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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 12:41:47 PM
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Fight Club
No Country For Old Men
The Prestige
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06/19/18 9:16:44 PM
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Twilight
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 9:17:43 PM
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Rick and Morty, but only to a small percentage of the fans who can't recognize it's just a clever comedy show with a sociopathic hero who likes to lampoon science fiction tropes.
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fan357
06/19/18 9:18:10 PM
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The Dream one.
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Letron_James
06/19/18 9:18:21 PM
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Inception
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06/19/18 9:18:40 PM
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 9:29:23 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Rick and Morty, but only to a small percentage of the fans who can't recognize it's just a clever comedy show with a sociopathic hero who likes to lampoon science fiction tropes.

OMG THIS
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LordMarshal
06/19/18 9:34:49 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Fight Club
No Country For Old Men
The Prestige


If you mean its not really that complicated then yes...
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Kitt
06/19/18 9:36:08 PM
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COVxy
06/19/18 9:36:22 PM
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Primer.

Just a bunch of guys building a box in their garage. Boooo-rrrring.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 9:38:37 PM
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LordMarshal posted...
If you mean its not really that complicated then yes...

No. Some people make it more than it is. I saw some youtuber tried to explain the layers of this money and I did nothing but cringe the whole time.
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Joelypoely
06/19/18 9:55:43 PM
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COVxy posted...
Primer.

Just a bunch of guys building a box in their garage. Boooo-rrrring.


I have to disagree with this one. Even avid Rick and Morty fans struggle to work out what's really going on in this film.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 9:57:45 PM
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I want you to expand on the prestige as well.

There's a fuckton of depth to that movie. Do you mean it's misguided in the ways people view said depth, that they add more depth to it than there is, or are you arguing there's not much depth to it.
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LordMarshal
06/19/18 10:11:23 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
I want you to expand on the prestige as well.

There's a fuckton of depth to that movie. Do you mean it's misguided in the ways people view said depth, that they add more depth to it than there is, or are you arguing there's not much depth to it.


Nope. 2 guys and how they use the same thing. Its pretty simple.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 10:36:37 PM
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And both of them were being manipulated by that old geezer.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 10:44:00 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
And both of them were being manipulated by that old geezer.


No, not even close.

LordMarshal posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
I want you to expand on the prestige as well.

There's a fuckton of depth to that movie. Do you mean it's misguided in the ways people view said depth, that they add more depth to it than there is, or are you arguing there's not much depth to it.


Nope. 2 guys and how they use the same thing. Its pretty simple.


So like you haven't seen the movie or what? What's the same thing they use? The same trick?
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 10:46:25 PM
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Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 10:48:58 PM
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.
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Reis
06/19/18 10:49:56 PM
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Star Wars
MCU movies
Pro Wrestling shit
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 10:51:02 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


I wouldn't be suprised if most 'fans' even knew what they watched lol
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DevsBro
06/19/18 10:56:58 PM
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I do this with basically everything. It's like my favorite hobby.

People always respond "I don't think that was intentional" and I'm like "so?"
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 11:07:05 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Veggeta_MAX posted...
And both of them were being manipulated by that old geezer.


No, not even close.

LordMarshal posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
I want you to expand on the prestige as well.

There's a fuckton of depth to that movie. Do you mean it's misguided in the ways people view said depth, that they add more depth to it than there is, or are you arguing there's not much depth to it.


Nope. 2 guys and how they use the same thing. Its pretty simple.


So like you haven't seen the movie or what? What's the same thing they use? The same trick?

You're doing it now. Making the movie way more than it should be.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 11:08:26 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Veggeta_MAX posted...
And both of them were being manipulated by that old geezer.


No, not even close.

LordMarshal posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
I want you to expand on the prestige as well.

There's a fuckton of depth to that movie. Do you mean it's misguided in the ways people view said depth, that they add more depth to it than there is, or are you arguing there's not much depth to it.


Nope. 2 guys and how they use the same thing. Its pretty simple.


So like you haven't seen the movie or what? What's the same thing they use? The same trick?

You're doing it now. Making the movie way more than it should be.


I'm trying to gauge if you two even saw the damn movie.

Neither was manipulated by an old geezer. It just flat out never happened.

Neither used the same thing either. The trick wasn't even preformed in the same manner. I haven't even mentioned anything about depth period.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 11:08:34 PM
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though

The movie was nothing more than an anti-social movie pandering to bitter teenage angst. There's a reason if you watch it now it's fucking cringey.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 11:09:46 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Neither was manipulated by an old geezer.

He was telling them if they wanted to get far in their career they had to get their hands dirty. I guess you must have missed that part.
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 11:10:34 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though

The movie was nothing more than an anti-social movie pandering to bitter teenage angst. There's a reason if you watch it now it's fucking cringey.


Know, you are describing catcher in the rye. Dunno how you mixed them up
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Darmik
06/19/18 11:12:44 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.
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Zeeak4444
06/19/18 11:13:10 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Neither was manipulated by an old geezer.

He was telling them if they wanted to get far in their career they had to get their hands dirty. I guess you must have missed that part.


No, he told one person that. He also parted ways once the same person took that statement way too far while trying to discourage him from doing it.

He only ever said that to The Great Anton. Like I said, im pretty sure you've seen the movie like once and don't remember much about it at all.

You sure as hell don't understand the themes in the movie.
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 11:15:52 PM
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Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 11:16:28 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
No, he told one person that. He also parted ways once the same person took that statement way too far while trying to discourage him from doing it.

Right, so he lead them astray and then when they went too far he backed out like a bitch. There is no such thing as a bad student, only a bad teacher.
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 11:17:11 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.


Id say Walt was justified up until the point he decided murder was ok. Lol
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Veggeta_MAX
06/19/18 11:17:15 PM
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Nope I've seen it enough to know it's not as layered as you're trying to make it. It's a pretty simple movie.
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Frolex
06/19/18 11:18:50 PM
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Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


*cough cough* redpill *cough*
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 11:20:12 PM
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.


Id say Walt was justified up until the point he decided murder was ok. Lol


Before that, he willingly put his entire family at risk despite having a way out, just to stroke his ego. There were literally cartel hitmen sitting in his home waiting to butcher his entire family because he refused to check his ego. I wouldn't say that is justified.
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Darmik
06/19/18 11:22:55 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.


Id say Walt was justified up until the point he decided murder was ok. Lol


Before that, he willingly put his entire family at risk despite having a way out, just to stroke his ego. There were literally cartel hitmen sitting in his home waiting to butcher his entire family because he refused to check his ego. I wouldn't say that is justified.


And he had rich friends who offered to pay for his surgery.

Don Draper in Mad Men is another example of a terrible person who is idolized because people think he's cool.
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 11:31:10 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.


Id say Walt was justified up until the point he decided murder was ok. Lol


Before that, he willingly put his entire family at risk despite having a way out, just to stroke his ego. There were literally cartel hitmen sitting in his home waiting to butcher his entire family because he refused to check his ego. I wouldn't say that is justified.


Walt wasn't even involved with the cartel when he first murdered. Did you forget that guy in the basement he choked out? The guy that took the piece of plate to try and kill Walt? Had a bike lock on his neck to a pole?
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Dash_Harber
06/19/18 11:33:53 PM
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Darmik posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


It's amazing how many movies and TV shows this happens to.


Yeah, Breaking Bad was a particularly jarring example for me. People legitimately felt like Walt was justified in his actions. It got to the point that even though he blatantly admitted it was all for his own ego in the final episode, they just ignored that and tried to blame Skylar. The Sopranos is another great example. Tony is a fucking monster.

I think an interesting case was The Shield, where the show never even attempted to make it seem like the crew had a good point, and instead made it a guilty pleasure to root for Vic and his crew to survive, if only to see them do more heinous things on a weekly basis.


Id say Walt was justified up until the point he decided murder was ok. Lol


Before that, he willingly put his entire family at risk despite having a way out, just to stroke his ego. There were literally cartel hitmen sitting in his home waiting to butcher his entire family because he refused to check his ego. I wouldn't say that is justified.


Walt wasn't even involved with the cartel when he first murdered. Did you forget that guy in the basement he choked out? The guy that took the piece of plate to try and kill Walt? Had a bike lock on his neck to a pole?


Oh yeah, you're right, my bad. I thought you were talking about later. I get why you'd feel that way, but given the later revelations about his motivations (and the fact that he also had an out at that point with Grey Matter), it's retrospectively still a bit in question.
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue
06/19/18 11:53:47 PM
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Oh yeah lol,once he was full out with Gus, he was on his own lol
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LordMarshal
06/20/18 8:06:12 AM
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One kills tons of clones for a trick while the other lived side by side with a single clone for the trick. Simple. Damn.

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thelovefist
06/20/18 8:11:45 AM
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Breaking Bad
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COVxy
06/20/18 8:12:00 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...
Fight club is pretty deep though. But to answer the question: star wars


I feel like most 'fans' tend to misinterpret the message, though. They worship Tyler Durden as if the whole thing wasn't a cautionary tale about living at either extreme.


Idk many 'fans' that misinterpreted it like this since middle school, tbh.

The author and his books are fairly clear with their messaging, and most 'fans' are people who are into his books.
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50Blessings
06/20/18 8:15:47 AM
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Explain this for no country for old men. That seemed super simple to me
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Veggeta_MAX
06/20/18 8:58:37 AM
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50Blessings posted...
Explain this for no country for old men. That seemed super simple to me

What's the significance of Sheriff Bell's two dreams at the end?

The two dreams can be seen as expressions of what Bell is struggling with throughout the course of the story and the change of perspective that allows him to come to terms with his struggle. In the first dream he says his father entrusted him with some money, but he (Bell) lost it. This can be seen as Bell feeling as if he was entrusted with a responsibility and has failed to uphold it. His failure to keep and protect something valuable like the money is analogous to his failure as a law enforcement officer to protect people like Moss and Carla Jean, other civilians, and to make a significant impact on crime in general. This dream explains what is troubling him and that he feels or is afraid that he may be a failure. Because his father is mentioned explicitly it is likely that he may feel he has failed his father, who was also a law-man, on a personal level.

The second dream is a reconciliation of the problem from the first. In the second dream, he says he and his father were riding through the mountains in the old times. His father rode up ahead of him and went on into the cold and dark with some fire. Bell said that he knew when he got to where his father was going, his father would be there waiting for him. This indicates that Bell realizes that his father is waiting for him nonetheless, whether he is a failure or not. The dark and cold would represent the unknowable near future and eventual certain death, and the fire represents comfort, protection and hope. His father carries it onward, and Bell knows he will be waiting with it for him when he joins him in the future. The dream seems to be an encouragement to continue in his dangerous profession, rather than retire. The second dream also indicates that Bell has come to a realization, at least on some level, of the concept that Ellis (Barry Corbin) spoke of in their earlier conversation. Ellis says, Whatcha got ain't nothin' new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity/ ...meaning that Bell can not expect himself to succeed at the standard he has held himself to, and so it is unreasonable to do so. Bell felt compelled to continue on past a reasonable age and into unmanageable situations in order to uphold the responsibility he felt had been passed down to him. When he realizes he can't do this he feels overmatched and quits by retiring. He had tasked himself with the impossible (in an attempt to live up to his father, or previous law-men, etc.) and blamed himself for failing to succeed. Bell may not realize it consciously yet, but the dreams show that on some level after his talk with Ellis he realized that the world had always been this way and always would be (dark and cold) but that there are sources of refuge and comfort waiting for him.

And then he wakes up.

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DarkChozoGhost
06/20/18 9:07:41 AM
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SpinKirby posted...
Majora's Mask

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50Blessings
06/20/18 9:08:58 AM
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1. That's the ending not the plot.

2. It's absolutely correct so I hope you're just talking about how overly explained it was.
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Veggeta_MAX
06/20/18 9:09:31 AM
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Do you guys now understand what I meant when I say people over analyze shit?
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MedzXVIII
06/20/18 9:09:51 AM
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SpinKirby posted...
Majora's Mask

Good one
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Veggeta_MAX
06/20/18 9:10:23 AM
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50Blessings posted...
2. It's absolutely correct so I hope you're just talking about how overly explained it was.

Read my topic title again kind sir.
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50Blessings
06/20/18 9:12:58 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
50Blessings posted...
2. It's absolutely correct so I hope you're just talking about how overly explained it was.

Read my topic title again kind sir.


Yeah that's still the ending and not the plot
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