evidence of what they did in the past in a similar situation not that long ago, only that time their party was in a charge, what a coincidence. Obvious may have been the wrong word, but lets say reasonably likely given what happened in the past and given the political context.

So restate your thesis - you believe that all Democrats don't care at all about immigrants? or that they some don't? or that all of them are "acting", and don't have any empathy for the immigrants currently?

And to continue with your metric, when a situation is political, it is reasonable to assume that democrats are falling sway to political bias? or everybody does? Be specific if you want to present a convincing argument.

Finally to the original point - Trump's statement, are you saying that he misspoke and meant to say "The outrage is phony"? Because grammatically, he is stating the stories are phony.

Ruvan22 posted...

So restate your thesis

Lol my thesis? Lmao do you think were on some academic journal or something? If I was gonna take the time to make an actual formal rigorous argument as opposed to just posting my opinions casually, I would have done that in a more serious setting than a social board on dying video game forum. What an odd way to frame what I posted, are you the kind of person that takes yourself a bit too seriously sometimes?

But to answer your questions:

you believe that all Democrats don't care at all about immigrants? or that they some don't? or that all of them are "acting", and don't have any empathy for the immigrants currently?

Its not so much the average Democrat I was referring to, but moreso the actual Democratic politicians that are being disingenuous, and obviously politicians are generally more likely to be disingenuous given their position. Also, the people Trump were referring to were Democratic politicians as far as I understood it, not your average Democrat voter. But yes, I also think theres quite a few regular Democrats that treats all this as merely a game of tribal politics - ignore the bad stuff your party does and harshly criticize the other party for doing the exact same thing in order to make them look bad. I dont feel my opinion all that unreasonable, I think plenty of people would say that a common sense opinion.

And to continue with your metric, when a situation is political, it is reasonable to assume that democrats are falling sway to political bias? or everybody does? Be specific if you want to present a convincing argument.

Everyone is more prone to political bias given the nature of politics. However, certain groups can be said to have a higher degree of ideological prejudice than other groups. This can be gauged by their past history such as whether they are consistent in their positions or whether they change their tune on certain issues when an opposing party is in power. Given their past history on a myriad of issues, especially for the Democratic politicians, Ive come surmise its quite reasonable theyre swayed by partisan politics.

Finally to the original point - Trump's statement, are you saying that he misspoke and meant to say "The outrage is phony"? Because grammatically, he is stating the stories are phony.

Think of it this way, if he didnt think the children werent in terrible conditions, why did he constantly try to pin this whole mess on Democrats from the very beginning? He obviously gets that part of it, he know thats not phony. Thats why I was saying hes referring to their outrage, more specifically the Democratic politicians (who he blames for this to begin with) as phony. In his mind, why would the Democratic politicians be outraged when he believes it was their law to begin with? Hence theyre phony. Does that make sense?
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genuinely curious where all these garbage posters come from
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I dont even know when Im trolling anymore man. Like sometimes Ill try to troll, and my post will make so much sense, so I gotta rethink if I was trolling >_>
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