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Hexenherz
06/19/18 10:28:13 PM
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https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2018/06/19/20700892/protesters-arent-leaving-a-portland-ice-office-until-trump-ditches-zero-tolerance-rule

A group of protesters have been camped out a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) building in south Portland since Sundayand they're not planning on moving until the Trump administration revokes its "zero tolerance" immigration policy that's been separating thousands of immigrant children from their families.

The idea to "Occupy ICE" followed a Father's Day rally and march outside the SW Macadam office building on Sunday. The event was organized by the local Democratic Socialists of America and Direct Action Alliance. According to protester Hanna Tashjian, that march wasn't enough.

"I live in this neighborhood," she says. "I dont want this in my neighborhood, I want it gone from the city, and the state, and the nation.

Tashjian is one of many protesters who've spent the last three days and nights in front of the ICE building. This afternoon, the group delayed a number of ICE cars from leaving the facilityresulting in at least one arrest. Protesters claim the building has several holding cells and is currently detaining immigrants.

The plan right now is to build," says Tashjian. "We want to create a presence and we hope this encourages people in other cities, other states, to do the same at their local ICE facility. To blockade, to eventually surround and shut down. That would be my longest of long-term plans.

The local ICE office has not returned the Mercury's calls for comment. (And the national ICE media line goes straight to voicemail.)

Protestors have several tents set up nearby, along with a portable bathroom and table of food. They've taped signs to the walls of building with phrases like "zero tolerance for ICE," "Abolish ICE," and "Don't be a KAPO, ICE=GESTAPO." One sign, pasted on a window near the building security guard, reads "End White Supremacy."

The protest has already inconvenienced ICE officers. Tashjian said her group kept ICE staff from leaving the facility last night for 4 hours. According to Tashjian, ICE staffers told protesters they were blocking officers from returning home to their families.

They were pretty cranky about it, she says. "The irony of them being detained indefinitely in a facility where they cant go home to their families was kind of lost on them.

The group's planning another organized protest against ICE for Sunday, June 24 at the same location.

We encourage the city of Portland to stop allowing ICE to be here," says a protester named General Cherry. "This is supposed to be a sanctuary city, but theyre not following the peoples wishes. Our tax dollars are going to this shit.
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A_Good_Boy
06/19/18 10:31:35 PM
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What kind of heartless animals block people from seeing their kids from up to 4 hours? Those protestors are scum.
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Hexenherz
06/19/18 10:31:53 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
What kind of heartless animals block people from seeing their kids from up to 4 hours? Those protestors are scum.

terrible people, animals!
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iPhone_7
06/19/18 10:35:18 PM
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womp womp
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 10:39:25 PM
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Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.
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Hexenherz
06/19/18 10:41:02 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.
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A_Good_Boy
06/19/18 10:43:36 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.

They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.
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marthsheretoo
06/19/18 10:47:54 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
They were pretty cranky about it, she says. "The irony of them being detained indefinitely in a facility where they cant go home to their families was kind of lost on them.


I wouldn't expect ICE to have the brainpower to understand things like irony tbh.
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TomNook20
06/19/18 10:49:36 PM
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They should just deport the city of Portland and grant amnesty to an equal number of illegal immigrants.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 10:52:50 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.


True but unless I'm mistaken that office isn't setting the order right? Not saying you can't do both but it really depends on the agents themselves.

idk, its real easy to say just don't work for the organization, I guess.
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Hexenherz
06/19/18 10:55:25 PM
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That office might not be specifically responsible for what's happening but they are an extension of that agency and they are a direct representation of that agency and its policies.

I'm just happy people are (peacefully) protesting to begin with tbh.
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06/19/18 10:56:15 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.

How dare you suggest such a thing
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Paper_Okami
06/19/18 10:57:01 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
What kind of heartless animals block people from seeing their kids from up to 4 hours? Those protestors are scum.

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QueenCarly
06/19/18 10:58:41 PM
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ICE employees deserve more than inconvenience.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 10:59:08 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
That office might not be specifically responsible for what's happening but they are an extension of that agency and they are a direct representation of that agency and its policies.

I'm just happy people are (peacefully) protesting to begin with tbh.


Ya I agree with that for sure. As long as it stays peaceful I'm not against it.

Shouldn't block the officers from getting home themselves though IMO. I'm sure the majority are just trying to get a paycheck.
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RE_expert44
06/19/18 10:59:32 PM
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People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished
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Hexenherz
06/19/18 11:00:04 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished

Eh it's fair.
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QueenCarly
06/19/18 11:00:04 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do
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Fuparulez
06/19/18 11:01:24 PM
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Illegal alien foreign nationals: "They're mostly good people even though we have no documentation to back that! Let them in with no background checks!'

Legal American gun owners: "They're potential murderers, even though we have documentation proving they've never broken the law, we need stricter gun control!"

You guys on the left still haven't figured out that siding with illegal foreign nationals over Americans isn't going to work, have you. You people are going to cry even harder in November 2018 than you did in November 2016. Eventually, you'll figure out that your way of thinking is just... silly.
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RE_expert44
06/19/18 11:02:25 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont
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s0nicfan
06/19/18 11:05:44 PM
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Portland ICE workers aren't responsible for what's happening at the border. This is misguided at best, malicious at worst. Starbucks are gender segregated in Saudi Arabia... would I be justified in preventing a barista in NYC from getting into their car because they work for the same company? Should I form a human wall outside of an Apple store because of how they treat workers in China?

Protest the people actually doing this. Protest your congressmen and senators. Protest the people with the power to change this. This doesn't fix anything. It doesn't make those ICE agents more compassionate. It doesn't fix the law or get these people home. It's just misguided rage.
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QueenCarly
06/19/18 11:05:47 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont


They're enforcing racially motivated policies that are leaving several people dead and thousands of children in what is little better than prisons.

They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 11:07:27 PM
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Must be really fucking annoying to just be trying to make a living, only to be met with a mob of angry people that don't think you belong there.
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The Great Muta 22
06/19/18 11:07:47 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Portland ICE workers aren't responsible for what's happening at the border. This is misguided at best, malicious at worst. Starbucks are gender segregated in Saudi Arabia... would I be justified in preventing a barista in NYC from getting into their car because they work for the same company? Should I form a human wall outside of an Apple store because of how they treat workers in China?

Protest the people actually doing this. Protest your congressmen and senators. Protest the people with the power to change this. This doesn't fix anything. It doesn't make those ICE agents more compassionate. It doesn't fix the law or get these people home. It's just misguided rage.


You'd bitch about people doing that though, so what's the difference?
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Guerrilla Soldier
06/19/18 11:08:41 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

are you implying that the only actual citizens of this country are white?
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The Great Muta 22
06/19/18 11:09:16 PM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
QueenCarly posted...
They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

are you implying that the only actual citizens of this country are white?


He clearly isn't, despite your silly gotcha question
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s0nicfan
06/19/18 11:09:27 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Portland ICE workers aren't responsible for what's happening at the border. This is misguided at best, malicious at worst. Starbucks are gender segregated in Saudi Arabia... would I be justified in preventing a barista in NYC from getting into their car because they work for the same company? Should I form a human wall outside of an Apple store because of how they treat workers in China?

Protest the people actually doing this. Protest your congressmen and senators. Protest the people with the power to change this. This doesn't fix anything. It doesn't make those ICE agents more compassionate. It doesn't fix the law or get these people home. It's just misguided rage.


You'd bitch about people doing that though, so what's the difference?


No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with).
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RE_expert44
06/19/18 11:09:35 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont


They're enforcing racially motivated policies that are leaving several people dead and thousands of children in what is little better than prisons.

They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

So what you're saying is, you're upset that they are going after a specific group of criminals?
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 11:10:58 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Portland ICE workers aren't responsible for what's happening at the border. This is misguided at best, malicious at worst. Starbucks are gender segregated in Saudi Arabia... would I be justified in preventing a barista in NYC from getting into their car because they work for the same company? Should I form a human wall outside of an Apple store because of how they treat workers in China?

Protest the people actually doing this. Protest your congressmen and senators. Protest the people with the power to change this. This doesn't fix anything. It doesn't make those ICE agents more compassionate. It doesn't fix the law or get these people home. It's just misguided rage.


You'd bitch about people doing that though, so what's the difference?


But that's what I said and I wouldn't bitch about people doing that. Hell I'd support them.

The difference is one would garner far more support as well as adversely impact the actual people making decisions.
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QueenCarly
06/19/18 11:13:29 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont


They're enforcing racially motivated policies that are leaving several people dead and thousands of children in what is little better than prisons.

They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

So what you're saying is, you're upset that they are going after a specific group of criminals?


To be criminals you need to have committed a crime.
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A_Good_Boy
06/19/18 11:14:17 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
Illegal alien foreign nationals: "They're mostly good people even though we have no documentation to back that! Let them in with no background checks!'

Legal American gun owners: "They're potential murderers, even though we have documentation proving they've never broken the law, we need stricter gun control!"

You guys on the left still haven't figured out that siding with illegal foreign nationals over Americans isn't going to work, have you. You people are going to cry even harder in November 2018 than you did in November 2016. Eventually, you'll figure out that your way of thinking is just... silly.

2A, gun sucking, fanatics on the topic of gun control:
"I need my guns to combat government tyranny. The government will turn rotten one day and I need to be ready!"

2A, gun sucking, fanatics on the topic of placing children in internment camps:
"Eh, the government said they broke the law so fuck em."
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RE_expert44
06/19/18 11:15:10 PM
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QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont


They're enforcing racially motivated policies that are leaving several people dead and thousands of children in what is little better than prisons.

They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

So what you're saying is, you're upset that they are going after a specific group of criminals?


To be criminals you need to have committed a crime.

Do you think none of the parents have done anything worthy of deprotation?
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Bloodychess
06/19/18 11:16:28 PM
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No surprise the Portland PD would lay down and do nothing
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QueenCarly
06/19/18 11:17:43 PM
#34:


RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
QueenCarly posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
People are acting like ice workers are doing something wrong and they deserve to be punished


they are and they do

No. No they dont


They're enforcing racially motivated policies that are leaving several people dead and thousands of children in what is little better than prisons.

They are agents of white supremacy and deserve all ill will they receive.

So what you're saying is, you're upset that they are going after a specific group of criminals?


To be criminals you need to have committed a crime.

Do you think none of the parents have done anything worthy of deprotation?


Maybe they have. I'm not talking about them. This isn't about them. It is about every other one that is being targeted by the scum of ICE and this administration.
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The Great Muta 22
06/19/18 11:17:53 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
No surprise the Portland PD would lay down and do nothing


What should they have done, round up and lock up the legal protesters?
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The Great Muta 22
06/19/18 11:19:35 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do
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masterpug53
06/19/18 11:19:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.

They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.


"Protesting is patriotic, so long as it doesn't inconvenience me personally in any way, or promote any ideas that I don't personally disagree with, or show any conceivable disrespect to the greatest and most perfect country on earth, or rock the proverbial boat in any general or specific sense."
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s0nicfan
06/19/18 11:22:04 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.
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The Great Muta 22
06/19/18 11:24:10 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.


Ok.
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Bloodychess
06/19/18 11:25:06 PM
#40:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Bloodychess posted...
No surprise the Portland PD would lay down and do nothing


What should they have done, round up and lock up the legal protesters?

I mean, if you are legally allowed to impede traffic, then i guess not
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s0nicfan
06/19/18 11:25:57 PM
#41:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.


Ok.


Zeeak ALSO agrees with me, and he actively disagrees with me on many if not most political perspectives, so even if you want to just arbitrarily blow me off because you can't address my point, your character assassination doesn't apply to his point (which is the same as mine).
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metralo
06/19/18 11:27:16 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
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Peter_Giffyndor
06/19/18 11:28:54 PM
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What a bunch of cucks. Great plan, terrorize and hold government agents hostage. Enjoy Trump winning 2020 too, geniuses.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 11:29:36 PM
#44:


masterpug53 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.

They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.


"Protesting is patriotic, so long as it doesn't inconvenience me personally in any way, or promote any ideas that I don't personally disagree with, or show any conceivable disrespect to the greatest and most perfect country on earth, or rock the proverbial boat in any general or specific sense."


I'm still not getting the whole point of this chain of comments. I was one of the people who was the most vocal on her about kneeling not only being a good form of protesting but one that should be supported.

So what the hell does this have to do with what me and Hex were talking about.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 11:33:05 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.


Ok.


Zeeak ALSO agrees with me, and he actively disagrees with me on many if not most political perspectives, so even if you want to just arbitrarily blow me off because you can't address my point, your character assassination doesn't apply to his point (which is the same as mine).


I have to reinforce this. I disagree more often than not with Sonic and those making similar points while finding myself on the side of people like Antifar, The Great Muta, bulletwing, Bio1590, etc, etc. I just think the discussion needs to be had on the merit of the points being put forward.

I think a lot of this is spiraling in a way that won't be favorable to any of the parties involved.
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s0nicfan
06/19/18 11:48:00 PM
#47:


Zeeak4444 posted...
just think the discussion needs to be had on the merit of the points being put forward.


That's because you're a reasonable and respectable person that is willing to listen and engage with ideas, not people, which is like a golden unicorn that shits bitcoins.
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masterpug53
06/19/18 11:56:38 PM
#48:


Zeeak4444 posted...
masterpug53 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.

They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.


"Protesting is patriotic, so long as it doesn't inconvenience me personally in any way, or promote any ideas that I don't personally disagree with, or show any conceivable disrespect to the greatest and most perfect country on earth, or rock the proverbial boat in any general or specific sense."


I'm still not getting the whole point of this chain of comments. I was one of the people who was the most vocal on her about kneeling not only being a good form of protesting but one that should be supported.

So what the hell does this have to do with what me and Hex were talking about.


It doesn't. I just felt like tacking it on to a vaguely relevant thread of discussion rather than just dumping it out in the open. I apologize that it bothered you.
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The Great Muta 22
06/20/18 12:02:57 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
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No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.


Ok.


Zeeak ALSO agrees with me, and he actively disagrees with me on many if not most political perspectives, so even if you want to just arbitrarily blow me off because you can't address my point, your character assassination doesn't apply to his point (which is the same as mine).


I could address your point, I choose not to. Because ultimately I don't respectr your positions on these issues, so what's the point? Why pretend? You're not some better person because you consider yourself as someone willing to reach out, as you've been mostly lock step in support of Trump and everything he's pushed since the moment he came down the escalator. You don't want compromise, you want compliance
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Zeeak4444
06/20/18 12:03:47 AM
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Pretty petty and stupid. Not only will this have little to no effect but the people who actually make the decisions probably don't give two shits about the officers being inconvienced.

Go do that shit to actual legislators or the damn mayor if they're gonna do it to anyone.

Protesting the organization that's actually perpetrating this policy is petty and stupid? lol

What you're suggesting is also great, but I support this.

It's not like those protests against police brutality that were in... Whole Foods.

They could protest by kneeling during the national anthem, but I hear that's pretty distasteful too.


"Protesting is patriotic, so long as it doesn't inconvenience me personally in any way, or promote any ideas that I don't personally disagree with, or show any conceivable disrespect to the greatest and most perfect country on earth, or rock the proverbial boat in any general or specific sense."


I'm still not getting the whole point of this chain of comments. I was one of the people who was the most vocal on her about kneeling not only being a good form of protesting but one that should be supported.

So what the hell does this have to do with what me and Hex were talking about.


It doesn't. I just felt like tacking it on to a vaguely relevant thread of discussion rather than just dumping it out in the open. I apologize that it bothered you.


Nah just more confused me more than anything. That makes a lot more sense though lol.
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s0nicfan
06/20/18 12:10:30 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
No I wouldn't? You're being no better than the people you bitch about when they don't want people to kneel to protest (which by the way I don't actually take issue with)


I don't consider your judgement of character as indicative of who I want to be, so save your morality for those that do


If who you want to be is someone that settles arguments by going "you'd be the kind of person to do X" rather than agree or disagree with the actual point I made, then you're free to be a shitty person, whether you "take my morality" or not.


Ok.


Zeeak ALSO agrees with me, and he actively disagrees with me on many if not most political perspectives, so even if you want to just arbitrarily blow me off because you can't address my point, your character assassination doesn't apply to his point (which is the same as mine).


I could address your point, I choose not to. Because ultimately I don't respectr your positions on these issues, so what's the point? Why pretend? You're not some better person because you consider yourself as someone willing to reach out, as you've been mostly lock step in support of Trump and everything he's pushed since the moment he came down the escalator. You don't want compromise, you want compliance


Then address Zeeak's point. I'll give you credit for at least being honest enough to admit you don't actually give a shit about the content of what I'm saying. That doesn't make you the reasonable one here, though.
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